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  Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 08:28 -0700
    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-30 11:37 -0400
      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 08:55 -0700
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-30 12:33 -0400
          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 09:47 -0700
            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-06-30 18:20 +0100
              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern bknight@conramp.net - 2014-06-30 12:41 -0500
              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-30 17:49 +0000
                Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 10:22 -0400
                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 15:52 +0000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 19:54 -0400
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 00:24 +0000
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 02:37 +0000
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 15:50 -0400
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 20:43 +0000
              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 12:09 -0700
                Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 10:22 -0400
            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 10:22 -0400
              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 16:05 +0000
                Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 19:54 -0400
                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 00:26 +0000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 15:50 -0400
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 20:47 +0000
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-30 21:44 +0000
    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 08:38 -0700
      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 08:59 -0700
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 09:09 -0700
          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 09:25 -0700
      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern bknight@conramp.net - 2014-06-30 11:02 -0500
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 09:09 -0700
      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-06-30 17:17 -0400
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-30 21:38 +0000
          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-06-30 21:50 -0400
            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 02:06 +0000
              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-01 17:49 +1000
                Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 15:39 +0000
                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 16:55 +0100
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-01 08:58 -0700
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 17:04 +0100
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-01 09:15 -0700
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 18:19 +0100
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 17:24 +0000
                              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-07-02 00:46 +0000
                                Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 01:32 +0000
                                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-02 10:00 +0100
                                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 21:27 +1000
                                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 13:23 +0000
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 07:14 +1000
                              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 22:32 +0100
                                Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:40 +1000
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 07:03 +1000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 16:17 +0000
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 18:20 +0100
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-01 10:43 -0700
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-07-02 00:46 +0000
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-01 10:42 -0700
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 18:45 +0000
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 19:54 -0400
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 07:06 +1000
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 21:22 +0000
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:33 +1000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-07-01 12:27 -0400
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 19:54 -0400
                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-01 08:55 -0700
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 06:58 +1000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 19:54 -0400
                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-07-01 12:24 -0400
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 16:28 +0000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 07:10 +1000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 19:54 -0400
                  Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 06:53 +1000
                    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 21:17 +0000
                      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 07:24 +1000
                        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 21:34 +0000
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 22:36 +0100
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:46 +1000
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-01 18:24 -0700
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-01 21:48 -0400
                          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:45 +1000
                            Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 00:35 +0000
                              Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 21:20 +1000
          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 09:04 -0400
          Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 10:22 -0400
      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Neil Ellwood <niel.elllwood2@btinternet.com> - 2014-07-01 03:10 -0500
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-01 07:52 -0700
    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-01 07:10 +1000
    Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2014-07-01 17:20 +0000
      Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-01 11:00 -0700
        Re: Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2014-07-01 18:10 +0000

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#61543 — Apple updating its Maps with user corrections every day at 3 am Eastern

Can't get much more responsive than that.

<http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>

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#61544

In article <300620140828195054%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Can't get much more responsive than that.
> 
> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
> user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>

2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.

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#61546

In article <300620141137037714%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <300620140828195054%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > Can't get much more responsive than that.
> > 
> > <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
> > user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>
> 
> 2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.

Apple has been making corrections all along, so your contention that
they haven't been making any for two years is just plain wrong.

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#61552

In article <300620140855393447%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Can't get much more responsive than that.
> > > 
> > > <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
> > > user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>
> > 
> > 2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.
> 
> Apple has been making corrections all along, so your contention that
> they haven't been making any for two years is just plain wrong.

it's not wrong at all. they've been very slow in fixing map errors.

it's nice that they're now doing it daily but that should have happened
2 years ago when the shitstorm about maps hit.

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#61553

In article <300620141233190303%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <300620140855393447%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > > > Can't get much more responsive than that.
> > > > 
> > > > <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
> > > > user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>
> > > 
> > > 2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.
> > 
> > Apple has been making corrections all along, so your contention that
> > they haven't been making any for two years is just plain wrong.
> 
> it's not wrong at all. they've been very slow in fixing map errors.
> 
> it's nice that they're now doing it daily but that should have happened
> 2 years ago when the shitstorm about maps hit.

The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
and you durn well know that is what I had meant.

Your "they should have done it then" complaint merely shows that you're
a member of the "me generation":  "I want it now! I don't want to have
to wait.  <whine>"

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#61554

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <300620141233190303%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <300620140855393447%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Can't get much more responsive than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
>>>>> user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>
>>>>
>>>> 2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.
>>>
>>> Apple has been making corrections all along, so your contention that
>>> they haven't been making any for two years is just plain wrong.
>>
>> it's not wrong at all. they've been very slow in fixing map errors.
>>
>> it's nice that they're now doing it daily but that should have happened
>> 2 years ago when the shitstorm about maps hit.
>
> The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
> and you durn well know that is what I had meant.
>
> Your "they should have done it then" complaint merely shows that you're
> a member of the "me generation":  "I want it now! I don't want to have
> to wait.  <whine>"
>

That's a major conclusion to draw from such small premises, Michelle. 
And it outstrips all logic while showing a strong prejudice.

Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose 
intended.

Ed

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#61555

On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:20:10 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:

>Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article <300620141233190303%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <300620140855393447%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Can't get much more responsive than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-with-
>>>>>> user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has been making corrections all along, so your contention that
>>>> they haven't been making any for two years is just plain wrong.
>>>
>>> it's not wrong at all. they've been very slow in fixing map errors.
>>>
>>> it's nice that they're now doing it daily but that should have happened
>>> 2 years ago when the shitstorm about maps hit.
>>
>> The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
>> and you durn well know that is what I had meant.
>>
>> Your "they should have done it then" complaint merely shows that you're
>> a member of the "me generation":  "I want it now! I don't want to have
>> to wait.  <whine>"
>>
>
>That's a major conclusion to draw from such small premises, Michelle. 
>And it outstrips all logic while showing a strong prejudice.
>
>Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose 
>intended.

That depends on what one expects from it.  Even a gas station foldout
is usable to a degree.  iMap was not as usable as it should have been
in the instance of the missing highway in Canada.  

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#61557

On 2014-06-30, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
> Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose
> intended.

Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
people.

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JR

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#61601

In article <c1dm8rFjl58U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose
> > intended.
> 
> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
> people.

and not so usable for many others.

google's maps are more accurate plus it has street view, which apple's
maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).

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#61607

On 2014-07-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c1dm8rFjl58U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose
>> > intended.
>> 
>> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
>> people.
>
> and not so usable for many others.

Yes, and the same can be said of Google or any other map service. All
map services have errors of various types and in different locations.
Luckily we have a choice. I choose Apple Maps because it works great and
gets me where I need to go in the locations I frequent.

> google's maps are more accurate 

Certainly not in all cases, and certainly not in all areas. And which is
technically better, by whatever margin, doesn't really interest me when
Apple Maps gets me where I need to go and is usable for its intended
purpose.

>plus it has street view, which apple's
> maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).

I don't need street view, and I'm sure there are many others like me.
Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
people. No amount of your blackballing can change that fact.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#61656

In article <c1g3q7F4erhU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose
> >> > intended.
> >> 
> >> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
> >> people.
> >
> > and not so usable for many others.
> 
> Yes, and the same can be said of Google or any other map service. All
> map services have errors of various types and in different locations.
> Luckily we have a choice. I choose Apple Maps because it works great and
> gets me where I need to go in the locations I frequent.

nobody said you must use any particular maps app.

> > google's maps are more accurate 
> 
> Certainly not in all cases, and certainly not in all areas. 

it' an overall evaluation.

> And which is
> technically better, by whatever margin, doesn't really interest me when
> Apple Maps gets me where I need to go and is usable for its intended
> purpose.
> 
> >plus it has street view, which apple's
> > maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).
> 
> I don't need street view, and I'm sure there are many others like me.

based on what?

street view is exceptionally and something apple will never have.
that's just the way it is,

for those who want street view, apple maps is a non-starter.

flyover is a lame substitute and doesn't cover very many areas and it
never will.

> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
> people. No amount of your blackballing can change that fact.

it's intended purpose is to provide accurate maps and it failed at that.

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#61662

On 2014-07-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c1g3q7F4erhU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose
>> >> > intended.
>> >> 
>> >> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
>> >> people.
>> >
>> > and not so usable for many others.
>> 
>> Yes, and the same can be said of Google or any other map service. All
>> map services have errors of various types and in different locations.
>> Luckily we have a choice. I choose Apple Maps because it works great and
>> gets me where I need to go in the locations I frequent.
>
> nobody said you must use any particular maps app.

i didn't say they did - nice try, no cigar

>> > google's maps are more accurate 
>> 
>> Certainly not in all cases, and certainly not in all areas. 
>
> it' an overall evaluation.

it's an opinion based on your own limited experience, yup

>> And which is
>> technically better, by whatever margin, doesn't really interest me when
>> Apple Maps gets me where I need to go and is usable for its intended
>> purpose.
>> 
>> >plus it has street view, which apple's
>> > maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).
>> 
>> I don't need street view, and I'm sure there are many others like me.
>
> based on what?

based on the fact that *I don't need street view*, duh

> street view is exceptionally and something apple will never have.
> that's just the way it is,

exceptional? hardly. it's only a nice to have for me and many others.

> for those who want street view, apple maps is a non-starter.

i don't want or need it. if i do, google maps is the next icon over.

> flyover is a lame substitute and doesn't cover very many areas and it
> never will.

which doesn't affect its usefulness for me one bit.

>> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
>> people. No amount of your blackballing can change that fact.
>
> it's intended purpose is to provide accurate maps and it failed at that.

for you maybe, but for many, it works just fine, and sometimes better
than google maps, depending on the location.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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#61670

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
 --> 	 2 Jul 2014 00:24:45 GMT <c1h1qcFajm1U1@mid.individual.net>
> On 2014-07-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <c1g3q7F4erhU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> > Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? I mean for the purpose
>>> >> > intended.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
>>> >> people.
>>> >
>>> > and not so usable for many others.
>>> 
>>> Yes, and the same can be said of Google or any other map service. All
>>> map services have errors of various types and in different locations.
>>> Luckily we have a choice. I choose Apple Maps because it works great and
>>> gets me where I need to go in the locations I frequent.
>>
>> nobody said you must use any particular maps app.

> i didn't say they did - nice try, no cigar

>>> > google's maps are more accurate 
>>> 
>>> Certainly not in all cases, and certainly not in all areas. 
>>
>> it' an overall evaluation.

> it's an opinion based on your own limited experience, yup

>>> And which is
>>> technically better, by whatever margin, doesn't really interest me when
>>> Apple Maps gets me where I need to go and is usable for its intended
>>> purpose.
>>> 
>>> >plus it has street view, which apple's
>>> > maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).
>>> 
>>> I don't need street view, and I'm sure there are many others like me.
>>
>> based on what?

> based on the fact that *I don't need street view*, duh

>> street view is exceptionally and something apple will never have.
>> that's just the way it is,

> exceptional? hardly. it's only a nice to have for me and many others.

I have never used Street View for anything other than "Hey, neat-o!"


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#61763

In article <c1h1qcFajm1U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > google's maps are more accurate 
> >> 
> >> Certainly not in all cases, and certainly not in all areas. 
> >
> > it' an overall evaluation.
> 
> it's an opinion based on your own limited experience, yup

it's not my opinion or anyone elses opinion. it's reality. 

google has more accurate maps overall, with a *lot* more people working
on maps than apple does, and has been for a *lot* longer.

apple's maps are not horrible (nobody ever said they were) but they are
not as accurate as google's and will remain less accurate for a very
long time. 

> >> And which is
> >> technically better, by whatever margin, doesn't really interest me when
> >> Apple Maps gets me where I need to go and is usable for its intended
> >> purpose.
> >> 
> >> >plus it has street view, which apple's
> >> > maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).
> >> 
> >> I don't need street view, and I'm sure there are many others like me.
> >
> > based on what?
> 
> based on the fact that *I don't need street view*, duh

you can tell that others don't need street view because you don't???

that's pure bullshit.

> > street view is exceptionally and something apple will never have.
> > that's just the way it is,
> 
> exceptional? hardly. it's only a nice to have for me and many others.

i meant to say exceptionally useful, and indeed it is for *many* people.

in any event, you have *no* idea how many people want or don't want
street view, other than yourself.

> > for those who want street view, apple maps is a non-starter.
> 
> i don't want or need it. if i do, google maps is the next icon over.

apple and google aren't making software for you personally.

> > flyover is a lame substitute and doesn't cover very many areas and it
> > never will.
> 
> which doesn't affect its usefulness for me one bit.

but it does for the rest of the world where it doesn't cover the
desired area, or for those who want street view.

> >> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
> >> people. No amount of your blackballing can change that fact.
> >
> > it's intended purpose is to provide accurate maps and it failed at that.
> 
> for you maybe,

for everyone.

apple publicly apologized for how bad their maps are.

> but for many, it works just fine, and sometimes better
> than google maps, depending on the location.

nobody said otherwise.

however, apple's maps are likely to be worse for a given area because
the data overall is worse.

apple admits it's not as good. why can't you?

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#61777

On 2014-07-04, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c1h1qcFajm1U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > google's maps are more accurate 
>> >> 
>> >> Certainly not in all cases, and certainly not in all areas. 
>> >
>> > it' an overall evaluation.
>> 
>> it's an opinion based on your own limited experience, yup
>
> it's not my opinion or anyone elses opinion. it's reality. 

...in your opinion, yep. : )

> google has more accurate maps overall, with a *lot* more people working
> on maps than apple does, and has been for a *lot* longer.

Now provide evidence showing your assertion is factually correct, or
we'll just assume you are neither right or wrong, but simply talking out
of your ass.

> apple's maps are not horrible (nobody ever said they were) but they are
> not as accurate as google's and will remain less accurate for a very
> long time. 

More opinion stated as fact - typical for you.

>> >> And which is
>> >> technically better, by whatever margin, doesn't really interest me when
>> >> Apple Maps gets me where I need to go and is usable for its intended
>> >> purpose.
>> >> 
>> >> >plus it has street view, which apple's
>> >> > maps sorely lacks and never will get (flyover is not a substitute).
>> >> 
>> >> I don't need street view, and I'm sure there are many others like me.
>> >
>> > based on what?
>> 
>> based on the fact that *I don't need street view*, duh
>
> you can tell that others don't need street view because you don't???

That's not what I said - nice try at a troll. What I said is I don't
need Street View, and I'm sure there are many others like me. I could be
wrong, but I doubt it.

>> > street view is exceptionally and something apple will never have.
>> > that's just the way it is,
>> 
>> exceptional? hardly. it's only a nice to have for me and many others.
>
> i meant to say exceptionally useful, and indeed it is for *many* people.

And it's not for me and others. You've changed nothing.

> in any event, you have *no* idea how many people want or don't want
> street view, other than yourself.

I don't claim to know. I can speculate that there are many others out
there who, like me, don't need Street View.

>> > for those who want street view, apple maps is a non-starter.
>> 
>> i don't want or need it. if i do, google maps is the next icon over.
>
> apple and google aren't making software for you personally.

Like I care. You have changed nothing.

>> > flyover is a lame substitute and doesn't cover very many areas and it
>> > never will.
>> 
>> which doesn't affect its usefulness for me one bit.
>
> but it does for the rest of the world where it doesn't cover the
> desired area, or for those who want street view.

I don't care.

>> >> Maps has been usable for the intended purpose since day one for many
>> >> people. No amount of your blackballing can change that fact.
>> >
>> > it's intended purpose is to provide accurate maps and it failed at that.
>> 
>> for you maybe,
>
> for everyone.

Wrong. Apple Maps has provided accurate maps for me in the areas I
frequent since the very beginning. And I've read reports from others
saying that Apple Maps has been accurate for them as well. So I'm not
alone. So no, not "for everyone".

> apple publicly apologized for how bad their maps are.

The fact that Apple publicly apologized does not magically mean the
everyone on planet Earth found Apple Maps to be inaccurate or unusable.
You've failed at basic logic.

>> but for many, it works just fine, and sometimes better
>> than google maps, depending on the location.
>
> nobody said otherwise.

nospam: "it's intended purpose is to provide accurate maps and it failed at
that"
me: "for you maybe"
nospam: "for everyone"

> however, apple's maps are likely to be worse for a given area because
> the data overall is worse.

Prove it, or I call bullshit.

> apple admits it's not as good. why can't you?

Show me where Apple said that Apple Maps isn't as good as Google Maps,
or I call bullshit.

Now you'll no doubt claim you have already provided "proof" in the form
of your own personal _opinions_, because that's what you do.

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#61562

In article <los690$bpm$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> > The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
> > and you durn well know that is what I had meant.
> >
> > Your "they should have done it then" complaint merely shows that you're
> > a member of the "me generation":  "I want it now! I don't want to have
> > to wait.  <whine>"
> >
> 
> That's a major conclusion to draw from such small premises, Michelle. 
> And it outstrips all logic while showing a strong prejudice.

I posted a link to a report that says that Apple is updating maps,
based on user input, daily, as contrasted to weekly as it had been
doing, and commented that you can't get much more responsive than that
(clearly meaning daily updates).  Nospam replied that it's not
responsive because Apple should have been providing daily updates two
years ago, clearly and most likely deliberately missing my point.

> Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? 

Absolutely.

> I mean for the purpose intended.

Of course.

It hasn't been perfect, but it was getting better all through those two
years.  No consumer mapping program is perfect.

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#61600

In article <300620141209512605%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
> > > and you durn well know that is what I had meant.
> > >
> > > Your "they should have done it then" complaint merely shows that you're
> > > a member of the "me generation":  "I want it now! I don't want to have
> > > to wait.  <whine>"
> > >
> > 
> > That's a major conclusion to draw from such small premises, Michelle. 
> > And it outstrips all logic while showing a strong prejudice.
> 
> I posted a link to a report that says that Apple is updating maps,
> based on user input, daily, as contrasted to weekly as it had been
> doing, and commented that you can't get much more responsive than that
> (clearly meaning daily updates).  Nospam replied that it's not
> responsive because Apple should have been providing daily updates two
> years ago, clearly and most likely deliberately missing my point.

i didn't miss anything. it's great that it's now daily but the point is
that they should have been doing daily updates starting 2 years ago.

> > Has Maps been usable at all in those two years? 
> 
> Absolutely.

not for everyone and it's still not as accurate as google maps.

> > I mean for the purpose intended.
> 
> Of course.

except for those who find errors.

> It hasn't been perfect, but it was getting better all through those two
> years.  No consumer mapping program is perfect.

nobody said anything was perfect.

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#61602

In article <300620140947521414%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > > Can't get much more responsive than that.
> > > >
> > > > > <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/30/apple-updating-its-maps-wit
> > > > > h-
> > > > > user-corrections-every-day-at-3-am-eastern>
> > > > 
> > > > 2 years overdue is not exactly 'responsive'.
> > > 
> > > Apple has been making corrections all along, so your contention that
> > > they haven't been making any for two years is just plain wrong.
> > 
> > it's not wrong at all. they've been very slow in fixing map errors.
> > 
> > it's nice that they're now doing it daily but that should have happened
> > 2 years ago when the shitstorm about maps hit.
> 
> The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
> and you durn well know that is what I had meant.

they waited two years to go daily.

that should have been done 2 years ago, which would have given users a
sense of confidence that they were actually doing something.

> Your "they should have done it then" complaint merely shows that you're
> a member of the "me generation":  "I want it now! I don't want to have
> to wait.  <whine>"

nonsense.

the problems with maps have been known for over 2 years.

why did they wait so long to implement daily updates?

you said 'can't get more responsive than that' and yes, they can and
didn't.

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#61612

On 2014-07-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <300620140947521414%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
>> and you durn well know that is what I had meant.
>
> they waited two years to go daily.

and, seriously, folks, thank the gods that we have nospam here to hold
grudges against apple and continually remind us of this! see, this way
we will never have to worry about forgetting it! nospam is doing us a
wonderful service!

> that should have been done 2 years ago, which would have given users a
> sense of confidence that they were actually doing something.

and if the rest of the world would just remain in the past holding
grudges like nospam, this might actually matter to us too! instead, lots
of us are happily using Apple Maps as if these problems don't affect us!
to nospam, this cannot be. cant we see the light? nospam must *really*
want us to see it to bring this up over and over again!  wtf is wrong
with us? clearly we know no better and apple has us fooled or something! 

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#61659

In article <c1g4iiF4erhU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> The fact is that they can't be much more responsive than they are now,
> >> and you durn well know that is what I had meant.
> >
> > they waited two years to go daily.
> 
> and, seriously, folks, thank the gods that we have nospam here to hold
> grudges against apple and continually remind us of this! see, this way
> we will never have to worry about forgetting it! nospam is doing us a
> wonderful service!
> 
> > that should have been done 2 years ago, which would have given users a
> > sense of confidence that they were actually doing something.
> 
> and if the rest of the world would just remain in the past holding
> grudges like nospam, this might actually matter to us too! instead, lots
> of us are happily using Apple Maps as if these problems don't affect us!
> to nospam, this cannot be. cant we see the light? nospam must *really*
> want us to see it to bring this up over and over again!  wtf is wrong
> with us? clearly we know no better and apple has us fooled or something!

it's not a grudge. apple mismanaged maps. it's that simple.

this is a fact, no matter how much you want to deny it. not only did
apple apologize for screwing it up, but it also cost scott forstall his
job along with many other people.

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