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  How about Aldus PageMaker? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-26 23:38 +0000
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-26 19:48 -0400
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-27 12:07 +1200
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 18:37 -0700
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 08:26 -0400
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-28 09:25 +0000
      Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-28 02:41 -0700
        Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-29 01:04 -0700
          Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-29 08:57 -0700
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-29 09:04 -0700
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 13:27 -0400
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 10:52 -0700
                Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 14:15 -0400
                  Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 11:38 -0700
                    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 15:16 -0400
                      Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 12:55 -0700
                  Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 09:38 +1200
                    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:37 -0400
                      Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 13:50 +1200
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 09:35 +1200
                Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:34 -0400
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 09:44 +1200
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-29 17:48 -0700
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 13:51 +1200
          Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 13:21 -0400
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 10:54 -0700

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#74476

On 15-04-29 17:35, Your Name wrote:

> I don't know about the newer versions of InDesign, but at least in
> InDesign 2 there's no Build Booklet feature - that was a great time
> saver in PageMaker,


Ahh yes. I used to user that feature to get an association membership
directory printed and it was really neat at the end to generate the 2
sided bookelt that I would give to the printer who would assemble and
stable/fold the booklets (with colour cardboard cover).

I don't miss this feature because I don't need it anymore.

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#74474

In article <5541148c$0$54721$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-29 11:57, heron stone wrote:
> > i'm curious
> > 
> > in what specific way(s) is PM better than ID
> 
> -Placing/scaling of images
> 
> -automatic flow of text, and automatic creation of as many pages are
> required when to place text on first page.
> 
> Those are the first 2 things that pop out when you ask. It has been a
> while since I last used PageMarkr so I may have forgotten a few.

Another one (again at least in InDesign 2) is selecting objects that
are stacked.

For example, if you have some text or rectangle-frame placed over a
colour filled rectangle. In PageMaker, clicking on an empty area of the
text box or frame-rectangle would select the colour-filled rectangle.
In InDesign it will always select the top-most element. This can be
highly annoying if you have a rectangular frame above some text, if you
try to edit the text, InDesign will change the rectangular frame into a
Text frame instead of editing the real text frame underneath.   :-(

You can of course use the modifier keys to select objects further down
the stack, but it's an annoying and unnecessary extra step.

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#74482

how interesting that people who cite PM's superiority to ID are
comparing it to version 2

and they are right

i didn't switch to ID until version three was released which solved the
problems everyone is citing

come on people...  it's now up to version 10

i can find nothing in ID that is not superior to PM

or if not superior, simply a different way to accomplish the task

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#74488

In article <290420151748050794%heron@invalid.invalid>, heron stone
<heron@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
> how interesting that people who cite PM's superiority to ID are
> comparing it to version 2
> 
> and they are right
> 
> i didn't switch to ID until version three was released which solved the
> problems everyone is citing
> 
> come on people...  it's now up to version 10
> 
> i can find nothing in ID that is not superior to PM
> 
> or if not superior, simply a different way to accomplish the task

"People" aren't.

It was only me who said version 2 since that is what I have and use the
most. I have used some newer versions at other places, although I
couldn't tell you what number they were. Those newer versions also
suffered some of the same problems (such as selecting the "wrong"
objects stacked when they are above each other).

PageMaker of course also had faults, especially once Adobe bought it
and started mucking about making it over-bloated.

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#74456

On 15-04-29 04:04, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

>> PageMaker is a great advance on its successor.
> 
> If you manage your workflow properly Pagemaker is still *THE VERY BEST* 
> DTP software on the market.  Nothing else even comes close.

I have to say that I have gotten used to InDesign and don't reminisce so
much about oss of Page Maker. Perhaps because for the uses I have of the
software, InDesign does work.  But I do miss functions such as automatic
placement (nd when you added a new page, it automatically created the
text box in it etc)

Also, placing images is very ackward in InDesign (but perhaps because I
place an image and then scale it, maybe I should try creating an image
box and then pasting image in it.  And whenever you resize the bot, you
have to go to Object->Fitting->scale image to fix box.  In PageMaker,
you could resize an image naturally.


The other software I miss is Freehand.  Illustrator is less natural to
use and I keep having to go to google for help for stuff I don't do often.

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#74461

On 2015-04-29 17:21:04 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 15-04-29 04:04, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> 
>>> PageMaker is a great advance on its successor.
>> 
>> If you manage your workflow properly Pagemaker is still *THE VERY BEST*
>> DTP software on the market.  Nothing else even comes close.
> 
> I have to say that I have gotten used to InDesign and don't reminisce so
> much about oss of Page Maker. Perhaps because for the uses I have of the
> software, InDesign does work.  But I do miss functions such as automatic
> placement (nd when you added a new page, it automatically created the
> text box in it etc)
> 
> Also, placing images is very ackward in InDesign (but perhaps because I
> place an image and then scale it, maybe I should try creating an image
> box and then pasting image in it.  And whenever you resize the bot, you
> have to go to Object->Fitting->scale image to fix box.  In PageMaker,
> you could resize an image naturally.
> 
> 
> The other software I miss is Freehand.  Illustrator is less natural to
> use and I keep having to go to google for help for stuff I don't do often.

I definitely miss Freehand. It's UI semantics for selecting and for 
creating clipping masks (among many things) were far, FAR better than 
Illustrator's were and are.

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