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| Started by | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| First post | 2014-07-01 23:22 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-07-04 19:10 +1200 |
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Old Mac, New Speed Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-01 23:22 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 04:20 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-07-02 08:27 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 13:30 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-07-04 19:07 +1200
Re: Old Mac, New Speed (OT) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-04 06:28 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 14:08 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-07-05 08:09 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-07-04 12:34 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed (OT) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-04 17:03 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-07-05 08:17 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-05 12:10 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-07-05 18:27 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-06 01:37 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-07-06 07:59 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-06 14:00 +0100
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-06 06:50 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-07-07 10:40 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-07 07:52 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-07-06 11:24 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-02 09:41 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 13:48 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-04 07:21 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-02 09:39 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2014-07-03 21:09 -0600
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-04 06:29 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-07-04 06:44 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-04 07:07 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 16:04 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-07-04 21:42 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-04 14:08 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-07-10 17:21 +1000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:27 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-07-10 17:17 +1000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:26 +0000
Re: Old Mac, New Speed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-10 12:30 -0400
Re: Old Mac, New Speed Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-10 10:30 -0700
Re: Old Mac, New Speed jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-07-04 19:10 +1200
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-07-02 09:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <daudnW_1ud5hlinOnZ2dnUVZ_hIAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61677 |
On 2014.07.02, 00:20 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-07-02, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Holy hard drive, Batman!
>>
>> The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago.
>> This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me.
>>
>> I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I
>> decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon.
>>
>> I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new
>> SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as
>> I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far
>> exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro,
>> and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run
>> much faster than I would have dared hope.
>>
>> Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're
>> looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable.
>
> Well, yes, upgrading from a traditional spindle hard drive to a solid
> state drive will dramatically increase the general speed of any
> computer.
Perhaps a hearty cheer for him giving new life, speed and purpose to the
computer would be more in order?
"Reduce, Reuse, Repair, Recycle".
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-02 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c1igsjFj9msU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61693 |
On 2014-07-02, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.07.02, 00:20 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2014-07-02, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: >>> Holy hard drive, Batman! >>> >>> The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. >>> This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. >>> >>> I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I >>> decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. >>> >>> I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new >>> SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as >>> I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far >>> exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, >>> and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run >>> much faster than I would have dared hope. >>> >>> Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're >>> looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. >> >> Well, yes, upgrading from a traditional spindle hard drive to a solid >> state drive will dramatically increase the general speed of any >> computer. > > Perhaps a hearty cheer for him giving new life, speed and purpose to the > computer would be more in order? > > "Reduce, Reuse, Repair, Recycle". > ===== ====== I'm pleased he is getting more life out of his computer by upgrading from a HD to an SSD. Good enough? : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 07:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1LadneY52oHWEyvOnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61694 |
On 2014.07.02, 09:48 , Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2014-07-02, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >> On 2014.07.02, 00:20 , Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2014-07-02, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: >>>> Holy hard drive, Batman! >>>> >>>> The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. >>>> This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. >>>> >>>> I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I >>>> decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. >>>> >>>> I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new >>>> SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as >>>> I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far >>>> exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, >>>> and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run >>>> much faster than I would have dared hope. >>>> >>>> Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're >>>> looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. >>> >>> Well, yes, upgrading from a traditional spindle hard drive to a solid >>> state drive will dramatically increase the general speed of any >>> computer. >> >> Perhaps a hearty cheer for him giving new life, speed and purpose to the >> computer would be more in order? >> >> "Reduce, Reuse, Repair, Recycle". >> ===== ====== > > I'm pleased he is getting more life out of his computer by upgrading > from a HD to an SSD. Good enough? : ) Passable. Perhaps I should add "revamp" to the "R"s above to cover boosting the performance of a computer by replacing parts for higher performance parts. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-07-02 09:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <daudnWz1ud7ilinOnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61674 |
On 2014.07.01, 23:22 , Davoud wrote: > Holy hard drive, Batman! > > The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. > This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. > > I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I > decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. > > I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new > SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as > I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far > exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, > and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run > much faster than I would have dared hope. > > Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're > looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. It was one option for my 2007 iMac (24") but I also needed faster processing. 27" iMac 2012 i7 was bought. The 2007 iMac? Sold for just under $1000 last year which offset the cost of the new iMac by a good stretch. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 21:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <replytome-93ABEE.21090703072014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #61674 |
In article <010720142322387235%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Holy hard drive, Batman! > > The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. > This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. > > I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I > decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. > > I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new > SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as > I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far > exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, > and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run > much faster than I would have dared hope. > > Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're > looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e -- Good judgment results from experience, and experience results from bad judgment.
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 06:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <_LudnQGudpmkMSvOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #61730 |
On 7/3/2014 8:09 PM PT, Suze typed:
> Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration
> the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space,
> which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics
> programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger
> contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e
Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs?
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 06:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-B48B9F.06440304072014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61737 |
In article <_LudnQGudpmkMSvOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > On 7/3/2014 8:09 PM PT, Suze typed: > > Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration > > the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, > > which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics > > programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger > > contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e > > Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs? They do, but not that an older version of the OS will use effectively. As it is, Mac OS doesn't properly delete SSD files which is a performance hit for non-Apple SSDs. You can override this with a 3rd party utility called Trim Enabler. I don't think there's anything equivalent for a hybrid drive. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 07:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <JcCdneAQ6peWKCvOnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #61738 |
On 7/4/2014 6:44 AM PT, Michael Vilain typed:
>> Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs?
>
> They do, but not that an older version of the OS will use effectively.
>
> As it is, Mac OS doesn't properly delete SSD files which is a
> performance hit for non-Apple SSDs. You can override this with a 3rd
> party utility called Trim Enabler. I don't think there's anything
> equivalent for a hybrid drive.
Interesting and thanks. :)
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 16:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c1o1l6Foii9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61738 |
On 2014-07-04, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <_LudnQGudpmkMSvOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, > Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > >> On 7/3/2014 8:09 PM PT, Suze typed: >> > Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration >> > the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, >> > which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics >> > programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger >> > contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e >> >> Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs? > > They do, but not that an older version of the OS will use effectively. > > As it is, Mac OS doesn't properly delete SSD files which is a > performance hit for non-Apple SSDs. That's very outdated information. Many mainstream SSD manufacturers have evolved their design to include garbage collection and optimizations that do not require TRIM. Enabling TRIM on such SSDs actually *increases* wear on the drive, because it causes data to be moved around unnecessarily. Also, keep in mind that TRIM is an ATA command that cannot be sent to SSDs connected with Thunderbolt, Firewire, USB, or PCIe (as in new Mac Pro models). In those situations, enabling TRIM is effectively useless anyway, and as I said, manufacturers have implemented other ways of doing garbage collection and optimization that do not depend on the TRIM command. > You can override this with a 3rd party utility called Trim Enabler. I > don't think there's anything equivalent for a hybrid drive. Do so at your own risk. Best of luck with that. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 21:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-D793BF.21423204072014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61741 |
In article <c1o1l6Foii9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-07-04, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > In article <_LudnQGudpmkMSvOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, > > Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > > > >> On 7/3/2014 8:09 PM PT, Suze typed: > >> > Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration > >> > the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, > >> > which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics > >> > programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger > >> > contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e > >> > >> Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs? > > > > They do, but not that an older version of the OS will use effectively. > > > > As it is, Mac OS doesn't properly delete SSD files which is a > > performance hit for non-Apple SSDs. > > That's very outdated information. > > Many mainstream SSD manufacturers have evolved their design to include > garbage collection and optimizations that do not require TRIM. Enabling > TRIM on such SSDs actually *increases* wear on the drive, because it > causes data to be moved around unnecessarily. Also, keep in mind that > TRIM is an ATA command that cannot be sent to SSDs connected with > Thunderbolt, Firewire, USB, or PCIe (as in new Mac Pro models). In those > situations, enabling TRIM is effectively useless anyway, and as I said, > manufacturers have implemented other ways of doing garbage collection > and optimization that do not depend on the TRIM command. > > > You can override this with a 3rd party utility called Trim Enabler. I > > don't think there's anything equivalent for a hybrid drive. > > Do so at your own risk. Best of luck with that. I've had a CRUCIAL SSD for a couple years now. It makes my MacPro running 10.8.5 zippier and I notice the difference when I boot off the original 640GB drive into 10.6.8. The SSDs we use on production servers at work are just plug and play, even with Fedora 17 which is slightly over 2 years old. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 14:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlrddas.16oo.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #61737 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> was all, like: --> Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:29:29 -0700 <_LudnQGudpmkMSvOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> > On 7/3/2014 8:09 PM PT, Suze typed: >> Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration >> the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, >> which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics >> programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger >> contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e > Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs? Seagate had the "Momentus" drives. I bought a 500GB one for a laptop. The results were good initially, but it quickly was just another hard drive. Any speed benefits seemed to evaporate very quickly. The trouble with a hybrid is you really need to manage what goes on the fast part of the disc. Apple fusion drives (a spinning disc and an SSD bonded into a logical volume) is a lot better, but still falls far short of a true SSD. My next iMac is going to have a large SSD in it. I think I'm done booting off a spinning disc. -- He wasn't good or evil or cruel or extreme in any way but one, which was that he had elevated greyness to the status of a fine art and cultivated a mind that was as bleak and pitiless and logical as the slopes of Hell.
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| From | Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 17:21 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <hlfsr91idjfiss1cbhkg861le326rdggqa@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61740 |
On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 14:08:28 +0000 (UTC), Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >Okay, so one time? In band camp? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> was all, like: > --> Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:29:29 -0700 <_LudnQGudpmkMSvOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> >> On 7/3/2014 8:09 PM PT, Suze typed: >>> Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration >>> the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, >>> which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics >>> programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger >>> contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e > >> Don't they sell hybird drives that combine both HDDs and SSDs? > >Seagate had the "Momentus" drives. I bought a 500GB one for a laptop. >The results were good initially, but it quickly was just another hard >drive. Any speed benefits seemed to evaporate very quickly. > >The trouble with a hybrid is you really need to manage what goes on the >fast part of the disc. > >Apple fusion drives (a spinning disc and an SSD bonded into a logical >volume) is a lot better, but still falls far short of a true SSD. > >My next iMac is going to have a large SSD in it. I think I'm done >booting off a spinning disc. Just be aware you will need to accept much slower write speeds and having to replace your SSD frequently. Make plenty of backups! -- Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. -Steven Weinberg
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 14:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c27m6dF2ghiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62136 |
On 2014-07-10, Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote: >> >>Seagate had the "Momentus" drives. I bought a 500GB one for a laptop. >>The results were good initially, but it quickly was just another hard >>drive. Any speed benefits seemed to evaporate very quickly. >> >>The trouble with a hybrid is you really need to manage what goes on the >>fast part of the disc. >> >>Apple fusion drives (a spinning disc and an SSD bonded into a logical >>volume) is a lot better, but still falls far short of a true SSD. >> >>My next iMac is going to have a large SSD in it. I think I'm done >>booting off a spinning disc. > > Just be aware you will need to accept much slower write speeds and > having to replace your SSD frequently. No more frequently than a spindle hard drive, no. > Make plenty of backups! You should do that regardless of the type of drive you use. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 17:17 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <48fsr9do5vjo59b8234cgsfhredg74sq0k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61730 |
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 21:09:07 -0600, Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> wrote: >In article <010720142322387235%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> >wrote: > >> Holy hard drive, Batman! >> >> The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. >> This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. >> >> I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I >> decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. >> >> I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new >> SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as >> I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far >> exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, >> and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run >> much faster than I would have dared hope. >> >> Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're >> looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. > >Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration >the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, >which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics >programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger >contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e Write speed to SSD is very much slower than to a hard drive. The slower write speed and the fact that SSDs wear out is why they are not used in servers. You might want to investigate the experiment to recover worn out SSDs using high temperatures. -- Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. -Steven Weinberg
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c27m4uF2ghiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62135 |
On 2014-07-10, Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote: > > Write speed to SSD is very much slower than to a hard drive. I get plenty fast reads and writes from mine: With compression: Read: 556MB/s Write: 523MB/s Without compression: Read: 208MB/s Write: 235MB/s > The slower write speed and the fact that SSDs wear out is why they > are not used in servers. Of course SSDs are used for various things in various types of server scenarios. Here's a recent write-up from AnandTech about server grade SSD performance and longevity: <http://www.anandtech.com/show/5518/a-look-at-enterprise-performance-of-intel-ssds> > You might want to investigate the experiment > to recover worn out SSDs using high temperatures. Why? There is no replacement for a solid backup strategy. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 12:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <100720141230398573%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #62135 |
In article <48fsr9do5vjo59b8234cgsfhredg74sq0k@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote: > > Write speed to SSD is very much slower than to a hard drive. completely wrong. ssd is much, much faster. the difference is staggering. > The slower write speed and the fact that SSDs wear out is why they > are not used in servers. no, they're not used in servers because the network is often the bottleneck and the extra speed from an ssd won't matter all that much. another reason is that servers generally have a *lot* of storage and that can get very expensive with ssd. hard drives also wear out. nothing lasts forever. however, ssd will outlast a hard drive. > You might want to investigate the experiment > to recover worn out SSDs using high temperatures. nonsense. if an ssd (or hard drive) has failed for whatever reason and there is no backup, send it to a recovery company. however, it's much better and a *lot* cheaper to make backups, whether it's a hard drive or ssd.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 10:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lpmij5$d3m$2@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #62135 |
On 2014-07-10 07:17:20 +0000, Barry OGrady said: > On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 21:09:07 -0600, Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> > wrote: > >> In article <010720142322387235%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Holy hard drive, Batman! >>> >>> The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. >>> This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. >>> >>> I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I >>> decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. >>> >>> I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new >>> SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as >>> I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far >>> exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, >>> and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run >>> much faster than I would have dared hope. >>> >>> Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're >>> looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. >> >> Obviously the SSD drive was much faster but also take into consideration >> the SSD drive was nearly twice as large, giving more free disk space, >> which also provided some speed benefit, especially with graphics >> programs. And I would think, the free space should be in larger >> contiguous chunks since you wrote a fresh disk.e > > Write speed to SSD is very much slower than to a hard drive. > The slower write speed and the fact that SSDs wear out is why they > are not used in servers. You are incorrect about SSD write speed. > > You might want to investigate the experiment > to recover worn out SSDs using high temperatures.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 19:10 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lo9x51.1urfkin1bjnem8N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #61674 |
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Holy hard drive, Batman! > > The 500GB HD on this "17-inch, Early 2008" MB Pro failed two weeks ago. > This machine, one of two 17-inch MBPs that I own, is important to me. > > I ran it from the SuperDuper external backup drive for a bit while I > decided what to do. I decided to buy a Crucial 960GB SSD from Amazon. > > I did that this evening, then cloned the SuperDuper backup to the new > SSD. I was expecting a little speed bump on this 6-year-old machine, as > I am accustomed to the speed of my 15" MBP Retina SSD, but this far > exceeds my expectations. Aperture, Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, > and astronomy software with huge databases, all load in a flash and run > much faster than I would have dared hope. > > Bottom line, at $400-and-something this is a great choice if you're > looking to give new life to an old Mac that is irreplaceable. Yep, it's quite the speed bump especially on those older machines with less RAM. Heck, even upgrading my slow 7200rpm HD in my mid-2007 24" iMac to a 10,000rpm HD was a modest speed boost. I wish I could have afforded an SSD for it :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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