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  Getting two computers to talk to each other David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 10:45 -0800
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 18:50 +0000
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 08:58 +1300
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:59 -0500
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 20:57 -0500
            Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 09:58 +0000
              Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:13 +0000
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 15:01 +0000
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 21:06 +0000
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-30 16:57 -0500
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-30 17:05 -0500
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 14:12 -0800
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 22:02 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-30 17:51 -0500
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 23:03 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-02 00:57 +0000
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 21:23 -0600
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-02 04:54 +0000
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:29 -0500
              Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 08:58 +1300
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 21:13 +0000
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 13:53 -0800
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 22:09 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 22:40 -0800
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:41 +0000
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 13:39 +1300
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 08:27 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-01 09:45 +1300
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 22:33 +0000
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:15 +0100
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 02:49 +0000
            Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:22 +0100
              Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:55 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-01-30 02:45 +0100
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 12:30 -0500
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 18:18 -0500
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:54 -0500
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 02:53 +0000
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Gary <gary_w1@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-30 03:44 -0500
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:00 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:59 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 09:02 +1300
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 12:32 -0500
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 12:26 -0800
            Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:30 +0100
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-31 00:49 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-31 03:55 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 18:25 +1300
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2014-01-30 20:02 -0600
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 18:27 +1300

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#55612

In article <lccar0$mou$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> 
wrote:

> Yes, but then he has to notice that the USB stick/harddisk is formatted 
> in FAT32 to be sure that this will work...

They all come that way, I've noticed. You have to go out of your way to 
format a stick as anything exotic.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#55572

In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
 David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:

> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never 
> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently 
> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that 
> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC. So 
> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as 
> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached 
> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting 
> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd 
> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so 
> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?

I have 3 Macs and 2 Linux machines and 2 VMs (in Mac) running Win 8.1 
and I use Filezilla for that stuff. It's religiously cross-platform, and 
I've got the prefs set up identically on all the machines so I just turn 
it on and there it is. I've got site manager settings for all the stuff 
I move around.

https://filezilla-project.org/

On the other hand, at least from the Mac side, you should be able to go 
to Finder/Go/Network and mount your Winders machine on the desktop. 
Filezilla loads just as fast.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#55575

On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
> move files back and forth. How is this done?

See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
a router or smart switch though directly will work too.

I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
on you Mac:

1. One machine
2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
3. Less space
4. Less wiring
5. Less energy consumption
6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
    every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55588

On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
>> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
>> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
>> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
>> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
>> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
>> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
>> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
>> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
>> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
>> move files back and forth. How is this done?
>
> See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
> a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
>
> I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
> install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
> on you Mac:
>
> 1. One machine
> 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
> 3. Less space
> 4. Less wiring
> 5. Less energy consumption
> 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
>     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.

Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
$59.99, after all.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55596

On 2014-01-30 02:53:46 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
>>> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
>>> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
>>> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
>>> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
>>> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
>>> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
>>> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
>>> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
>>> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
>>> move files back and forth. How is this done?

I would do this with Dropbox.  It's pretty straightfoward.  Install the 
appropriate version on each machine and you have one folder on each 
machine that can be accessed by either.  (Or you can create a folder 
for Mac->PC and another for PC->Mac.)  You can even tell programs in 
both machines that the data file is at x/Dropbox/SharedFolder (nothing 
magic about the name sharedfolder; I just made it up for 
demonstration).  

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#55598

In article <bktt5qFbo8gU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
> >> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
> >> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
> >> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
> >> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
> >> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
> >> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
> >> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
> >> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
> >> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
> >> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
> >> move files back and forth. How is this done?
> >
> > See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
> > a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
> >
> > I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
> > install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
> > on you Mac:
> >
> > 1. One machine
> > 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
> > 3. Less space
> > 4. Less wiring
> > 5. Less energy consumption
> > 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
> >     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.
> 
> Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
> expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
> $59.99, after all.

And VirtualBox is free. I have two VMs, one with XP and another with
Win7. I only did it so I can run Publisher under XP, but I found it
useful to be able to test my software under Win7, too.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#55609

On 2014-01-30, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <bktt5qFbo8gU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> > On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
>> >> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
>> >> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
>> >> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
>> >> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
>> >> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
>> >> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
>> >> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
>> >> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
>> >> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
>> >> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
>> >> move files back and forth. How is this done?
>> >
>> > See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
>> > a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
>> >
>> > I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
>> > install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
>> > on you Mac:
>> >
>> > 1. One machine
>> > 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
>> > 3. Less space
>> > 4. Less wiring
>> > 5. Less energy consumption
>> > 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
>> >     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.
>> 
>> Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
>> expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
>> $59.99, after all.
>
> And VirtualBox is free. I have two VMs, one with XP and another with
> Win7. I only did it so I can run Publisher under XP, but I found it
> useful to be able to test my software under Win7, too.

Indeed. If you absolutely must spend the bare minimum, VirtualBox is
free, though a bit harder to set up, and not quite as compatible / fast
as other solutions.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55617

In article <300120141000079594%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <bktt5qFbo8gU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > > On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
> > >> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
> > >> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
> > >> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
> > >> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
> > >> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
> > >> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
> > >> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
> > >> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
> > >> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
> > >> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
> > >> move files back and forth. How is this done?
> > >
> > > See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
> > > a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
> > >
> > > I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
> > > install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
> > > on you Mac:
> > >
> > > 1. One machine
> > > 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
> > > 3. Less space
> > > 4. Less wiring
> > > 5. Less energy consumption
> > > 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
> > >     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.
> > 
> > Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
> > expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
> > $59.99, after all.
> 
> And VirtualBox is free. I have two VMs, one with XP and another with
> Win7. I only did it so I can run Publisher under XP, but I found it
> useful to be able to test my software under Win7, too.

The only problem with VirtualBox, being freeware, is that it is less
"polished" than Fusion or Parallels, so can be more difficult to set-up
properly.

If you're lucky enough to need to use the one or two applications that
REALLY work with it, then WINE is supposdly another option (and doesn't
need an install of Windows itself), but not one I'd suggest anyone
bother with since it extremely buggy and incompatible with almost
everythong ... including most of the applications on their "works"
list.

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#55613

In article <bktt5qFbo8gU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
> expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
> $59.99, after all.

VirtualBox is free. I've got a Win 8.1 Pro running on my fancy 
last-year's iMac in VirtualBox, and it's pretty snappy. It even boots 
pretty fast. Have to turn off the 3d acceleration to get the "metro 
apps" to work. Stupid OS, though. The oul' Woman needs it (she says) for 
tax software.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#55618

In article <52ea8cc6$0$47993$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <bktt5qFbo8gU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
> > expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
> > $59.99, after all.
> 
> VirtualBox is free. I've got a Win 8.1 Pro running on my fancy 
> last-year's iMac in VirtualBox, and it's pretty snappy. It even boots 
> pretty fast. Have to turn off the 3d acceleration to get the "metro 
> apps" to work. Stupid OS, though. The oul' Woman needs it (she says) for 
> tax software.

Since it's owned by Oracle, I will append the "for now" on that 
pronouncement. It's not like they haven't started monetizing stuff from 
the SUN acquisition or anything.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#56324

On 2014-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <52ea8cc6$0$47993$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <bktt5qFbo8gU2@mid.individual.net>,
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
>> > expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
>> > $59.99, after all.
>>
>> VirtualBox is free. I've got a Win 8.1 Pro running on my fancy
>> last-year's iMac in VirtualBox, and it's pretty snappy. It even boots
>> pretty fast. Have to turn off the 3d acceleration to get the "metro
>> apps" to work. Stupid OS, though. The oul' Woman needs it (she says) for
>> tax software.
>
> Since it's owned by Oracle, I will append the "for now" on that
> pronouncement. It's not like they haven't started monetizing stuff from
> the SUN acquisition or anything.

Actually the basic VirtualBox package is open source.

The Extension Pack is Oracle's own software and you don't currently need
that unless you want any of the following:

*    The virtual USB 2.0 (EHCI) device
*    VirtualBox Remote Desktop Protocol (VRDP) support
*     Intel PXE boot ROM with support for the E1000 network card
*    Experimental support for PCI passthrough on Linux hosts

For a bit more detail see my article "A Look at Oracle VirtualBox Licensing"

<http://www.sture.ch/node/221>

--
Paul Sture

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#55631

On 30 Jan 2014 02:53:46 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
>>> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
>>> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
>>> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
>>> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
>>> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
>>> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
>>> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
>>> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
>>> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
>>> move files back and forth. How is this done?
>>
>> See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
>> a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
>>
>> I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
>> install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
>> on you Mac:
>>
>> 1. One machine
>> 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
>> 3. Less space
>> 4. Less wiring
>> 5. Less energy consumption
>> 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
>>     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.
>
>Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
>expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
>$59.99, after all.

 Then you need a valid Windows installation. Anything from 50 bucks to
a good couple of hundred. 
 Far easier to load your Windows programs inside Crossover. And it's
cheaper than 60 bux.
 A good WINE is even cheaper, but harder for a new guy to use.  

 And please do remember, connecting a WIntel box to a Mac isn't easy.
Windows *hates* to be networked. Not only that but it loses networks
easily no matter how you set them up. If you're lucky it will re-find
them but sometimes not. 
 Sometimes, something as simple as dropping huge files onto a USB
stick can kill the network connection. 
 Networking, in Windows is strictly a last-minute hurried add-on that
might possibly work when it feels like it. For a few minutes. Swapping
large files between machines is a pain in the bum. Doing any serious
work on a Mac from inside a Windows PC is ... not as easy as linking
*Nixxy or Mac boxes.
 Also, FAT32 sticks have a 4kilobyte file li.... bugger, of course I
meant a 4 GIGAByte file limit. That's not big enough for a full
double-sided DVD movie in AVI format. If you want to USB-stick
anything bigger you'll need to "Convert" the FS to NTFS. Then you'll
need to teach your Mac how to read and write NTFS. 
 Window makes *nothing* easy. It does work, after a fashion, so long
as you don't do anything weird but it's not friendly to people who
want to do strange stuff. Like use it. 
                                                               J.  

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#55634

On 2014-01-31, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> On 30 Jan 2014 02:53:46 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
>>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
>>>> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
>>>> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
>>>> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
>>>> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
>>>> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
>>>> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
>>>> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
>>>> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
>>>> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
>>>> move files back and forth. How is this done?
>>>
>>> See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
>>> a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
>>>
>>> I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
>>> install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
>>> on you Mac:
>>>
>>> 1. One machine
>>> 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
>>> 3. Less space
>>> 4. Less wiring
>>> 5. Less energy consumption
>>> 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
>>>     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.
>>
>>Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
>>expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
>>$59.99, after all.
>
>  Then you need a valid Windows installation. Anything from 50 bucks to
> a good couple of hundred. 

$50 is all you need for that.

>  Far easier to load your Windows programs inside Crossover. And it's
> cheaper than 60 bux.

I've learned from experience that for many, many things, Crossover
simply isn't a viable solution. It's just not compatible with a whole
lot of stuff, and even when a program does run under it, often it's woth
reduced or buggy functionality.

>  A good WINE is even cheaper, but harder for a new guy to use.  

Good luck with that as well.

A virtual machine is the best bet.

>  And please do remember, connecting a WIntel box to a Mac isn't easy.

With a virtual machine it's a no-brainer to share files between Mac OS X
and Wwindows. Click a check box and you're done. Yep, it's that easy. No
futzing with Windows sharing settings at all.

> Windows *hates* to be networked. Not only that but it loses networks
> easily no matter how you set them up. If you're lucky it will re-find
> them but sometimes not.

Which is why a VM is a better way to go, IMO.
 
>  Sometimes, something as simple as dropping huge files onto a USB
> stick can kill the network connection. 
>  Networking, in Windows is strictly a last-minute hurried add-on that
> might possibly work when it feels like it. For a few minutes. Swapping
> large files between machines is a pain in the bum. 

I'm not sure what you've been doing, but I've used various versions of
Windows for many years and, while its certainly not as easy to configure
or as problem-free as Mac OS and *nix networking, I haven't had that
much trouble with it.

> Doing any serious work on a Mac from inside a Windows PC is ... not as
> easy as linking *Nixxy or Mac boxes.

I'm not sure what you mean by doing work on a Mac from inside a Windows
PC. 

>  Also, FAT32 sticks have a 4kilobyte file li.... bugger, of course I
> meant a 4 GIGAByte file limit. That's not big enough for a full
> double-sided DVD movie in AVI format. If you want to USB-stick
> anything bigger you'll need to "Convert" the FS to NTFS. Then you'll
> need to teach your Mac how to read and write NTFS. 

No need for it if you use a VM in Mac OS.

>  Window makes *nothing* easy. It does work, after a fashion, so long
> as you don't do anything weird but it's not friendly to people who
> want to do strange stuff. Like use it. 

Meh. Windows does suck big time compared with other operating systems;
but it's not all *that* hard to get it to do what you want.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55635

In article <atrle994iijjg3fc7e84a5b26klvinm6ca@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> On 30 Jan 2014 02:53:46 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 2014-01-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2014.01.29, 13:45 , David Downing wrote:
> >>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
> >>> never had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac.
> >>> I recently bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of
> >>> software that does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from
> >>> my Mac to the PC. So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the
> >>> files to myself as attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and
> >>> downloading the attached files. But there's gotta be a better way
> >>> that involves actually connecting the two computers to each other and
> >>> sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up
> >>> as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so that I could directly
> >>> move files back and forth. How is this done?
> >>
> >> See JR's reply.  I'd add that it's best for the computers to connect via 
> >> a router or smart switch though directly will work too.
> >>
> >> I'll also add that you would have been just as well (better likely) to 
> >> install Windows under a virtualizer (VMWare Fusion or Parallels) right 
> >> on you Mac:
> >>
> >> 1. One machine
> >> 2. Drag and drop from one OS to the other (files, copy/paste)
> >> 3. Less space
> >> 4. Less wiring
> >> 5. Less energy consumption
> >> 6. Add other OS' too (such as Linux) which might be of use once in
> >>     every 9 blue moons that fall on Thursdays.
> >
> >Yep! That's what I do. No need for cheap and crappy PC hardware. Less
> >expensive than purchasing a cheap PC as well. VMWare Fusion is only
> >$59.99, after all.
> 
>  Then you need a valid Windows installation. Anything from 50 bucks to
> a good couple of hundred. 
>  Far easier to load your Windows programs inside Crossover. And it's
> cheaper than 60 bux.
>  A good WINE is even cheaper, but harder for a new guy to use.  

I've tried WINE and Crossover before, and they were useless. Even the
supposedly "compatible" applciations didn't work properly. In one case
someone had to use an Access database (for funding reporting purposes),
and while the database itself was usable for entering and finding data,
the rpoerts simply didn't work - they had to use a USB flash drive with
the database on it in a real, and ancient and slow, Windows PC instead
to get the reports out of it.

Crossover may be better now, but I still wouldn't bother with it. The
only way to be properly compatible with Windows is tho actually have
Windows installed in some way.




>  And please do remember, connecting a WIntel box to a Mac isn't easy.
> Windows *hates* to be networked. Not only that but it loses networks
> easily no matter how you set them up. If you're lucky it will re-find
> them but sometimes not. 
>  Sometimes, something as simple as dropping huge files onto a USB
> stick can kill the network connection. 

Just breathing while using Winodze or looking at the computer in
passing can crash the it, let alone the network connection.  ;-)



>  Networking, in Windows is strictly a last-minute hurried add-on that
> might possibly work when it feels like it. For a few minutes. Swapping
> large files between machines is a pain in the bum. Doing any serious
> work on a Mac from inside a Windows PC is ... not as easy as linking
> *Nixxy or Mac boxes.
>  Also, FAT32 sticks have a 4kilobyte file li.... bugger, of course I
> meant a 4 GIGAByte file limit. That's not big enough for a full
> double-sided DVD movie in AVI format. If you want to USB-stick
> anything bigger you'll need to "Convert" the FS to NTFS. Then you'll
> need to teach your Mac how to read and write NTFS. 
>  Window makes *nothing* easy. It does work, after a fashion, so long
> as you don't do anything weird but it's not friendly to people who
> want to do strange stuff. Like use it. 

Paragon (probably other options too) makes drivers that let you read
from and write to NTFS drives which would get arounfd that filesize
limitation: http://paragon-drivers.com/ntfs-mac

My latest issue of the UK MacFormat magazine I've just picked up from
the shop has an offer to get 25% off the price, but unfortunately due
to the months it takes for the magazine to arrive get down here in New
Zealand, the offer ended on 6 January.  :-(

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#55633

In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
 David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:

> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never 
> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently 
> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that 
> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC. So 
> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as 
> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached 
> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting 
> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd 
> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so 
> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?

Working with a wireless router, I network to my PC using my Mac and the 
PC disk mounts on the mac desktop just like any other external disk 
would. I use a USB KVM switch to use my keyboard, mouse, and monitor for 
both Mac and PC. 
Every now and then the PC gets lost and I have to log it out and then 
log back in to help the mac find it on the network, and rarely I have to 
restart the PC when it gets lost really bad. (this usually occurs due to 
the internet provider going down and interrupting the network.)
Otherwise it's a hunky-dory setup for my purposes.
-- 
Good judgment results from experience, and experience results from bad judgment.

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#55636

In article
<replytome-83DEBA.20021430012014@news.eternal-september.org>, Suze
<replytome@thenewsgroup.com> wrote:
> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
>  David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never 
> > had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently 
> > bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that 
> > does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC.
> > So 
> > far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as 
> > attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached 
> > files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting 
> > the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally,
> > I'd 
> > like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so 
> > that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?
> 
> Working with a wireless router, I network to my PC using my Mac and the 
> PC disk mounts on the mac desktop just like any other external disk 
> would. I use a USB KVM switch to use my keyboard, mouse, and monitor for 
> both Mac and PC. 
> Every now and then the PC gets lost and I have to log it out and then 
> log back in to help the mac find it on the network, and rarely I have to 
> restart the PC when it gets lost really bad. (this usually occurs due to 
> the internet provider going down and interrupting the network.)
> Otherwise it's a hunky-dory setup for my purposes.

Shhh! You'll get in trouble with the know-nothings if you say there are
problems with networking. They believe it's easy and problem-free.  ;-)

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