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  Downloding Mavericks David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 06:13 -0800
    Re: Downloding Mavericks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-17 14:43 +0000
    Re: Downloding Mavericks David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 06:57 -0800
    Re: Downloding Mavericks Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-17 10:15 -0600
      Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 11:43 -0500
        Re: Downloding Mavericks JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 13:29 -0500
          Re: Downloding Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:15 -0700
            Re: Downloding Mavericks super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2014-01-18 04:55 -0600
              Re: Downloding Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 09:37 +1300
              Re: Downloding Mavericks J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-18 15:45 -0500
                Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:45 -0500
                Re: Downloding Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 13:30 +1300
          Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 14:30 -0500
          Re: Downloding Mavericks "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 06:05 -0800
          Re: Downloding Mavericks Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-12 11:22 +1000
            Re: Downloding Mavericks Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-12 10:18 -0400
              Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 13:55 -0400
                Re: Downloding Mavericks Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-12 14:50 -0400
                  Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 15:13 -0400
                    Re: Downloding Mavericks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-12 20:47 +0000
                      Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 17:11 -0400
                        Re: Downloding Mavericks Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-12 22:25 +0000
                      Re: Downloding Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-04-13 01:27 +0000
                      Re: Downloding Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-13 08:21 +0200
                  Re: Downloding Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-04-13 01:26 +0000
                    Re: Downloding Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-13 09:44 +0200
                      Re: Downloding Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-04-13 21:32 +0000
        Re: Downloding Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 11:59 -0700
          Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 14:30 -0500
            Re: Downloding Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:31 -0700
              Re: Downloding Mavericks dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-18 08:54 +1100
              Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 18:39 -0500
              Re: Downloding Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:27 +0000
            Re: Downloding Mavericks "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:26 -0500
              Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:29 -0500
      Re: Downloding Mavericks JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 13:23 -0500
        Re: Downloding Mavericks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-19 17:19 +0000
          Re: Downloding Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:07 +1300
      Re: Downloding Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-18 09:41 +1300
        Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 18:39 -0500
          Re: Downloding Mavericks JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 19:02 -0500
            Re: Downloding Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:12 -0700
            Re: Downloding Mavericks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2014-01-18 00:14 +0000
              Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 20:02 -0500
              Re: Downloding Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:55 -0500
                Re: Downloding Mavericks Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2014-01-18 09:19 -0800
                  Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:32 -0800
                    Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 13:12 -0500
                      Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:22 -0800
                        Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 13:53 -0500
                          Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:33 -0800
                            Re: Downloding Mavericks Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 13:09 -0800
                              Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                                Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:00 -0800
                                  Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 18:43 -0500
                                    Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:45 -0800
                                      Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                                        Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:44 -0800
                                          Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
                                            Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 06:44 -0800
                                              Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:49 -0500
                                            Re: Downloding Mavericks David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-21 10:44 -0500
                                              Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 08:50 -0800
                                                Re: Downloding Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 17:16 +0000
                                                Re: Downloding Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:15 +1300
                                  Re: Downloding Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:03 +0000
                            Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                              Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:02 -0800
                                Re: Downloding Mavericks Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-20 17:24 -0500
                                Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 18:43 -0500
                                  Re: Downloding Mavericks Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:50 -0800
                                    Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                    Re: Downloding Mavericks dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-19 08:03 +1100
                  Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 13:12 -0500
            Re: Downloding Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 20:02 -0500

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#55375

In article <48ppnl4cop.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > this is a very good summary of the various issues with mavericks mail:
> > > > <http://tidbits.com/article/14219>
> > > > 
> > > > the badge count sync is not just with gmail either. it happens on
> > > > non-gmail mail systems, but probably for different reasons.
> > > 
> > > OK, now you've mentioned exactly one Mavericks Mail bug, but it is one
> > > that appears to be unrelated to Gmail.
> > 
> > one bug? you obviously didn't read the link.
> 
> As I said, _you_ gave an example of one bug.
> 
> You also gave a linka to one unhappy camper. This doesnt support your
> contention that there is some universal Mavericks / gmail problem.

you *clearly* didn't read the link.

> > how do you explain such a huge discrepancy?
> > 
> > and how do you explain apple's hasty patch to fix some (but not all) of
> > the gmail issues?
> > 
> > obviously, there's a problem. 
> 
> I'm not asserting that there is no problem. I am asserting that I and
> many other users experience no problem.

if you're going to dismiss a poll of many people as being invalid as
well as a lengthy article describing various problems, then i'm going
to dismiss your tiny sample as invalid (which it most certainly is,
regardless).

> You, on the other hand are asserting that Mavericks doesn't work eith
> gmail, but are unable to provide a single example of a universal (or
> even majority user) problem, except the badge problem, which is an
> Apple Mail bug that appears unrelated to Gmail.

i did.

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#55161

In article <210120140446406286%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <tsr482ati2.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > Though I'd think in that case you wouldn't have quite so much trouble
> > > > coming with examples of these bugs.
> > > 
> > > this is a very good summary of the various issues with mavericks mail:
> > > <http://tidbits.com/article/14219>
> > > 
> > > the badge count sync is not just with gmail either. it happens on
> > > non-gmail mail systems, but probably for different reasons.
> > 
> > OK, now you've mentioned exactly one Mavericks Mail bug, but it is one
> > that appears to be unrelated to Gmail.
> 
> one bug? you obviously didn't read the link.
> 
> he lists a slew of problems specifically with gmail, some of which are
> rather serious.
> 
> the badge count does happen with more than just gmail, but not
> necessarily for the same reason. the bugs he lists with gmail includes
> a syncing bug, which would explain the badge count problem. other mail
> systems don't have a syncing problem, so the badge count issue there
> would likely be due to a *different* reason. 
> 
> > In the meantime, several responses from Mavericks Gmail users who
> > aren't noticing any problems, while you continue to assert that this
> > means we aren't really using it seriously.
> 
> meanwhile, 85% of respondents to a poll say otherwise. 
> 
> how do you explain such a huge discrepancy?

One possibility would be that people who have a problem are more apt to 
respond to such a pole than people who don't. 
> 
> and how do you explain apple's hasty patch to fix some (but not all) of
> the gmail issues?
> 
> obviously, there's a problem. 
> 
> > Burnishing your reputation as an accurate and incisive USENET
> > correspondent.
> 
> more accurately, you will refuse to believe any facts. your mind is
> made up.
> 
> by the way, there's yet *another* source of facebook users migrating to
> other services. but you won't believe any of it anyway.

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#55162

David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> writes:

> In article <210120140446406286%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

(snip)

> > meanwhile, 85% of respondents to a poll say otherwise. 
> > 
> > how do you explain such a huge discrepancy?
> 
> One possibility would be that people who have a problem are more apt to 
> respond to such a pole than people who don't. 

It isn't even that.  This is specifically a poll of people who are
having problems with Mail in Mavericks

The question being asked is "Did the Mavericks Mail update fix your
Gmail woes?"

To extrapolate from that poll (as nospam does) that 85% of people have
problems with Mavericks and Gmail is either stupid or deceptive.

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#55163

On 2014-01-21, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> writes:
>
>> In article <210120140446406286%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> > meanwhile, 85% of respondents to a poll say otherwise. 
>> > 
>> > how do you explain such a huge discrepancy?
>> 
>> One possibility would be that people who have a problem are more apt to 
>> respond to such a pole than people who don't. 
>
> It isn't even that.  This is specifically a poll of people who are
> having problems with Mail in Mavericks
>
> The question being asked is "Did the Mavericks Mail update fix your
> Gmail woes?"
>
> To extrapolate from that poll (as nospam does) that 85% of people have
> problems with Mavericks and Gmail is either stupid or deceptive.

He paints with a huge brush.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55169

In article <sxd2jluvm4.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> writes:
> 
> > In article <210120140446406286%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> > > meanwhile, 85% of respondents to a poll say otherwise. 
> > > 
> > > how do you explain such a huge discrepancy?
> > 
> > One possibility would be that people who have a problem are more apt to 
> > respond to such a pole than people who don't. 
> 
> It isn't even that.  This is specifically a poll of people who are
> having problems with Mail in Mavericks
> 
> The question being asked is "Did the Mavericks Mail update fix your
> Gmail woes?"
> 
> To extrapolate from that poll (as nospam does) that 85% of people have
> problems with Mavericks and Gmail is either stupid or deceptive.

Or just the usual mis-reporting of all statistical polls.

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#55123

On 2014-01-20, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>
>> In article <vilain-CB079E.13093320012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
>> Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> it's also still fairly buggy, notably apple mail. that might be
>>>>> a show stopper right there.
>>>> 
>>>> That's an interesting assertion.  I haven't noticed Apple Mail
>>>> bugs myself, though the searching doesn't seem quite as snappy to
>>>> me (haven't tested if I'm noticing a real difference though).
>>>> 
>>>> What sort of Apple Mail bugs have you been seeing?
>>> 
>>> I think he was referring to the features he doesn't like.  Lots of
>>> people call those bugs, even though the program is working the way
>>> it's supposed to.
>> 
>> no, i'm referring to actual bugs. ask anyone who uses it with gmail
>> just how well it works.
>
> Well, that would include me.  And my answer would be "just fine."

I use GMail with Apple Mail as well without issue. I have friends who do
the same and just asked two of them if they've had problems with Mail
and GMail. Neither did. Go figure.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55088

In article <5stxcy5r6h.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > But as I wrote, adequate for testing what exactly?  For testing if
> > > Mavericks works on his machine, he doesn't need to do that.  For
> > > testing how _well_ it works, he'll get a distorted picture.
> > 
> > to see if the changes are acceptable. for some people, they are not.
> > speed isn't the issue, it's whether the missing features or the changed
> > features matter.
> 
> I see.  Maybe.  But of course many of the changes can be adjusted in
> preferences.  What are the "missing features" to which you refer?

it was more of a generic comment as to why someone would want to test
drive something before installing it.

with every release of any software, new features are added and existing
features may be changed or removed. sometimes those changes are good
and sometimes they're not.

being able to find out before committing to an upgrade is often very
helpful, especially with an operating system, where backtracking is a
major pain in the ass.

most of the time, speed isn't going to affect that evaluation.

> > it's also still fairly buggy, notably apple mail. that might be a show
> > stopper right there.
> 
> That's an interesting assertion.  I haven't noticed Apple Mail bugs
> myself, though the searching doesn't seem quite as snappy to me
> (haven't tested if I'm noticing a real difference though).

searching in apple mail was never particularly fast.

> What sort of Apple Mail bugs have you been seeing?

apple mail with gmail is still screwed up. they released a quick fix
which helped but it's still broken.

if someone uses gmail a lot, they will find that mavericks will not be
a pleasant experience unless they use a different mail app than apple
mail. apparently nobody at apple uses gmail.

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#55093

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> In article <5stxcy5r6h.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > But as I wrote, adequate for testing what exactly?  For testing if
> > > > Mavericks works on his machine, he doesn't need to do that.  For
> > > > testing how _well_ it works, he'll get a distorted picture.
> > > 
> > > to see if the changes are acceptable. for some people, they are not.
> > > speed isn't the issue, it's whether the missing features or the changed
> > > features matter.
> > 
> > I see.  Maybe.  But of course many of the changes can be adjusted in
> > preferences.  What are the "missing features" to which you refer?
> 
> it was more of a generic comment as to why someone would want to test
> drive something before installing it.
> 
> with every release of any software, new features are added and existing
> features may be changed or removed. sometimes those changes are good
> and sometimes they're not.
> 
> being able to find out before committing to an upgrade is often very
> helpful, especially with an operating system, where backtracking is a
> major pain in the ass.
> 
> most of the time, speed isn't going to affect that evaluation.
> 
> > > it's also still fairly buggy, notably apple mail. that might be a show
> > > stopper right there.
> > 
> > That's an interesting assertion.  I haven't noticed Apple Mail bugs
> > myself, though the searching doesn't seem quite as snappy to me
> > (haven't tested if I'm noticing a real difference though).
> 
> searching in apple mail was never particularly fast.
> 
> > What sort of Apple Mail bugs have you been seeing?
> 
> apple mail with gmail is still screwed up. they released a quick fix
> which helped but it's still broken.
> 
> if someone uses gmail a lot, they will find that mavericks will not be
> a pleasant experience unless they use a different mail app than apple
> mail. apparently nobody at apple uses gmail.

Again, not my experience.  I'm not seeing that Apple Mail with gmail
is "broken," but I may not be using the features of gmail (or Apple
Mail) that are at issue.

Since for some reason you resist specifying what those features are,
it is hard to tell.  It certainly isn't as simple as "anyone who uses
gmail with Apple Mail will tell you it is broken," because I do, and I
wouldn't tell anyone that.

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#55097

On 2014-01-20 22:02:25 +0000, Doug Anderson said:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
> 
>> In article <5stxcy5r6h.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
>> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> But as I wrote, adequate for testing what exactly?  For testing if
>>>>> Mavericks works on his machine, he doesn't need to do that.  For
>>>>> testing how _well_ it works, he'll get a distorted picture.
>>>> 
>>>> to see if the changes are acceptable. for some people, they are not.
>>>> speed isn't the issue, it's whether the missing features or the changed
>>>> features matter.
>>> 
>>> I see.  Maybe.  But of course many of the changes can be adjusted in
>>> preferences.  What are the "missing features" to which you refer?
>> 
>> it was more of a generic comment as to why someone would want to test
>> drive something before installing it.
>> 
>> with every release of any software, new features are added and existing
>> features may be changed or removed. sometimes those changes are good
>> and sometimes they're not.
>> 
>> being able to find out before committing to an upgrade is often very
>> helpful, especially with an operating system, where backtracking is a
>> major pain in the ass.
>> 
>> most of the time, speed isn't going to affect that evaluation.
>> 
>>>> it's also still fairly buggy, notably apple mail. that might be a show
>>>> stopper right there.
>>> 
>>> That's an interesting assertion.  I haven't noticed Apple Mail bugs
>>> myself, though the searching doesn't seem quite as snappy to me
>>> (haven't tested if I'm noticing a real difference though).
>> 
>> searching in apple mail was never particularly fast.
>> 
>>> What sort of Apple Mail bugs have you been seeing?
>> 
>> apple mail with gmail is still screwed up. they released a quick fix
>> which helped but it's still broken.
>> 
>> if someone uses gmail a lot, they will find that mavericks will not be
>> a pleasant experience unless they use a different mail app than apple
>> mail. apparently nobody at apple uses gmail.
> 
> Again, not my experience.  I'm not seeing that Apple Mail with gmail
> is "broken," but I may not be using the features of gmail (or Apple
> Mail) that are at issue.
> 
> Since for some reason you resist specifying what those features are,
> it is hard to tell.  It certainly isn't as simple as "anyone who uses
> gmail with Apple Mail will tell you it is broken," because I do, and I
> wouldn't tell anyone that.

Same here. Apple mail works fine with 2 gmail accounts, one IMAP, one 
POP, with no problems whatsoever. Multiple labels/folders, lots of 
rules.

-- 
JoeWolfDee
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, 
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.  --WH 
Auden

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#55106

In article <b3r482z4zy.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > What sort of Apple Mail bugs have you been seeing?
> > 
> > apple mail with gmail is still screwed up. they released a quick fix
> > which helped but it's still broken.
> > 
> > if someone uses gmail a lot, they will find that mavericks will not be
> > a pleasant experience unless they use a different mail app than apple
> > mail. apparently nobody at apple uses gmail.
> 
> Again, not my experience.  I'm not seeing that Apple Mail with gmail
> is "broken," but I may not be using the features of gmail (or Apple
> Mail) that are at issue.

apparently  not.

less than 15% of respondents do *not* have a problem with apple mail
and gmail. the remaining 85% or so do, from minor to serious, or they
gave up entirely:
<http://www.imore.com/did-mavericks-mail-update-fix-your-gmail-woes-poll>

> Since for some reason you resist specifying what those features are,
> it is hard to tell.  It certainly isn't as simple as "anyone who uses
> gmail with Apple Mail will tell you it is broken," because I do, and I
> wouldn't tell anyone that.

see above. most people *will* tell you it doesn't work properly. you
are fortunate to not have encountered any problems, or you didn't
notice it if you did.

even if you limit it to 'broken' rather than 'somewhat', it's still
rather high.

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#55119

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> In article <b3r482z4zy.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > What sort of Apple Mail bugs have you been seeing?
> > > 
> > > apple mail with gmail is still screwed up. they released a quick fix
> > > which helped but it's still broken.
> > > 
> > > if someone uses gmail a lot, they will find that mavericks will not be
> > > a pleasant experience unless they use a different mail app than apple
> > > mail. apparently nobody at apple uses gmail.
> > 
> > Again, not my experience.  I'm not seeing that Apple Mail with gmail
> > is "broken," but I may not be using the features of gmail (or Apple
> > Mail) that are at issue.
> 
> apparently  not.
> 
> less than 15% of respondents do *not* have a problem with apple mail
> and gmail. the remaining 85% or so do, from minor to serious, or they
> gave up entirely:
> <http://www.imore.com/did-mavericks-mail-update-fix-your-gmail-woes-poll>

I think you are telling me that of the people who were already having
problems with gmail on Mavericks, the ones who were motivated to
answer that survey are mostly those who are still having problems
after the update.

Not very meaningful.

> > Since for some reason you resist specifying what those features are,
> > it is hard to tell.  It certainly isn't as simple as "anyone who uses
> > gmail with Apple Mail will tell you it is broken," because I do, and I
> > wouldn't tell anyone that.
> 
> see above. most people *will* tell you it doesn't work properly.

The above obviously tells us _nothing_ about "most people."  At best,
it would tell us only about those people who are having trouble with
Mavericks  + gmail and not the ones who have no trouble.

> you
> are fortunate to not have encountered any problems, or you didn't
> notice it if you did.

On what do you base the notion that I'm fortunate in this respect?

As far as I can tell, everyone I know using Mavericks is also using
Gmail on it, with no problem.

You've now posted about these problems like 8 times without identifying
any of them.  They can't be that subtle to identify.

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#55127

In article <q8txcyupi4.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> As far as I can tell, everyone I know using Mavericks is also using
> Gmail on it, with no problem.

then they aren't doing much with gmail or not noticing it.

> You've now posted about these problems like 8 times without identifying
> any of them.  They can't be that subtle to identify.

<http://tidbits.com/article/14219>

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#54899

In article <vaha919oxa.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
 Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> So if you are testing whether it will work at all, you don't need to
> test that - it will.  If you are testing whether it will work well,
> then that is going to be a hard thing to evaluate when running it off
> a flash drive.

There are many other things to test in between working and working 
well, and many are varying degrees of objective and subjective. OS's 
differ from each other in features and not all of these features are 
about speed.

-- 
dorayme

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#54889

In article <180120140919023485%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot
<otto@bogus.address.com> wrote:

> On a slightly related track, can Mavericks be downloaded to a
> flashdrive and installed on said drive. Then, use that drive to
> externally boot my MacBook Air 10.7.5 to "test drive" Mavericks before
> installing it on the MBA as the permanent, boot drive?

definitely. a flash drive is just another usb drive, just smaller and
slower, particularly for booting.

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#54838

In article <52d9c4ad$0$9147$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > not enough to matter, and you can go to where there is better
> > connectivity anyway.
> 
> I think you greatly underestimate the number of areas of the world that
> have insufficient internet access to download such large files.
>
> By insufficient, it can refer to cost (due to low monthly usage limits
> and exhorbitant additional per gig charges) and those without reliable
> or speedy enough links.
> 
> Even in the USA and Canada, there are large areas that do not have
> sufficient access. Just because some telco announces you can get 5mbps
> service doesn't mean you live near enough the DSLAM to get anything
> above 1mbps.

there are large areas with slow access, but there aren't a whole lot of
people in those areas *and* who want to download large files.

> The decision makers in Cupertino are in a perfect world of their own,
> oblivious to all the problems with internet access around the world.

it ain't just apple. microsoft distributes windows electronically. ios
and android are done that way too. 

electronic distribution is the future. boxed cd/dvds are the past.

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