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| Started by | John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> |
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| First post | 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-20 14:57 -0500 |
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Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 22:27 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 00:09 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2014-01-19 09:58 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:17 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 04:59 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 19:30 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-19 15:32 -0600
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:12 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:14 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-19 19:12 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 18:15 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 00:29 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 19:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 01:25 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:13 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 15:22 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:25 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 19:28 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:13 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:29 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:57 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:12 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-21 23:13 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 21:51 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:33 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 22:48 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:43 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:56 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 01:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 19:35 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 03:29 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:13 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:22 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:22 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 19:40 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 16:53 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:30 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 23:48 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:11 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 13:21 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:56 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 12:35 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:24 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-22 17:47 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:02 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 19:45 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:19 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:34 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:26 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 12:35 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-23 05:48 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 16:09 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:08 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:37 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:24 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-23 01:04 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 19:15 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-23 03:16 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:19 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:15 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:16 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2014-01-22 09:43 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 17:22 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:25 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 16:10 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:34 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:36 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:48 +1300
Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 00:56 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 03:37 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-19 20:25 +1100
Re: Being tracked on the web Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 14:20 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:26 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 13:27 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 11:02 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-19 16:08 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-19 08:24 -0800
Re: Being tracked on the web Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-19 12:43 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-19 12:46 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:03 +0000
Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-19 13:49 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:12 -0500
Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-20 14:57 -0500
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 16:53 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <220120141653550500%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55181 |
In article <lbn420$v1f$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: <snip> > > You say they need tin-foil hats. Gosh, I don't know who to believe! Whatever pleases your tiny deluded mind. :-\
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 16:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bkaa0hF6jn8U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55182 |
On 2014-01-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <lbn420$v1f$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> > wrote: ><snip> >> >> You say they need tin-foil hats. Gosh, I don't know who to believe! > > Whatever pleases your tiny deluded mind. :-\ That seems to be your hard-headed boilerplate reply for any situation where you steadfastly disagree with someone. Pretty closed-minded, boring behavior you have there. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-21 23:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #55180 |
On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no electricity > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. :-\ While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was barred from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due to delays. So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at that airport on that date). It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. Consider the canadian Maher Arar who was abducted by Bush's goon squad and sent to Syria to be tortured, all that because the canadian RCMP had shared its files with CIA where it was noted this guy had had some contacts with some dude suspected of being a terrorist. All tin foil hat until it happens to you. The problem with all this collection of data and sharing of data is that errors and misinterpretation becomes way too easy when some computer flags a person for having said the word "bomb" without understanding the context of the statement.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 18:11 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <220120141811442655%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55183 |
In article <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: > > > > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no electricity > > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. :-\ > > While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was barred > from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about > blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due to > delays. > > > So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a > passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at that > airport on that date). > > It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. The Twitter account likely had his name on it AND it was flagged by "terrorist activity" wording. Whether he was joking or not, it's better to be safe. Again, this was not a normal, everyday person doing simple Google searches, visiting websites, etc. When you perform a Google search, Google does not and cannot know anything about you, let alone bother to share it even if they wanted to waste such massive amounts of time doing so. :-\
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| From | Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 13:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bk9uttF48emU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55184 |
On 2014-01-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: >> > >> > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no electricity >> > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. :-\ >> >> While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was barred >> from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about >> blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due to >> delays. >> >> >> So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a >> passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at that >> airport on that date). >> >> It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. > > The Twitter account likely had his name on it AND it was flagged by > "terrorist activity" wording. Whether he was joking or not, it's better > to be safe. > > Again, this was not a normal, everyday person doing simple Google > searches, visiting websites, etc. When you perform a Google search, > Google does not and cannot know anything about you, let alone bother to > share it even if they wanted to waste such massive amounts of time > doing so. :-\ Bullshit. The Google Analytics tracker is installed on almost every website you visit. It, along with dozens of other trackers track what websites you visit and what pages you view. Visit <http://www.abine.com/donottrackme/faq/2/> for some additional info on tracking companies.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 08:56 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <230120140856465666%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55190 |
In article <bk9uttF48emU1@mid.individual.net>, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2014-01-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: > >> > > >> > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no electricity > >> > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. :-\ > >> > >> While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was barred > >> from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about > >> blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due to > >> delays. > >> > >> So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a > >> passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at that > >> airport on that date). > >> > >> It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. > > > > The Twitter account likely had his name on it AND it was flagged by > > "terrorist activity" wording. Whether he was joking or not, it's better > > to be safe. > > > > Again, this was not a normal, everyday person doing simple Google > > searches, visiting websites, etc. When you perform a Google search, > > Google does not and cannot know anything about you, let alone bother to > > share it even if they wanted to waste such massive amounts of time > > doing so. :-\ > > Bullshit. The Google Analytics tracker is installed on almost every website > you visit. It, along with dozens of other trackers track what websites you > visit and what pages you view. > > Visit <http://www.abine.com/donottrackme/faq/2/> for some additional info on > tracking companies. And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely no personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the computer / device is doing. These nutters who claim their personal information is being sold to other companies simply because they are browsing websites, etc. are simply moronic idiots who have no idea what they're talking about.
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 12:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lbpa21$2d1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55196 |
In article <230120140856465666%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <bk9uttF48emU1@mid.individual.net>, Tom Stiller > <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2014-01-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF > > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > >> On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: > > >> > > > >> > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no electricity > > >> > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. :-\ > > >> > > >> While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was barred > > >> from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about > > >> blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due to > > >> delays. > > >> > > >> So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a > > >> passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at that > > >> airport on that date). > > >> > > >> It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. > > > > > > The Twitter account likely had his name on it AND it was flagged by > > > "terrorist activity" wording. Whether he was joking or not, it's better > > > to be safe. > > > > > > Again, this was not a normal, everyday person doing simple Google > > > searches, visiting websites, etc. When you perform a Google search, > > > Google does not and cannot know anything about you, let alone bother to > > > share it even if they wanted to waste such massive amounts of time > > > doing so. :-\ > > > > Bullshit. The Google Analytics tracker is installed on almost every website > > you visit. It, along with dozens of other trackers track what websites you > > visit and what pages you view. > > > > Visit <http://www.abine.com/donottrackme/faq/2/> for some additional info on > > tracking companies. > > And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely no > personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the computer / > device is doing. These nutters who claim their personal information is > being sold to other companies simply because they are browsing > websites, etc. are simply moronic idiots who have no idea what they're > talking about. So you've apparently forgotten how easy it is to do something like.... Aha... machine XYZ, which we installed a unique ID cookie on last week when they visited feefiefoe.com has just landed on this other website, Englishgiant.org. We do analysis on that one, too, so we know it's the same machine because we queried the cookies it has, and guess what came back? Yep, The ID that was set by site feefiefoe.com. Oh, and look... They used a credit card to order a copy of "How to avoid NSA Tracking". OK, so now we'll start pumping ads about identity protection at them. Oh, and look! From there, they went to this blog about privacy - Oh, goodie! We own the site the blog runs on, so we can get *EVERYTHING* they say and know what they read! Hmmm... they're reading about privacy again - More identity protection scheme ads... Oh, and bonus! They commented on one of the blog posts after logging in with their facebook account. OK, so now we know the id cookie we set is on a machine likely owned - definitely at least used - by Mr. Bill Smith, with CC number XXXXXXXX, and we know he's worried about privacy, and... From there, how many more steps do you think it takes before they, (not the tinfoil hat brigade's "they", but "whoever might be interested") know everything but the length of Mr. Smith's dick? Hint: Not very bloody many. With what they've got from just 4-5 website visits, they've got all they need to do everything but tell you his hair color - and maybe even that. But since you're just doing your best to stir the pot, you'll respond with something that boils down to "You're another tinfoil hatter, aincha?" - the typical fallback position for someone who doesn't want to face the fact that reality isn't what they wish it was. -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 22:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bkaup9Fb5m9U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55197 |
On 2014-01-22, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote: > In article <230120140856465666%YourName@YourISP.com>, > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely >> no personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the >> computer / device is doing. These nutters who claim their personal >> information is being sold to other companies simply because they are >> browsing websites, etc. are simply moronic idiots who have no idea >> what they're talking about. > > So you've apparently forgotten how easy it is to do something like.... > > Aha... machine XYZ, which we installed a unique ID cookie on last week > when they visited feefiefoe.com has just landed on this other website, > Englishgiant.org. We do analysis on that one, too, so we know it's the > same machine because we queried the cookies it has, and guess what > came back? Yep, The ID that was set by site feefiefoe.com. Oh, and > look... They used a credit card to order a copy of "How to avoid NSA > Tracking". OK, so now we'll start pumping ads about identity > protection at them. Oh, and look! From there, they went to this blog > about privacy - Oh, goodie! We own the site the blog runs on, so we > can get *EVERYTHING* they say and know what they read! Hmmm... they're > reading about privacy again - More identity protection scheme ads... > Oh, and bonus! They commented on one of the blog posts after logging > in with their facebook account. OK, so now we know the id cookie we > set is on a machine likely owned - definitely at least used - by Mr. > Bill Smith, with CC number XXXXXXXX, and we know he's worried about > privacy, and... > > From there, how many more steps do you think it takes before they, > (not the tinfoil hat brigade's "they", but "whoever might be > interested") know everything but the length of Mr. Smith's dick? > > Hint: Not very bloody many. With what they've got from just 4-5 > website visits, they've got all they need to do everything but tell > you his hair color - and maybe even that. > > But since you're just doing your best to stir the pot, you'll respond > with something that boils down to "You're another tinfoil hatter, > aincha?" - the typical fallback position for someone who doesn't want > to face the fact that reality isn't what they wish it was. Spot on. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 17:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lbphqv$nai$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55197 |
On 1/22/14, 3:35 PM, Don Bruder wrote: > From there, how many more steps do you think it takes before they, (not > the tinfoil hat brigade's "they", but "whoever might be interested") > know everything but the length of Mr. Smith's dick? I can deal with male-enhancement spam, but I'm uneasy about the postal carrier's knowing smile when she delivers unsolicited samples of extra-small finger cots! ;)
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 13:02 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <230120141302330832%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55197 |
In article <lbpa21$2d1$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote: > In article <230120140856465666%YourName@YourISP.com>, > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <bk9uttF48emU1@mid.individual.net>, Tom Stiller > > <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 2014-01-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > In article <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF > > > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > >> On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no electricity > > > >> > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. > > > >> > :-\ > > > >> > > > >> While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was barred > > > >> from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about > > > >> blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due to > > > >> delays. > > > >> > > > >> So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a > > > >> passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at that > > > >> airport on that date). > > > >> > > > >> It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. > > > > > > > > The Twitter account likely had his name on it AND it was flagged by > > > > "terrorist activity" wording. Whether he was joking or not, it's better > > > > to be safe. > > > > > > > > Again, this was not a normal, everyday person doing simple Google > > > > searches, visiting websites, etc. When you perform a Google search, > > > > Google does not and cannot know anything about you, let alone bother to > > > > share it even if they wanted to waste such massive amounts of time > > > > doing so. :-\ > > > > > > Bullshit. The Google Analytics tracker is installed on almost every > > > website > > > you visit. It, along with dozens of other trackers track what websites you > > > visit and what pages you view. > > > > > > Visit <http://www.abine.com/donottrackme/faq/2/> for some additional info > > > on > > > tracking companies. > > > > And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely no > > personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the computer / > > device is doing. These nutters who claim their personal information is > > being sold to other companies simply because they are browsing > > websites, etc. are simply moronic idiots who have no idea what they're > > talking about. > > So you've apparently forgotten how easy it is to do something like.... > > Aha... machine XYZ, which we installed a unique ID cookie on last week > when they visited feefiefoe.com has just landed on this other website, > Englishgiant.org. We do analysis on that one, too, so we know it's the > same machine because we queried the cookies it has, and guess what came > back? Yep, The ID that was set by site feefiefoe.com. Oh, and look... > They used a credit card to order a copy of "How to avoid NSA Tracking". > OK, so now we'll start pumping ads about identity protection at them. > Oh, and look! From there, they went to this blog about privacy - Oh, > goodie! We own the site the blog runs on, so we can get *EVERYTHING* > they say and know what they read! Hmmm... they're reading about privacy > again - More identity protection scheme ads... Oh, and bonus! They > commented on one of the blog posts after logging in with their facebook > account. OK, so now we know the id cookie we set is on a machine likely > owned - definitely at least used - by Mr. Bill Smith, with CC number > XXXXXXXX, and we know he's worried about privacy, and... > > From there, how many more steps do you think it takes before they, (not > the tinfoil hat brigade's "they", but "whoever might be interested") > know everything but the length of Mr. Smith's dick? And you know who is "interested" in wasting such a massive amount of time and money (not to mention bandiwdth and server sapce) trying to do that for evyone on the planet ... absolutely nobody! which is why they don't do it. If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing anyway.
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 19:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lbq37i$a3r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55204 |
In article <230120141302330832%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <lbpa21$2d1$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> > wrote: > > > In article <230120140856465666%YourName@YourISP.com>, > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <bk9uttF48emU1@mid.individual.net>, Tom Stiller > > > <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 2014-01-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <52df4da6$0$59785$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF > > > > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > > >> On 14-01-21 19:14, Your Name wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The queue for tin-foil hats and back-woods cabins with no > > > > >> > electricity > > > > >> > starts over there ... just past the flock of levitating porcines. > > > > >> > :-\ > > > > >> > > > > >> While it is easy to joke about this, consider how a canadian was > > > > >> barred > > > > >> from entering the USA because of a joke he had made on Twitter about > > > > >> blowing up and airport after being stranded on tarmac for hour due > > > > >> to > > > > >> delays. > > > > >> > > > > >> So NSA's computers were able to associate the twitter account to a > > > > >> passport (likely based on fact the person had boarded a flight at > > > > >> that > > > > >> airport on that date). > > > > >> > > > > >> It is all tin foil material until it happens to you. > > > > > > > > > > The Twitter account likely had his name on it AND it was flagged by > > > > > "terrorist activity" wording. Whether he was joking or not, it's > > > > > better > > > > > to be safe. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this was not a normal, everyday person doing simple Google > > > > > searches, visiting websites, etc. When you perform a Google search, > > > > > Google does not and cannot know anything about you, let alone bother > > > > > to > > > > > share it even if they wanted to waste such massive amounts of time > > > > > doing so. :-\ > > > > > > > > Bullshit. The Google Analytics tracker is installed on almost every > > > > website > > > > you visit. It, along with dozens of other trackers track what websites > > > > you > > > > visit and what pages you view. > > > > > > > > Visit <http://www.abine.com/donottrackme/faq/2/> for some additional > > > > info > > > > on > > > > tracking companies. > > > > > > And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely no > > > personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the computer / > > > device is doing. These nutters who claim their personal information is > > > being sold to other companies simply because they are browsing > > > websites, etc. are simply moronic idiots who have no idea what they're > > > talking about. > > > > So you've apparently forgotten how easy it is to do something like.... > > > > Aha... machine XYZ, which we installed a unique ID cookie on last week > > when they visited feefiefoe.com has just landed on this other website, > > Englishgiant.org. We do analysis on that one, too, so we know it's the > > same machine because we queried the cookies it has, and guess what came > > back? Yep, The ID that was set by site feefiefoe.com. Oh, and look... > > They used a credit card to order a copy of "How to avoid NSA Tracking". > > OK, so now we'll start pumping ads about identity protection at them. > > Oh, and look! From there, they went to this blog about privacy - Oh, > > goodie! We own the site the blog runs on, so we can get *EVERYTHING* > > they say and know what they read! Hmmm... they're reading about privacy > > again - More identity protection scheme ads... Oh, and bonus! They > > commented on one of the blog posts after logging in with their facebook > > account. OK, so now we know the id cookie we set is on a machine likely > > owned - definitely at least used - by Mr. Bill Smith, with CC number > > XXXXXXXX, and we know he's worried about privacy, and... > > > > From there, how many more steps do you think it takes before they, (not > > the tinfoil hat brigade's "they", but "whoever might be interested") > > know everything but the length of Mr. Smith's dick? > > And you know who is "interested" in wasting such a massive amount of > time and money (not to mention bandiwdth and server sapce) trying to do > that for evyone on the planet ... absolutely nobody! which is why they > don't do it. > > If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is > going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you > do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account > where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing > anyway. <Snort> <Bugs Bunny voice> He don't know me very well, do he? </BBv> Clue: I expect I might be able to figure out how to send a tweet if you give me two things: 1) A few minutes to sign up for an account and 2) Some reason to want to bother -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 18:19 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <230120141819183702%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55207 |
In article <lbq37i$a3r$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote: > In article <230120141302330832%YourName@YourISP.com>, > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <lbpa21$2d1$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> > > wrote: <snip> > > > > > > From there, how many more steps do you think it takes before they, (not > > > the tinfoil hat brigade's "they", but "whoever might be interested") > > > know everything but the length of Mr. Smith's dick? > > > > And you know who is "interested" in wasting such a massive amount of > > time and money (not to mention bandiwdth and server sapce) trying to do > > that for evyone on the planet ... absolutely nobody! which is why they > > don't do it. > > > > If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is > > going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you > > do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account > > where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing > > anyway. > > <Snort> > > <Bugs Bunny voice> > He don't know me very well, do he? > </BBv> > > Clue: I expect I might be able to figure out how to send a tweet if you > give me two things: > 1) A few minutes to sign up for an account and > 2) Some reason to want to bother I didn't mean you personally, I meant the wider "you" as in the tin-hat fools who actually think they're being spied on.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 23:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52e09bd8$0$32719$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #55204 |
On 14-01-22 19:02, Your Name wrote: > If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is > going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you > do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account > where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing > anyway. Why then did the NSA and Canada's CSEC built additiona multi billion dollar facilities to collect all data ? The issue here isn't that you are me are interesting. It is that the NSA doesn't know who is interesting, so they want to collect anything and everything the can to see what is of interest out there. They may very well go through your posts and the computers decide you are of no interest and pass over that data and not flag it for retention. But if you say the wrong thing, they will flag it as potientially of interest and you could be wrongly followed more in depth until someone realises you are not a threath. But during this time, you'll be a person of interest and could encouter problems flying, at borders etc. The issue here is that these automated systems will make mistakes and wronfully flag people who are no threath to anyone. Just likel happened with no fly lists and many other Bush Jr era police state initatives.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 18:26 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <230120141826279463%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55208 |
In article <52e09bd8$0$32719$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-22 19:02, Your Name wrote: > > > If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is > > going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you > > do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account > > where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing > > anyway. > > > Why then did the NSA and Canada's CSEC built additiona multi billion > dollar facilities to collect all data ? > > The issue here isn't that you are me are interesting. It is that the NSA > doesn't know who is interesting, so they want to collect anything and > everything the can to see what is of interest out there. > > They may very well go through your posts and the computers decide you > are of no interest and pass over that data and not flag it for > retention. But if you say the wrong thing, they will flag it as > potientially of interest and you could be wrongly followed more in depth > until someone realises you are not a threath. But during this time, > you'll be a person of interest and could encouter problems flying, at > borders etc. > > The issue here is that these automated systems will make mistakes and > wronfully flag people who are no threath to anyone. Just likel happened > with no fly lists and many other Bush Jr era police state initatives. Whatever fairytale nonsense you want to believe. :-\
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 12:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnle233r.1l2e.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #55208 |
In message <52e09bd8$0$32719$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-22 19:02, Your Name wrote: >> If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is >> going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you >> do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account >> where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing >> anyway. > Why then did the NSA and Canada's CSEC built additiona multi billion > dollar facilities to collect all data ? Not at all relevant. The type of tracking the NSA does is not going to be affected at all by your browser extensions. > The issue here isn't that you are me are interesting. It is that the NSA > doesn't know who is interesting, so they want to collect anything and > everything the can to see what is of interest out there. Even that's not true. The NSA was told to do "anything and everything to prevent another 9/11" and someone thought, "if we have all the traffic, then we can do that" without considering "If we have all the traffic, we don't have the computers, time, or personnel to make any sense of it." Although it is easy to blame the NSA (and in a shorthand way, I do as well) the real issue was the broad scope mandated by the executive branch and the so-called PATRIOT Act bullshit. So, really, if you want to blame anyone blame those idiotic congress people who voted for the draconian PATRIOT Act without even reading it. > They may very well go through your posts and the computers decide you > are of no interest and pass over that data and not flag it for > retention. But if you say the wrong thing, they will flag it as > potientially of interest and you could be wrongly followed more in depth > until someone realises you are not a threath. But during this time, > you'll be a person of interest and could encouter problems flying, at > borders etc. And there's *nothing* you can do to avoid this short of unplugging from the Internet. The collection is not happening at your computer, or even at your ISP, it's happening on the backbones, at the data centers, at the fibre nexuses. Even SSL connections to everywhere will not make a difference because the government has the power to 1) force anyone to give them a copy of the SSL key and 2) compel those people not to tell anyone the SSL key is compromised. > The issue here is that these automated systems will make mistakes and > wronfully flag people who are no threath to anyone. Just likel happened > with no fly lists and many other Bush Jr era police state initatives. I thought we were talking about advertising and companies like Google or Amazon. If you're talking about the NSA it's an entirely different conversation. -- The omnipotent eyesight of various supernatural entities is often remarked upon. It is said that they can see the fall of every sparrow. And this may be true. But there is only one who is always there when it hits the ground. --Hogfather
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 05:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-F6735F.05483123012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> |
| In reply to | #55216 |
In article <slrnle233r.1l2e.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <52e09bd8$0$32719$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > On 14-01-22 19:02, Your Name wrote: > > >> If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is > >> going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you > >> do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account > >> where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing > >> anyway. > > > Why then did the NSA and Canada's CSEC built additiona multi billion > > dollar facilities to collect all data ? > > Not at all relevant. The type of tracking the NSA does is not going to > be affected at all by your browser extensions. You need to review the leaked documents. Web bugs make it extremely easy for the government to track people. They're used all the time by the FBI. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust tracking companies and the FBI to not screw that up. Scammers manipulate tracking companies to influence paid advertising. > > > The issue here isn't that you are me are interesting. It is that the NSA > > doesn't know who is interesting, so they want to collect anything and > > everything the can to see what is of interest out there. > > Even that's not true. The NSA was told to do "anything and everything to > prevent another 9/11" and someone thought, "if we have all the traffic, > then we can do that" without considering "If we have all the traffic, we > don't have the computers, time, or personnel to make any sense of it." > Although it is easy to blame the NSA (and in a shorthand way, I do as > well) the real issue was the broad scope mandated by the executive > branch and the so-called PATRIOT Act bullshit. So, really, if you want > to blame anyone blame those idiotic congress people who voted for the > draconian PATRIOT Act without even reading it. > > > They may very well go through your posts and the computers decide you > > are of no interest and pass over that data and not flag it for > > retention. But if you say the wrong thing, they will flag it as > > potientially of interest and you could be wrongly followed more in depth > > until someone realises you are not a threath. But during this time, > > you'll be a person of interest and could encouter problems flying, at > > borders etc. > > And there's *nothing* you can do to avoid this short of unplugging from > the Internet. The collection is not happening at your computer, or even > at your ISP, it's happening on the backbones, at the data centers, at > the fibre nexuses. > > Even SSL connections to everywhere will not make a difference because > the government has the power to 1) force anyone to give them a copy of > the SSL key and 2) compel those people not to tell anyone the SSL key is > compromised. > > > The issue here is that these automated systems will make mistakes and > > wronfully flag people who are no threath to anyone. Just likel happened > > with no fly lists and many other Bush Jr era police state initatives. > > I thought we were talking about advertising and companies like Google or > Amazon. If you're talking about the NSA it's an entirely different > conversation.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 16:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52e0337c$0$61254$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #55196 |
On 14-01-22 14:56, Your Name wrote: > And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely no > personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the computer / > device is doing. And in most cases, this tracks a person. More importantly, many transactions are associated with some form of user name. And when it comes to the NSA and the other entities that do its dirty work (GCHQ in UK, CSEC in Canada etc), they can associate some transaction on the web to a real identity because of all this tracking going on. So just because your average transaction does not identify your name in an obvious way does not mean that a collection of your transactions does not give enough info to identify who you are. This does not mean that this identification is done for everyone. But it is possible to do it when a body such as NSA becomes interested in you.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 13:08 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <230120141308191573%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55198 |
In article <52e0337c$0$61254$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-22 14:56, Your Name wrote: > > > And yet again, it is not and cannot track *you* - it has absolutely no > > personal details about you at all. It does "track" what the computer / > > device is doing. > > And in most cases, this tracks a person. More importantly, many > transactions are associated with some form of user name. Again, do a Google search ... where exactly are you entering any personal information? Absolutely nowhere, which is why the adverts do not follow you from device to device (yet!). The only thing being "tracked" is what the device is doing, not the user personally.. > And when it comes to the NSA and the other entities that do its dirty > work (GCHQ in UK, CSEC in Canada etc), they can associate some > transaction on the web to a real identity because of all this tracking > going on. > > So just because your average transaction does not identify your name in > an obvious way does not mean that a collection of your transactions does > not give enough info to identify who you are. > > This does not mean that this identification is done for everyone. But it > is possible to do it when a body such as NSA becomes interested in you. When it's worth actually the effort, yes. In the real world and daily use by bazillions of people on the planet, no. Even ignoring the fact that many different people may use the same device within a family, library, etc., it's simply not worth anybody wasting the effort, time and money trying to personally "track" people. The statistical trends can be useful, but the personal details are absolutely useless to any big business company.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-22 23:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52e09ca5$0$32688$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #55205 |
On 14-01-22 19:08, Your Name wrote: > Again, do a Google search ... where exactly are you entering any > personal information? Absolutely nowhere, which is why the adverts do > not follow you from device to device (yet!). The only thing being > "tracked" is what the device is doing, not the user personally.. Doesn't iCloud synch your cookies and bookmarks between devices ? Secondly, when you do a search on Google, while the data you enter may not have ientifying marks, your transction includes a cookie with some form of numeric ID which will link this search with all the other data collected about your use on that system. (and where systems have synched cookies, then one system is more of an ecosystem with your computers, iphone, iPad and anything else that has cookies synched). They have a very good profile of you without having your name.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-23 18:24 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <230120141824574093%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55209 |
In article <52e09ca5$0$32688$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-22 19:08, Your Name wrote: > > > > Again, do a Google search ... where exactly are you entering any > > personal information? Absolutely nowhere, which is why the adverts do > > not follow you from device to device (yet!). The only thing being > > "tracked" is what the device is doing, not the user personally.. > > Doesn't iCloud synch your cookies and bookmarks between devices ? Again, a complete different thing - you have actually signed up for an account, so of course they have your personal information. > Secondly, when you do a search on Google, while the data you enter may > not have ientifying marks, your transction includes a cookie with some > form of numeric ID which will link this search with all the other data > collected about your use on that system. (and where systems have synched > cookies, then one system is more of an ecosystem with your computers, > iphone, iPad and anything else that has cookies synched). > > They have a very good profile of you without having your name. And again, yes, they collect statistical data for trend analysis, NOT personal data that identifies you because they haven't got such information and it would be impossible to get it even if they wanted to thanks to devices with multiple users and publicly used devices.
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