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  OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-30 19:46 -0500
    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-30 17:49 -0700
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-01 19:08 +0000
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 15:43 -0700
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-10-01 16:31 -0700
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:55 -0500
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-03 16:51 -0700
            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-05 10:22 -0500
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 08:48 -0700
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-05 11:23 -0500
                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-05 11:38 -0500
                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-07 09:54 -0500
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-07 08:31 -0700
                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-05 18:38 +0100
                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-06 09:34 +1300
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-06 09:24 -0700
                        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-07 09:21 +1300
                          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-06 16:51 -0400
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-06 15:34 -0700
                              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-07 18:56 +1300
                        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-07 09:55 +1300
                          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-07 19:03 +1300
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-07 09:47 -0500
                              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-08 09:26 +1300
                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-06 09:33 -0500
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-06 08:35 -0700
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-06 16:53 +0100
                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 10:59 -0700
                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 16:02 -0400
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 16:51 -0700
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-10-01 16:25 -0700
    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2013-09-30 20:42 -0500
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-09-30 23:00 -0400
    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-01 09:29 -0500
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 09:16 -0700
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 11:24 -0700
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 14:30 -0400
            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 11:37 -0700
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-01 19:17 +0000
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2013-10-01 19:57 +0000
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 15:46 -0700
                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-02 10:21 +0000
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-01 21:38 -0400
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:54 -0500
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-04 09:08 +1200
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-03 16:54 -0700
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:51 -0500
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-03 08:16 -0700
            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-03 15:54 -0400
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-03 20:03 -0700
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-04 18:11 +1200
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 12:12 +0000
                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-04 14:34 +0100
                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 16:12 +0000
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-04 17:48 +0100
                        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 19:44 +0000
                          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 16:03 -0400
                          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 09:57 +1200
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 18:01 -0400
                              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 11:21 +1200
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-04 19:24 -0700
                          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-04 22:26 +0100
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 11:19 +1200
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 23:33 +0000
                              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 13:41 +1200
                              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-05 09:21 +0100
                                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-05 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-05 14:18 +0100
                                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-05 13:58 +0000
                                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 07:35 -0700
                                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 15:17 -0400
                                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 10:07 +1300
                                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-05 17:15 -0400
                                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 10:00 +1300
                                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-05 22:45 +0100
                                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 17:29 +1300
                                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-05 17:59 +0200
                            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-04 19:18 -0700
                              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-07 10:06 +1300
                        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 09:51 +1200
                          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 23:37 +0000
                      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 09:47 +1200
                Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-10-04 13:41 -0700
                  Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 17:59 -0400
                    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-05 09:23 +0100
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 12:12 +0000
            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-03 16:55 -0700
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-01 14:41 -0400
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-02 09:34 -0500
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-02 14:50 -0400
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-02 15:19 -0400
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-10-02 14:47 -0700
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-10-02 15:19 -0700
            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 10:02 -0500
              Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-03 16:07 +0100
          Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 10:00 -0500
            Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-03 16:50 -0700
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:55 -0500
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 09:44 +1200
    Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 10:55 -0700
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-01 19:14 +0000
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 13:52 -0700
        Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:56 -0500
      Re: OT: Woman Shot in Driveway George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:53 -0500

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#49201 — OT: Woman Shot in Driveway

Linda Burnett, 26, a resident of San Diego, was visiting her in-laws
and, while there, went to a nearby supermarket to pick up some
groceries.

Later, her husband noticed her sitting in her car in the driveway
with the windows rolled up and her eyes closed, with both hands behind
the back of her head.

He became concerned and walked over to the car. He noticed that
Linda's eyes were now open and she looked very strange. He asked her
if she was okay, and Linda replied that she had been shot in the back
of the head and had been holding her brains in for over an hour.

The husband called the paramedics, who broke into the car because
the doors were locked and Linda refused to remove her hands from her
head.

When they finally got in, they found that Linda had a wad of bread
dough on the back of her head.

A Pillsbury biscuit canister had exploded from the heat, making a
loud noise that sounded like a gunshot, and the wad of dough hit her
in the back of her head.

When she reached back to find out what it was, she felt the dough
and thought it was her brains. She initially passed out, but quickly
recovered.

Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that
could all be a coincidence.

The defective biscuit canister was analyzed and the expiration date
was from 2008, so it was determined to be Bush's fault.

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#49202

In article <CE6F858D.A1F81%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that could 
> all be a coincidence.

That's the GOP spin; she's actually a Tea Party member who supports Ted 
Cruz and Paul Ryan.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49233

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:49:19 UTC, Michelle Steiner 
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <CE6F858D.A1F81%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that could 
> > all be a coincidence.
> 
> That's the GOP spin; she's actually a Tea Party member who supports Ted 
> Cruz and Paul Ryan.
 
So is it still Bush's fault?

-- 
John Varela

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#49250

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kZJZG3FpwnLC@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> > > Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that 
> > > could all be a coincidence.
> > 
> > That's the GOP spin; she's actually a Tea Party member who supports 
> > Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan.
>  
> So is it still Bush's fault?

Nope; the Tea Party, collectively.  Bush gets a bye on this.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49256

In article <michelle-562DEF.15434201102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kZJZG3FpwnLC@localhost>,
>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > > > Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that 
> > > > could all be a coincidence.
> > > 
> > > That's the GOP spin; she's actually a Tea Party member who supports 
> > > Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan.
> >  
> > So is it still Bush's fault?
> 
> Nope; the Tea Party, collectively.  Bush gets a bye on this.

By the way, does anyone have Linda's email address?

-- 

Sam

Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.

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#49286

On 10/1/13 2:08 PM, in article 51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kZJZG3FpwnLC@localhost,
"John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:49:19 UTC, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> In article <CE6F858D.A1F81%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that could
>>> all be a coincidence.
>> 
>> That's the GOP spin; she's actually a Tea Party member who supports Ted
>> Cruz and Paul Ryan.
>  
> So is it still Bush's fault?

Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.

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#49305

In article <CE72EFAC.A2032%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > So is it still Bush's fault?
> 
> Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.

Um no.  It's the Koch brothers and Ted Cruz's fault, with a nudge to Paul 
Ryan as well.  You gotta stop living in the past, George.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49437

On 10/3/13 6:51 PM, in article
michelle-F8F117.16513003102013@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <CE72EFAC.A2032%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> So is it still Bush's fault?
>> 
>> Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.
> 
> Um no.  It's the Koch brothers and Ted Cruz's fault, with a nudge to Paul
> Ryan as well.  You gotta stop living in the past, George.

Ummm, when barricades are put up around War Memorials and WWII Vets are kept
from visiting and military chaplains can face arrest for doing their job, I
would not say that it would be Ted Cruz's fault. The Government has shut
down 17 times in the past 30 years, and NEVER have Veterans been locked out
or threatened for doing their jobs. In addition, the Biz Zero has ordered
all NFL and MLB playoff games to be blacked out for deployed soldiers, while
he made sure that HIS military golf course would remain open.

And YOU are proud of this man, being a Veteran yourself?!? If THAT is
"living in the past", then DAMN RIGHT, I am proud of it!!!

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#49439

In article <CE7598E9.A2255%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>> So is it still Bush's fault?
> >> 
> >> Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.
> > 
> > Um no.  It's the Koch brothers and Ted Cruz's fault, with a nudge to 
> > Paul Ryan as well.  You gotta stop living in the past, George.
> 
> Ummm, when barricades are put up around War Memorials and WWII Vets are 
> kept from visiting and military chaplains can face arrest for doing 
> their job, I would not say that it would be Ted Cruz's fault. The 
> Government has shut down 17 times in the past 30 years, and NEVER have 
> Veterans been locked out or threatened for doing their jobs. 

True, the government shutdown is not directly Ted Cruz's fault; it is the 
fault of the Tea Party Republicans who are so afraid of the ACA working 
that they are willing to hold the government hostage in their attempts to 
defund the ACA.  They've tried and failed more than 40 times to repeal the 
ACA, so now they're trying to defund it by, as I said, holding the 
government hostage.

Military chaplains are not facing arrest for doing their jobs.

Thanks to the Tea Party Republicans in the House, there is no funding to 
keep the war memorials open; thats the reason the memorials are closed.  
And it's not that this is the first time they've been closed; it is the 
first time, though, that a bunch of right-wingers have made an issue of it 
for political/ideological reasons.

> In addition, the Biz Zero has ordered all NFL and MLB playoff games to 
> be blacked out for deployed soldiers,

Actually, the entire network has shut down because there is no money to pay 
for it. You can thank the Tea Party Republicans for that too.

> while he made sure that HIS military golf course would remain open.

Golf courses on military reservations are operated from Non-Appropriated 
Funds (i.e., funds that do not come from the federal treasury); therefore, 
they are not affected by the shutdown.  Furthermore, the courses are open 
to all military (and, I believe, retired military) personnel.  They are not 
"his" golf courses.  Furthermore, he has not played any golf since the 
shutdown has begun.

> And YOU are proud of this man, being a Veteran yourself?!?

I am proud of him for standing up to the attempted extortion being 
perpetrated by the Tea Party Republicans.

You've said, or at least implied, that those of us on the left hate G. W. 
Bush; that is incorrect.  We hate what he did, but we don't hate him.  The 
Tea Partiers and other right wingers hate Obama himself.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49445

On 10/5/13 10:48 AM, in article
michelle-CE01C5.08480805102013@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <CE7598E9.A2255%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> So is it still Bush's fault?
>>>> 
>>>> Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.
>>> 
>>> Um no.  It's the Koch brothers and Ted Cruz's fault, with a nudge to
>>> Paul Ryan as well.  You gotta stop living in the past, George.
>> 
>> Ummm, when barricades are put up around War Memorials and WWII Vets are
>> kept from visiting and military chaplains can face arrest for doing
>> their job, I would not say that it would be Ted Cruz's fault. The
>> Government has shut down 17 times in the past 30 years, and NEVER have
>> Veterans been locked out or threatened for doing their jobs.
> 
> True, the government shutdown is not directly Ted Cruz's fault; it is the
> fault of the Tea Party Republicans who are so afraid of the ACA working
> that they are willing to hold the government hostage in their attempts to
> defund the ACA.  They've tried and failed more than 40 times to repeal the
> ACA, so now they're trying to defund it by, as I said, holding the
> government hostage.
> 
> Military chaplains are not facing arrest for doing their jobs.
> 
> Thanks to the Tea Party Republicans in the House, there is no funding to
> keep the war memorials open; thats the reason the memorials are closed.
> And it's not that this is the first time they've been closed; it is the
> first time, though, that a bunch of right-wingers have made an issue of it
> for political/ideological reasons.
> 
>> In addition, the Biz Zero has ordered all NFL and MLB playoff games to
>> be blacked out for deployed soldiers,
> 
> Actually, the entire network has shut down because there is no money to pay
> for it. You can thank the Tea Party Republicans for that too.
> 
>> while he made sure that HIS military golf course would remain open.
> 
> Golf courses on military reservations are operated from Non-Appropriated
> Funds (i.e., funds that do not come from the federal treasury); therefore,
> they are not affected by the shutdown.  Furthermore, the courses are open
> to all military (and, I believe, retired military) personnel.  They are not
> "his" golf courses.  Furthermore, he has not played any golf since the
> shutdown has begun.
> 
>> And YOU are proud of this man, being a Veteran yourself?!?
> 
> I am proud of him for standing up to the attempted extortion being
> perpetrated by the Tea Party Republicans.
> 
> You've said, or at least implied, that those of us on the left hate G. W.
> Bush; that is incorrect.  We hate what he did, but we don't hate him.  The
> Tea Partiers and other right wingers hate Obama himself.

I really believe that you are just being sarcastic when you blame the Tea
Party for Obama's direct orders because your logic could not be possibly
THAT flawed. You have to be joking!

³The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice.
The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the
plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That
was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans
of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is
privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought
it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access
to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with
the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they¹re
only here to help.

ŒIt¹s a cheap way to deal with the situation,¹ an angry Park Service ranger
in Washington says of the harassment. ŒWe¹ve been told to make life as
difficult for people as we can. It¹s disgusting.¹²

<http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-t
he-game/>

And Todd Starnes reports that the military has ³furloughed as many as 50
Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services,
banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told
that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to
disciplinary action.²

<http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/04/catholic-priests-in-military-face
-arrest-for-celebrating-mass/>

Please stop ignoring the obvious: The Democrats have had their way so MANY
times in the past because the Country Club Repubs did not want to LOOK bad
and be blamed for gridlock and caved. Well, there is NEW blood in the
conservative/libertarian part of the Party, that you and other Leftists
refer to as "Extreme Right-Wing Nazis", etc., that will not back down at the
whim. They have offered to pass legislation that would open up certain
services and what does your Party do? Harry Reid scoffs about taking care of
children with cancer. You must be SO proud!!!

-- 
³Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon.
The pigeon will knock over all the pieces, crap on the board
and then strut around like it won the game!²

‹Vladimir Putin

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#49446

On 10/5/13 11:23 AM, in article CE75A731.A228F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com,
"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 10/5/13 10:48 AM, in article
> michelle-CE01C5.08480805102013@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
> Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> In article <CE7598E9.A2255%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> So is it still Bush's fault?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.
>>>> 
>>>> Um no.  It's the Koch brothers and Ted Cruz's fault, with a nudge to
>>>> Paul Ryan as well.  You gotta stop living in the past, George.
>>> 
>>> Ummm, when barricades are put up around War Memorials and WWII Vets are
>>> kept from visiting and military chaplains can face arrest for doing
>>> their job, I would not say that it would be Ted Cruz's fault. The
>>> Government has shut down 17 times in the past 30 years, and NEVER have
>>> Veterans been locked out or threatened for doing their jobs.
>> 
>> True, the government shutdown is not directly Ted Cruz's fault; it is the
>> fault of the Tea Party Republicans who are so afraid of the ACA working
>> that they are willing to hold the government hostage in their attempts to
>> defund the ACA.  They've tried and failed more than 40 times to repeal the
>> ACA, so now they're trying to defund it by, as I said, holding the
>> government hostage.
>> 
>> Military chaplains are not facing arrest for doing their jobs.
>> 
>> Thanks to the Tea Party Republicans in the House, there is no funding to
>> keep the war memorials open; thats the reason the memorials are closed.
>> And it's not that this is the first time they've been closed; it is the
>> first time, though, that a bunch of right-wingers have made an issue of it
>> for political/ideological reasons.
>> 
>>> In addition, the Biz Zero has ordered all NFL and MLB playoff games to
>>> be blacked out for deployed soldiers,
>> 
>> Actually, the entire network has shut down because there is no money to pay
>> for it. You can thank the Tea Party Republicans for that too.
>> 

<http://washingtonexaminer.com/military-keeps-camp-david-open-halts-nfl-base
ball-coverage-to-troops-overseas/article/2536819>

>>> while he made sure that HIS military golf course would remain open.
>> 
>> Golf courses on military reservations are operated from Non-Appropriated
>> Funds (i.e., funds that do not come from the federal treasury); therefore,
>> they are not affected by the shutdown.  Furthermore, the courses are open
>> to all military (and, I believe, retired military) personnel.  They are not
>> "his" golf courses.  Furthermore, he has not played any golf since the
>> shutdown has begun.
>> 
>>> And YOU are proud of this man, being a Veteran yourself?!?
>> 
>> I am proud of him for standing up to the attempted extortion being
>> perpetrated by the Tea Party Republicans.
>> 
>> You've said, or at least implied, that those of us on the left hate G. W.
>> Bush; that is incorrect.  We hate what he did, but we don't hate him.  The
>> Tea Partiers and other right wingers hate Obama himself.
> 
> I really believe that you are just being sarcastic when you blame the Tea
> Party for Obama's direct orders because your logic could not be possibly
> THAT flawed. You have to be joking!
> 
> ³The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice.
> The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the
> plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That
> was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans
> of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is
> privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought
> it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access
> to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with
> the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they¹re
> only here to help.
> 
> ŒIt¹s a cheap way to deal with the situation,¹ an angry Park Service ranger
> in Washington says of the harassment. ŒWe¹ve been told to make life as
> difficult for people as we can. It¹s disgusting.¹²
> 
> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-t
> he-game/>
> 
> And Todd Starnes reports that the military has ³furloughed as many as 50
> Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services,
> banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told
> that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to
> disciplinary action.²
> 
> <http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/04/catholic-priests-in-military-face
> -arrest-for-celebrating-mass/>
> 
> Please stop ignoring the obvious: The Democrats have had their way so MANY
> times in the past because the Country Club Repubs did not want to LOOK bad
> and be blamed for gridlock and caved. Well, there is NEW blood in the
> conservative/libertarian part of the Party, that you and other Leftists
> refer to as "Extreme Right-Wing Nazis", etc., that will not back down at the
> whim. They have offered to pass legislation that would open up certain
> services and what does your Party do? Harry Reid scoffs about taking care of
> children with cancer. You must be SO proud!!!


-- 

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally
authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an
actual or imminent threat to the nation."

- Sen. Barack Obama, December 20, 2007

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#49622

On 10/5/13 11:38 AM, in article CE75AAC7.A2294%ghost_topper@hotmail.com,
"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 10/5/13 11:23 AM, in article CE75A731.A228F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com,
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/5/13 10:48 AM, in article
>> michelle-CE01C5.08480805102013@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
>> Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <CE7598E9.A2255%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>>>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>> So is it still Bush's fault?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Of COURSE! It's the Mantra of the Left.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Um no.  It's the Koch brothers and Ted Cruz's fault, with a nudge to
>>>>> Paul Ryan as well.  You gotta stop living in the past, George.
>>>> 
>>>> Ummm, when barricades are put up around War Memorials and WWII Vets are
>>>> kept from visiting and military chaplains can face arrest for doing
>>>> their job, I would not say that it would be Ted Cruz's fault. The
>>>> Government has shut down 17 times in the past 30 years, and NEVER have
>>>> Veterans been locked out or threatened for doing their jobs.
>>> 
>>> True, the government shutdown is not directly Ted Cruz's fault; it is the
>>> fault of the Tea Party Republicans who are so afraid of the ACA working
>>> that they are willing to hold the government hostage in their attempts to
>>> defund the ACA.  They've tried and failed more than 40 times to repeal the
>>> ACA, so now they're trying to defund it by, as I said, holding the
>>> government hostage.
>>> 
>>> Military chaplains are not facing arrest for doing their jobs.
>>> 
>>> Thanks to the Tea Party Republicans in the House, there is no funding to
>>> keep the war memorials open; thats the reason the memorials are closed.
>>> And it's not that this is the first time they've been closed; it is the
>>> first time, though, that a bunch of right-wingers have made an issue of it
>>> for political/ideological reasons.
>>> 
>>>> In addition, the Biz Zero has ordered all NFL and MLB playoff games to
>>>> be blacked out for deployed soldiers,
>>> 
>>> Actually, the entire network has shut down because there is no money to pay
>>> for it. You can thank the Tea Party Republicans for that too.
>>> 
> 
> <http://washingtonexaminer.com/military-keeps-camp-david-open-halts-nfl-base
> ball-coverage-to-troops-overseas/article/2536819>
> 
>>>> while he made sure that HIS military golf course would remain open.
>>> 
>>> Golf courses on military reservations are operated from Non-Appropriated
>>> Funds (i.e., funds that do not come from the federal treasury); therefore,
>>> they are not affected by the shutdown.  Furthermore, the courses are open
>>> to all military (and, I believe, retired military) personnel.  They are not
>>> "his" golf courses.  Furthermore, he has not played any golf since the
>>> shutdown has begun.
>>> 
>>>> And YOU are proud of this man, being a Veteran yourself?!?
>>> 
>>> I am proud of him for standing up to the attempted extortion being
>>> perpetrated by the Tea Party Republicans.
>>> 
>>> You've said, or at least implied, that those of us on the left hate G. W.
>>> Bush; that is incorrect.  We hate what he did, but we don't hate him.  The
>>> Tea Partiers and other right wingers hate Obama himself.
>> 
>> I really believe that you are just being sarcastic when you blame the Tea
>> Party for Obama's direct orders because your logic could not be possibly
>> THAT flawed. You have to be joking!
>> 
>> ³The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice.
>> The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the
>> plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That
>> was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans
>> of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is
>> privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought
>> it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access
>> to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with
>> the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they¹re
>> only here to help.
>> 
>> ŒIt¹s a cheap way to deal with the situation,¹ an angry Park Service ranger
>> in Washington says of the harassment. ŒWe¹ve been told to make life as
>> difficult for people as we can. It¹s disgusting.¹²
>> 
>> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-t
>> he-game/>
>> 
>> And Todd Starnes reports that the military has ³furloughed as many as 50
>> Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services,
>> banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told
>> that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to
>> disciplinary action.²
>> 
>> <http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/04/catholic-priests-in-military-face
>> -arrest-for-celebrating-mass/>
>> 
>> Please stop ignoring the obvious: The Democrats have had their way so MANY
>> times in the past because the Country Club Repubs did not want to LOOK bad
>> and be blamed for gridlock and caved. Well, there is NEW blood in the
>> conservative/libertarian part of the Party, that you and other Leftists
>> refer to as "Extreme Right-Wing Nazis", etc., that will not back down at the
>> whim. They have offered to pass legislation that would open up certain
>> services and what does your Party do? Harry Reid scoffs about taking care of
>> children with cancer. You must be SO proud!!!
> 

Now I have heard it all.

Yes, the liberals should be VERY happy with their Soros-puppet...

<http://dakotawarcollege.com/federal-government-park-service-blocking-view-o
f-mt-rushmore-from-highway-with-tim-johnsons-support/>

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#49624

In article <CE783555.A2407%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Now I have heard it all.
> 
> Yes, the liberals should be VERY happy with their Soros-puppet...

Not nearly as happy as the Koch puppets that you Tea Partiers are.

> <http://dakotawarcollege.com/federal-government-park-service-blocking-view-o
> f-mt-rushmore-from-highway-with-tim-johnsons-support/>

<http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/rushmore.asp>

The cones first went up Oct. 1, said Dusty Johnson, [South Dakota] Gov. 
Dennis Daugaard's chief of staff. The state asked that they be taken down, 
and federal officials did so with some of them. The state was told the 
cones were a safety precaution to help channel cars into viewing areas 
rather than to bar their entrance.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49450

In article <CE75A731.A228F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Please stop ignoring the obvious: The Democrats have had their way so MANY
> times in the past because the Country Club Repubs did not want to LOOK bad
> and be blamed for gridlock and caved. Well, there is NEW blood in the
> conservative/libertarian part of the Party, that you and other Leftists
> refer to as "Extreme Right-Wing Nazis", etc., that will not back down at the
> whim.

Well of course you're overlooking the unparliamentary tactic used: 
trying to change the law by tacking a clause onto an unrelated Bill. 
This should not be permitted.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#49464

Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <CE75A731.A228F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Please stop ignoring the obvious: The Democrats have had their way so MANY
> > times in the past because the Country Club Repubs did not want to LOOK bad
> > and be blamed for gridlock and caved. Well, there is NEW blood in the
> > conservative/libertarian part of the Party, that you and other Leftists
> > refer to as "Extreme Right-Wing Nazis", etc., that will not back down at the
> > whim.
> 
> Well of course you're overlooking the unparliamentary tactic used: 
> trying to change the law by tacking a clause onto an unrelated Bill. 
> This should not be permitted.

From a New Zealander's point of view, I have to say I side with the
Democrats on this matter (I know, what a shock - a member of a liberal
secular country agrees with US Democrats).

Democrats won the vote in Congress on the ACA. They won the vote in the
Senate. The ACA was then contested in the Supreme court where the key
provisions were validated (unfortunately states were given the ability
to sabotage it by allowing them to opt out of Medicaid expansion - the
whole states thing still seems odd to me as a NZer), and then with the
ACA being the key point of contention in the presidential race - Obama
won re-election, further validating the ACA.

Now the Republicans, or really more the fanatical Tea Party, have tried
everything they can to sabotage a law that by any reasonable person's
judgement was created and validated democratically, and repeatedly so.

The shocking part for me is how these politicians seem to have lost
sight of the fact that they work first and foremost for their country,
and thus all of it's citizens. Not just their electorate. Not just their
party. But their loyalty should first and foremost be to country and all
it's citizens.

Instead they act as if only their beliefs are right, and everyone else
isn't entitled to live differently. There's no respect for people who
don't want to think or do the same things. They've lost sight of a
central pillar of democracy - that one must not only tolerate
difference, but respect it. Or you risk becoming a dictatorship in all
but name.

See what happens when the winning party thinks their majority
constitutes the right to rule like despots in countries like Iran, and
Turkey (one a true success story of secular democracy in the Middle
East, now a frightening place to live if you value free speech). Or
Russia where one party, and really one person has taken over through a
cult of personality, and ruthlessly quashes opposition in the belief
only they can lead Russia back to glory.

This is why only open, secular government that enforces free speech, and
respects everyone, can be truly free for all. Once a group starts
imposing only their beliefs it destroys free speech and freedom for the
rest. The religious fanatics in the US treat secularism as some kind of
enemy, and try to re-write history to say it was never the intention of
the US founders. But the founders of the US just as those of modern UK
and NZ government knew that secularism is in fact the friend of the
religious, non-religious, whatever a person's beliefs. Because only with
respect for all and free speech enshrined in government, can everyone
live happily with one another.

People like poor George Kerby are so blinded by their own beliefs, that
they cannot accept the rest of the country, if not the world have a
right to be respected too.

George feels that when a religious nutter who thinks he's doing his
god's will is in power like George Bush, who did reprehensible things
like make aid faith tested, or the Tea Party fanatics (who attack a
women's right to choose, amongst other reprehensible notions that
violate international notions of human rights) score a win that he's
winning and we should all somehow understand that we're wrong and he and
they are right. George refuses to examine the downsides to blind belief.

And when someone fair and square passes a law, or by god - a black
liberal man gets elected, well George foams at the mouth, because when
his party was in power, well it was the natural order of things, but if
another segment of the country makes their voice heard and gets elected
and makes laws - well, it's an abomination. It's all wrong. It was all
right as rain when his party was in power. But it's just wrong, wrong,
wrong and somehow a trick, a con, it just shouldn't be when another
party is in power by swaying the public with their positions.

It is hypocrisy of the first order.

I'll ask again - what the hell ever happened to liberal republicans? For
that matter what simply happened to republican meaning you believed is
fiscal conservatism and small government? When did it become some kind
of holy war against everyone else, with the arrogant belief that only
they are right, and everyone else is the enemy?

I'd just like to note that I know plenty of religious and /or
conservative people whom I respect. Why? Because they live their lives
their way and don't try to control mine. There's nothing wrong with
religion when you can respect others. But the fanatics can't and won't
see that respect for all is essential and you cannot have a free society
by forcing others to live as your religious beliefs would dictate.

Funny how it all comes down to religion once again. But that's what is
at the core of the Tea Party and the religious right's takeover of the
republican party - a religious zealotry that only they are right and
they have some kind of right to enforce their beliefs on other, and that
any tactics go when they use them, because it's all validated by their
beliefs being the one true righteousness.

The sheer hypocrisy in the Tea Party trying to claim the ACA wasn't
legitimately passed and repeatedly democratically validated is simply
outrageous. And their failure to buck up and do their jobs now it has,
would be laughable, were it not such an affront to democracy and the
country and ALL it's citizens coming first, before party. In NZ we would
never stand for politicians not doing their jobs and respecting the will
of the country, once a law has been passed and repeatedly validated by
democratic processes.

Compromise is not holding someone hostage till you get your way. The tea
party republicans have had their way time and again in committee with
provisions of the ACA, yet not a single one ever voted for it at any
step, despite their being accommodated!

I'll say it again: COMPROMISE IS NOT HOLDING SOMEONE HOSTAGE TILL YOU
GET YOUR WAY.

I sincerely hope Obama and the Democrats stand firm against this blatant
attempt to hold the country hostage, and that the American people
remember who is responsible.

As an outsider who loves parts of America and some Americans, it is
frightening to see zealotry attack the US'es secular government like
this, and all the other attacks on it over the past years.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#49537

In article <1lab95g.umo9rig7yx20N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Instead they act as if only their beliefs are right, and everyone else
> isn't entitled to live differently. There's no respect for people who
> don't want to think or do the same things. They've lost sight of a
> central pillar of democracy - that one must not only tolerate
> difference, but respect it.

Unfortunately, you just described a whole lot of (most?) Americans... 
This country has lost its way.

-- 
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filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
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#49568

In article <jollyroger-DC7DB6.09244606102013@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <1lab95g.umo9rig7yx20N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > Instead they act as if only their beliefs are right, and everyone else
> > isn't entitled to live differently. There's no respect for people who
> > don't want to think or do the same things. They've lost sight of a
> > central pillar of democracy - that one must not only tolerate
> > difference, but respect it.
> 
> Unfortunately, you just described a whole lot of (most?) Americans... 
> This country has lost its way.

It's not just Americans. Most human beings are selfish, greedy, and
stupid, and the higher up the "coprorate ladder" (including government)
you go, the worse they get.   :-(

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#49571

On 13-10-06 16:21, Your Name wrote:

> It's not just Americans. Most human beings are selfish, greedy, and
> stupid, and the higher up the "coprorate ladder" (including government)
> you go, the worse they get.   :-(

It is just that Washington attracts an abnormally high number of those
critters who are granted way too much power. (or so they think, it
appears the real powers in Washington resides in non-elected offices of
managers at the military, NSA and CIA)

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#49585

In article <5251cd59$0$10597$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-10-06 16:21, Your Name wrote:
> 
> > It's not just Americans. Most human beings are selfish, greedy, and
> > stupid, and the higher up the "coprorate ladder" (including government)
> > you go, the worse they get.   :-(
> 
> It is just that Washington attracts an abnormally high number of those
> critters who are granted way too much power. (or so they think, it
> appears the real powers in Washington resides in non-elected offices of
> managers at the military, NSA and CIA)

Power-hungry people are attracted to such positions naturally.

-- 
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#49613

In article <jollyroger-4B1407.15341306102013@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <5251cd59$0$10597$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > On 13-10-06 16:21, Your Name wrote:
> > >
> > > It's not just Americans. Most human beings are selfish, greedy, and
> > > stupid, and the higher up the "coprorate ladder" (including government)
> > > you go, the worse they get.   :-(
> > 
> > It is just that Washington attracts an abnormally high number of those
> > critters who are granted way too much power. (or so they think, it
> > appears the real powers in Washington resides in non-elected offices of
> > managers at the military, NSA and CIA)
> 
> Power-hungry people are attracted to such positions naturally.

Yep, it's definitely not just Washington. The same happens in
governments and "big business" management worldwide.

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