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| Started by | John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> |
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| First post | 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-20 14:57 -0500 |
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Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 22:27 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 00:09 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2014-01-19 09:58 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:17 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 04:59 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 19:30 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-19 15:32 -0600
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:12 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:14 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-19 19:12 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 18:15 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 00:29 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 19:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 01:25 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:13 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 15:22 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:25 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 19:28 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:13 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:29 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:57 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:12 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-21 23:13 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 21:51 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:33 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 22:48 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:43 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:56 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 01:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 19:35 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 03:29 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:13 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:22 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:22 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 19:40 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 16:53 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:30 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 23:48 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:11 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 13:21 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:56 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 12:35 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:24 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-22 17:47 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:02 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 19:45 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:19 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:34 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:26 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 12:35 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-23 05:48 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 16:09 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:08 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:37 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:24 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-23 01:04 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 19:15 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-23 03:16 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:19 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:15 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:16 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2014-01-22 09:43 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 17:22 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:25 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 16:10 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:34 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:36 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:48 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 00:56 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 03:37 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-19 20:25 +1100
Re: Being tracked on the web Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 14:20 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:26 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 13:27 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 11:02 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-19 16:08 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-19 08:24 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-19 12:43 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-19 12:46 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:03 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-19 13:49 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:12 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-20 14:57 -0500
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| From | John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800 |
| Subject | Being tracked on the web |
| Message-ID | <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me> |
Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, their ad is inserted somewhere on the page. Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way?
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 22:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-2C2A14.22271118012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> |
| In reply to | #54945 |
In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote: > Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a > chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their > terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, > their ad is inserted somewhere on the page. > > Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are > they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can > they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way? Most web sites use multiple tracking services so they all know where you've been, what you've searched for, and where you're going. Safari, by default, tells Google what you're doing through URL completion, domain to URL conversion, automatic searching, and safe site filtering. Chrome desktop tells Google everything. You can use Ghostery and turn off 3rd party cookies to stop most of the tracking. Chrome and Safari can not be configured so that they don't automatically contact search engines. Firefox with Ghostery is probably better for privacy.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 00:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-08AC03.00093819012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54946 |
In article <mcmurtrie-2C2A14.22271118012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>, > John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a > > chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their > > terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, > > their ad is inserted somewhere on the page. > > > > Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are > > they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can > > they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way? > > Most web sites use multiple tracking services so they all know where > you've been, what you've searched for, and where you're going. Safari, > by default, tells Google what you're doing through URL completion, > domain to URL conversion, automatic searching, and safe site filtering. > Chrome desktop tells Google everything. > > You can use Ghostery and turn off 3rd party cookies to stop most of the > tracking. Chrome and Safari can not be configured so that they don't > automatically contact search engines. Firefox with Ghostery is probably > better for privacy. Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear. I use AdBlock Plus and Disconnect on Chrome, AdBlock, DoNotTrackMe, and Disconnect on Safari, and AdBlockPlus, Disconnect, and Greasemonkey on Firefox. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 09:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52dba1e1$0$5246$c3e8da3$7c32e45a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #54948 |
On 2014-01-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear. > False: last update was less than a week ago. Vide https://purplebox.ghostery.com . I wonder where you heard this rumour? An ad agency perhaps ;-) Jo
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 12:17 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-99D917.12172319012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54951 |
In article <52dba1e1$0$5246$c3e8da3$7c32e45a@news.astraweb.com>, Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> wrote: > On 2014-01-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > > > Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear. > > > > False: last update was less than a week ago. > Vide https://purplebox.ghostery.com . > > I wonder where you heard this rumour? An ad agency perhaps ;-) > > Jo Lifehacker mentioned the developer had moved on to other things. The database behind it is being updated, but Ghostery itself was not. The site doesn't mention that. I went to the site to see 5.1 was released. I guess it's time to bug them for a "What privacy plugins do you use?" article. I'll post what they say as follow up. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 04:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lbg7l8$hh9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54948 |
On 1/19/14, 3:09 AM, Michael Vilain wrote: > In article > <mcmurtrie-2C2A14.22271118012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > >> In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>, >> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a >>> chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their >>> terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, >>> their ad is inserted somewhere on the page. >>> >>> Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are >>> they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can >>> they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way? >> >> Most web sites use multiple tracking services so they all know where >> you've been, what you've searched for, and where you're going. Safari, >> by default, tells Google what you're doing through URL completion, >> domain to URL conversion, automatic searching, and safe site filtering. >> Chrome desktop tells Google everything. >> >> You can use Ghostery and turn off 3rd party cookies to stop most of the >> tracking. Chrome and Safari can not be configured so that they don't >> automatically contact search engines. Firefox with Ghostery is probably >> better for privacy. > > Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear. > > I use AdBlock Plus and Disconnect on Chrome, > AdBlock, DoNotTrackMe, and Disconnect on Safari, and > AdBlockPlus, Disconnect, and Greasemonkey on Firefox. > Didn't Ghostery 5.1 come out January 13?
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 19:30 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <190120141930470622%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #54945 |
In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote: > > Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a > chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their > terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, > their ad is inserted somewhere on the page. > > Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are > they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can > they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way? It is simply a Google advert (or similar) which is based on words and phrases on the pages you're reading - so reading pages about hotels / travel will also display an advert about such things, which means there's no way to stop it (short of disabling Google adverts with some sort of plug-in / browser option). It may also be using terms you previously used in Google searches and any resulting Google links you've clicked on. You could try deleting the Google cookies or even all cookies (you'll likely lose the auto-login for other websites). Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if tyhe little grey aliens don't get you first.
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| From | Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 15:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local> |
| In reply to | #54947 |
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if > tyhe little grey aliens don't get you first. Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 13:12 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #54994 |
In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> > wrote: > > > > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely > > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat > > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if > > the little grey aliens don't get you first. > > Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct... If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and should be caught. It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 00:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bk383qFm2qjU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55012 |
On 2014-01-20, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara ><timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely >> > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat >> > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if >> > the little grey aliens don't get you first. >> >> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct... > > If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then > it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and > should be caught. > > It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you > have nothing to worry about. Wow... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 19:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> |
| In reply to | #55012 |
In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara > <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely > > > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat > > > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if > > > the little grey aliens don't get you first. > > > > Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct... > > If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then > it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and > should be caught. > > It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you > have nothing to worry about. What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a selective presentation from enormous amounts of data. That has been proven quite often.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 18:15 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <200120141815091237%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55024 |
In article <mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>, > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara > > <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > > > On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely > > > > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat > > > > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if > > > > the little grey aliens don't get you first. > > > > > > Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct... > > > > If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then > > it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and > > should be caught. > > > > It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you > > have nothing to worry about. > > What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a > selective presentation from enormous amounts of data. That has been > proven quite often. If you seriously believe that anyone is interested enough in you to go to all that bother, then you've got bigger problems that wearing a tin-foil het will ever solve.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 00:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lbic85$ccm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55032 |
On 1/20/14, 12:15 AM, Your Name wrote: > In article > <mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: >> In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>, >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara >>> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely >>>>> nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat >>>>> brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if >>>>> the little grey aliens don't get you first. >>>> >>>> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct... >>> >>> If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then >>> it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and >>> should be caught. >>> >>> It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you >>> have nothing to worry about. >> >> What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a >> selective presentation from enormous amounts of data. That has been >> proven quite often. > > If you seriously believe that anyone is interested enough in you to go > to all that bother, then you've got bigger problems that wearing a > tin-foil het will ever solve. > According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can also affect prices quoted to you by online shops.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 19:14 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <200120141914536275%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55037 |
In article <lbic85$ccm$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 1/20/14, 12:15 AM, Your Name wrote: > > In article > > <mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > > Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > >> In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>, > >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>> In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara > >>> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely > >>>>> nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat > >>>>> brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if > >>>>> the little grey aliens don't get you first. > >>>> > >>>> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct... > >>> > >>> If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then > >>> it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and > >>> should be caught. > >>> > >>> It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you > >>> have nothing to worry about. > >> > >> What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a > >> selective presentation from enormous amounts of data. That has been > >> proven quite often. > > > > If you seriously believe that anyone is interested enough in you to go > > to all that bother, then you've got bigger problems that wearing a > > tin-foil hat will ever solve. > > According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to > credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can > also affect prices quoted to you by online shops. Yep, and there's a flock of levitating pink porcines going past my window right now. :-\
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 01:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52dcc144$0$49605$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #55039 |
On 14-01-20 01:14, Your Name wrote: >> According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to >> credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can >> also affect prices quoted to you by online shops. > > Yep, and there's a flock of levitating pink porcines going past my > window right now. :-\ A person's web profile is the holy grail of advertisers who think they can command higher ad prices when the ads are targetted to users who are more likely to be interested/need products. Whether this actually works remains to be seen, but advertisers pitch this to their gullible customers. And there are metric tonnes of such gullible customers judging from Google's share price :-) And various parties are jockeying to get into the game. Bell Canada is going to recycle its DPI equipment used originally for DSL into usage gathering engines for its wireless customers to capture web browsing patterns for each customer and sell that data to advertising firms for more targetted ads. (this is currently in front of the canadian privacy commisioner). Google is currently under some heat because it started to target ads to someone who had a health condition. CBC: Google ads target Canadians using personal health info > http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/google-ads-target-canadians-using-personal-health-info-1.2497515
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-21 09:13 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <210120140913508166%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55040 |
In article <52dcc144$0$49605$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-20 01:14, Your Name wrote: > >> > >> According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to > >> credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can > >> also affect prices quoted to you by online shops. > > > > Yep, and there's a flock of levitating pink porcines going past my > > window right now. :-\ > > A person's web profile is the holy grail of advertisers who think they > can command higher ad prices when the ads are targetted to users who are > more likely to be interested/need products. > > Whether this actually works remains to be seen, but advertisers pitch > this to their gullible customers. And there are metric tonnes of such > gullible customers judging from Google's share price :-) > > And various parties are jockeying to get into the game. Bell Canada is > going to recycle its DPI equipment used originally for DSL into usage > gathering engines for its wireless customers to capture web browsing > patterns for each customer and sell that data to advertising firms for > more targetted ads. (this is currently in front of the canadian privacy > commisioner). > > Google is currently under some heat because it started to target ads to > someone who had a health condition. > > CBC: Google ads target Canadians using personal health info > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/google-ads-target-canadians-using-personal-health-info-1.2497515 Google and others targetting things like adverts based on your browsing is a known and established fact, and has been since they started doing it. Nobody sells individual data to other companies - the task of doing so would be horrendously difficult (Google doesn't even know who you are!). They do no doubt sell "trend" data to other companies, but that will be a statistcal summarisation. There are things like competition you enter where you give the company running it to pass on your details to others, and even then your details are sold as part of a massive people, not individually nor on request. The only exception to this would be if the police ask for individual details for legal reasons, and even then it can be difficult to find one individual person in amoungst the bazillions of data flowing through the system. As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 15:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lbk0j3$sru$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55066 |
On 1/20/14, 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote: > As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being > invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters. > Like the NYT? Epic quotes them, saying tracking data is merged with personal data and sold to employers and insurance companies, among others. http://www.epicbrowser.com/#two
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-21 13:25 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <210120141325599944%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55069 |
In article <lbk0j3$sru$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 1/20/14, 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote: > > > > As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being > > invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters. > > Like the NYT? Epic quotes them, saying tracking data is merged with > personal data and sold to employers and insurance companies, among others. > http://www.epicbrowser.com/#two Someone who "sells" a supposedly secure browser is telling you lies and misinformation to help promote their own product. Wow, who'd have thunk it. What a shocking surprise. :-\ Simple fact: You do a Google search - Google doesn't have any personal detaiils about you to pass on, even if they wanted to. At best they have your IP address and what you search for or clicked on. Somewhere like Amazon will have personal details if you sign up for an account, but then that's no different to signing up for an account with any real world store, bank account, credit card, etc., etc., etc.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 19:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <200120141928518202%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #55109 |
In article <210120141325599944%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > Simple fact: You do a Google search - Google doesn't have any personal > detaiils about you to pass on, even if they wanted to. At best they > have your IP address and what you search for or clicked on. not only do they have your personal info, but they use it to target ads. you can even review your search history. you have to intentionally block it for them not to have it, but they still track it by ip address and other information, which is almost as good. > Somewhere like Amazon will have personal details if you sign up for an > account, but then that's no different to signing up for an account with > any real world store, bank account, credit card, etc., etc., etc. and even if you don't.
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 18:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-68441A.18133120012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> |
| In reply to | #55109 |
In article <210120141325599944%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <lbk0j3$sru$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> > wrote: > > On 1/20/14, 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote: > > > > > > As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being > > > invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters. > > > > Like the NYT? Epic quotes them, saying tracking data is merged with > > personal data and sold to employers and insurance companies, among others. > > http://www.epicbrowser.com/#two > > Someone who "sells" a supposedly secure browser is telling you lies and > misinformation to help promote their own product. Wow, who'd have thunk > it. What a shocking surprise. :-\ > > Simple fact: You do a Google search - Google doesn't have any personal > detaiils about you to pass on, even if they wanted to. At best they > have your IP address and what you search for or clicked on. > > Somewhere like Amazon will have personal details if you sign up for an > account, but then that's no different to signing up for an account with > any real world store, bank account, credit card, etc., etc., etc. Ha, you have no idea how many tracking companies Google owns and how much data is sent to tracking companies when you log into any site. Your tracking will be re-associated with your identity even if you clear cookies. I bet even your bank tells Google who you are. Try browsing pages for an unusual product. Now see how many web sites advertise related products.
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