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  Running Four Different OS's M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-12-23 23:35 -0500
    Re: Running Four Different OS's Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-24 18:23 +1300
    Re: Running Four Different OS's sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 05:23 +0000
      Re: Running Four Different OS's Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:15 +0000
    Re: Running Four Different OS's Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> - 2014-12-23 21:34 -0800
      Re: Running Four Different OS's Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:15 +0000
        Re: Running Four Different OS's M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-12-24 20:46 -0500
          Re: Running Four Different OS's Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-24 22:54 -0800
            Re: Running Four Different OS's M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-12-25 07:24 -0500
              Re: Running Four Different OS's Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-25 06:45 -0800
                Re: Running Four Different OS's Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-26 10:21 +1300
                  Re: Running Four Different OS's M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-12-25 18:24 -0500
                    Re: Running Four Different OS's Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-26 13:58 +1300
                    Re: Running Four Different OS's ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-12-28 02:38 +0100
                      Re: Running Four Different OS's Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-28 17:29 +1300
                  Re: Running Four Different OS's Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-26 08:52 -0500
    Re: Running Four Different OS's Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-24 07:39 -0500
    Re: Running Four Different OS's Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-24 06:22 -0800
    Re: Running Four Different OS's ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-12-28 02:20 +0100

#67787 — Running Four Different OS's

Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg

10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

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#67791

In article <231220142335469947%nospam@ny.more>, M-M <nospam@ny.more>
wrote:
> 
> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
> 
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
> 
> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
> Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

A measley four?!?! ;-)

You should be able to get way more than that, especially if you include
emulators for things like the 680x0 Mac, Apple II, Amiga, Atari ST,
Gameboy, Gameboy Color, etc. ... assuming you can fit them all
on-screen to get a screenshot.

OR you can go the other way to multi-OSes by running recursive OSes,
e.g. having a modern Mac running an old Mac OS emulation, which is
running an Amiga emulator, which is emulating a Mac.

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#67792

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:35:46 -0500, M-M wrote:

> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
> 
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
> 
> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in Sheepshaver
> and Yosemite is native.

Where's OS/2?

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#67814

Okay, so one time? In band camp? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> was all, like:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:35:46 -0500, M-M wrote:

>> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
>> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
>> 
>> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
>> 
>> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in Sheepshaver
>> and Yosemite is native.

> Where's OS/2?

1994?

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#67793

In article <231220142335469947%nospam@ny.more>, M-M <nospam@ny.more> 
wrote:

> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
> 
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
> 
> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
> Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

OK, this is fun.

<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20247393/TooManyOSs.png>

I've got System 6.0.8 in vMac, Mac OS 8.1 in Basilisk, Mac OS 9.04 on 
SheepShaver, Lubuntu Utopic in VirtualBox, all running under Yosemite.

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#67815

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> was all, like:
> In article <231220142335469947%nospam@ny.more>, M-M <nospam@ny.more> 
> wrote:

>> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
>> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
>> 
>> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
>> 
>> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
>> Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

> OK, this is fun.

> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20247393/TooManyOSs.png>

> I've got System 6.0.8 in vMac, Mac OS 8.1 in Basilisk, Mac OS 9.04 on 
> SheepShaver, Lubuntu Utopic in VirtualBox, all running under
> Yosemite.I

What? No ProDos? GEOS?


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which was this: if Teatime wanted to find you he would not look
everywhere. He'd look in only one place, which would be the place where
you were hiding. --Hogfather

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#67816

In article <slrnm9mlqj.ps.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > OK, this is fun.
> 
> > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20247393/TooManyOSs.png>

One more. 7.6 in 10.1:

http://mhmyers.home.comcast.net/webdir/temp/7.6-10.1.jpg

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#67827

On 12/24/2014 5:46 PM PT, M-M typed:

>>> OK, this is fun.
>>
>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20247393/TooManyOSs.png>
>
> One more. 7.6 in 10.1:
>
> http://mhmyers.home.comcast.net/webdir/temp/7.6-10.1.jpg

What did you use to run that?
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#67829

In article <Ab6dnXxrj90WKQbJnZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 12/24/2014 5:46 PM PT, M-M typed:
> 
> >>> OK, this is fun.
> >>
> >>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20247393/TooManyOSs.png>
> >
> > One more. 7.6 in 10.1:
> >
> > http://mhmyers.home.comcast.net/webdir/temp/7.6-10.1.jpg
> 
> What did you use to run that?

Sheepshaver. I have startup disks for Systems 7, 8 and 9. A blast from
the past.

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#67830

On 12/25/2014 4:24 AM PT, M-M typed:

> Sheepshaver. I have startup disks for Systems 7, 8 and 9. A blast from
> the past.

That's neat, and it's free. I notice the newer VM softwares, like VMware 
and VirtualBox, do not do classic Mac OSes. :)
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#67854

In article <FuudnU7IOJtkvwHJnZ2dnUU7-X2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 12/25/2014 4:24 AM PT, M-M typed:
> > 
> > Sheepshaver. I have startup disks for Systems 7, 8 and 9. A blast from
> > the past.
> 
> That's neat, and it's free. I notice the newer VM softwares, like VMware 
> and VirtualBox, do not do classic Mac OSes. :)

Virtualisation uses the computers own chip, so software like VMWare,
Virtual Box, and Parallels can only run Intel-based OSes and software.

Emulation translates the code from one chip to another, so software
like Sheepshaver, vMac Mini, Boycott / Boycott Advance, Power64, etc.
can run OSes and software from non-Intel systems.

Emulation is usually slower than virtualisation (obviously emulating an
old system like C64 on a brand new iMac is more than fast enough), but
virtulisation is also slower than running it natively (i.e. using Boot
Camp).

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#67860

In article <261220141021311505%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <FuudnU7IOJtkvwHJnZ2dnUU7-X2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > On 12/25/2014 4:24 AM PT, M-M typed:
> > > 
> > > Sheepshaver. I have startup disks for Systems 7, 8 and 9. A blast from
> > > the past.
> > 
> > That's neat, and it's free. I notice the newer VM softwares, like VMware 
> > and VirtualBox, do not do classic Mac OSes. :)
> 
> Virtualisation uses the computers own chip, so software like VMWare,
> Virtual Box, and Parallels can only run Intel-based OSes and software.
> 
> Emulation translates the code from one chip to another, so software
> like Sheepshaver, vMac Mini, Boycott / Boycott Advance, Power64, etc.
> can run OSes and software from non-Intel systems.
> 
> Emulation is usually slower than virtualisation (obviously emulating an
> old system like C64 on a brand new iMac is more than fast enough), but
> virtulisation is also slower than running it natively (i.e. using Boot
> Camp).

System 7, 8 and 9 in Sheepshaver are _much_ faster than they ever were
in the old 68040's.

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#67862

In article <251220141824409831%nospam@ny.more>, M-M <nospam@ny.more>
wrote:
> In article <261220141021311505%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <FuudnU7IOJtkvwHJnZ2dnUU7-X2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> > <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > > On 12/25/2014 4:24 AM PT, M-M typed:
> > > > 
> > > > Sheepshaver. I have startup disks for Systems 7, 8 and 9. A blast from
> > > > the past.
> > > 
> > > That's neat, and it's free. I notice the newer VM softwares, like VMware 
> > > and VirtualBox, do not do classic Mac OSes. :)
> > 
> > Virtualisation uses the computers own chip, so software like VMWare,
> > Virtual Box, and Parallels can only run Intel-based OSes and software.
> > 
> > Emulation translates the code from one chip to another, so software
> > like Sheepshaver, vMac Mini, Boycott / Boycott Advance, Power64, etc.
> > can run OSes and software from non-Intel systems.
> > 
> > Emulation is usually slower than virtualisation (obviously emulating an
> > old system like C64 on a brand new iMac is more than fast enough), but
> > virtulisation is also slower than running it natively (i.e. using Boot
> > Camp).
> 
> System 7, 8 and 9 in Sheepshaver are _much_ faster than they ever were
> in the old 68040's.

For things like games that extra speed can be a nuisance and make them
completely unplayable. Sometimes you can use a "slow down" application
like G4 Throttle that sits in the background and basically just hogs
processor time. 

The Power64 (Commodore 64 emulator), Power20 (VIC20 emulator), and
Catakig (Apple II emulator) all run at approximately the normal speed
of those old computers, but also have a "Boost" option that makes use
of the faster Mac chips to speed them up (which is handy for some of
the long-winded loading times of some games even from disk images).

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#67900

M-M wrote:
> System 7, 8 and 9 in Sheepshaver are _much_ faster than they ever were
> in the old 68040's.

What about the PPC versions of 7.x, 8.x and 9.x? - I also thought this 
until I got really familiar with the use of ResEdit. After this I 
modified some of the OS 8.x and 9.x version - especially 8.6, 9.0.4, 9.1 
and 9.2.x by allocating more internal memory to each and every possible 
part of the systems.

This indeed increased both speed and performance. My 'monster' is a 
completely modified OS 9.2.2 running bootable on a MDD 1,25ghz, but it 
also swollows apprx. 140mb of memory to the system.:-) - Some app 
versions are just as fast as the same versions on my MacPro1.1 - such as 
AppleWorks 6.2.x, Freehand MX 11.x, Photoshop CS1, Canvas 8 and more...

And until today the 'Monster 9.2.2' has never had an unprovoked freeze 
or breakdown...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#67904

In article <m7nmua$1gg$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:
> M-M wrote:
> > System 7, 8 and 9 in Sheepshaver are _much_ faster than they ever were
> > in the old 68040's.
> 
> What about the PPC versions of 7.x, 8.x and 9.x? - I also thought this 
> until I got really familiar with the use of ResEdit. After this I 
> modified some of the OS 8.x and 9.x version - especially 8.6, 9.0.4, 9.1 
> and 9.2.x by allocating more internal memory to each and every possible 
> part of the systems.
> 
> This indeed increased both speed and performance. My 'monster' is a 
> completely modified OS 9.2.2 running bootable on a MDD 1,25ghz, but it 
> also swollows apprx. 140mb of memory to the system.:-) - Some app 
> versions are just as fast as the same versions on my MacPro1.1 - such as 
> AppleWorks 6.2.x, Freehand MX 11.x, Photoshop CS1, Canvas 8 and more...
> 
> And until today the 'Monster 9.2.2' has never had an unprovoked freeze 
> or breakdown...

Mac OS 8 / 9 is often as quick, if not quicker, at running the same
applications (including the Finder) than the early versions of Mac OS
X. That's because Mac OS X has a lot of silly overhead for processor
time like drop shadows, transparency, etc.

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#67867

On 2014.12.25 16:21 , Your Name wrote:

> old system like C64 on a brand new iMac is more than fast enough), but
> virtulisation is also slower than running it natively (i.e. using Boot
> Camp).

Virtualization is not enough slower than native to notice - at least on 
the more recent multicore platforms.  The CPU's are not loaded often to 
the hilt so there are gobs of available CPU cycles to run the hypervisor 
and the guest OS.


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#67796

On 2014.12.23 23:35 , M-M wrote:
> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
>
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
>
> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
> Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

I've run OS X + WinXP + Ubuntu + OpenSUSE all at once.  Not that I have 
a need for all 4 ... just ... because.  I have no current use for Linux 
at all, actually.  Windows is just good to have for a couple old, useful 
apps.


-- 
<< Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
                       "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA

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#67798

On 12/23/2014 8:35 PM PT, M-M typed:

> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
>
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
>
> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
> Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

How about multiple boots of various OSes on the drive? ;) Yeah, you can 
only use a single OS at a time. :P
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#67898

M-M wrote:
> Here is a screenshot showing Mac OSX 10.10.1, OSX 10.6.8, Mac OS 9.0.4
> and Windows 7 all running together, and all without a hitch:
>
> http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eq6xw1.jpg
>
> 10.6.8 and Windows are running in VMWare Fusion, 9.0.4 is in
> Sheepshaver and Yosemite is native.

Should that be something to write home about.:-)? - On my old 
QuickSilver CPU upgraded to 2x1,8ghz I ran OS X 10.3.x, 10.4.x, 10.5.x + 
9.2.2 - all fully bootable...

On my oldest MacPro1.1 Xeon 4x2,66ghz, I have had OS X 10.4.11, 10.5,8, 
10.6.8, 10.7.5 and Windows XPPro SP3. - All were fully bootalbe until 
the Windows disk burned off, so now that one is only running in a WM 
through ParallelsDesktop... - And I have reduced the systems now to only 
10.5.8, 10.6,8 + Win XPPro. And my newer MacPro1.1 Xeon 4x3,0ghz will be 
running only 10.6.8, 10.7.5 + Win7 Ultimate. The 10.4.x and 10.5.x will 
then only be on a MDD along with a bootable OS 9.2.2...

A friend of mine who is a professional Mac supporter (lots of phone 
support) is - for the moment - running OS X 10.6.x, 10,7.x, 10,8,x and 
10.9.x + Windows 7 Pro + latest version of OS X Server on his MacPro5.1 
HyperThread. I don't recall whether it's 10.8.x or 10.9.x he's using as 
main system, but the rest of the sytems are running through 
ParallesDesktop. - Just a click and he's in a new system.:-)

Cheers, and a happyNew Year
Erik Richard

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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