Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.sys.mac.system > #54945 > unrolled thread

Being tracked on the web

Started byJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
First post2014-01-18 21:50 -0800
Last post2014-01-20 14:57 -0500
Articles 20 on this page of 93 — 21 participants

Back to article view | Back to comp.sys.mac.system


Contents

  Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800
    Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 22:27 -0800
      Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 00:09 -0800
        Re: Being tracked on the web Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2014-01-19 09:58 +0000
          Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:17 -0800
        Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 04:59 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 19:30 +1300
      Re: Being tracked on the web Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-19 15:32 -0600
        Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:12 +1300
          Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:14 +0000
          Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-19 19:12 -0800
            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 18:15 +1300
              Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 00:29 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 19:14 +1300
                  Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 01:25 -0500
                    Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:13 +1300
                      Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 15:22 -0500
                        Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:25 +1300
                          Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 19:28 -0500
                          Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:13 -0800
                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:29 +1300
                              Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
                              Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:57 -0800
                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:12 +1300
                                  Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-21 23:13 -0800
                          Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 21:51 -0500
                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:33 +1300
                              Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 22:48 -0500
                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:43 +1300
                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:56 +1300
                                  Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 01:10 -0500
                                    Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 19:35 +1300
                                      Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 03:29 -0500
                                        Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 +1300
                                          Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:13 -0500
                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
                                          Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:22 +0000
                                          Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:22 -0500
                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
                                              Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 19:40 -0500
                                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 16:53 +1300
                                                  Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:30 +0000
                                              Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 23:48 -0500
                                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:11 +1300
                                                  Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 13:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:56 +1300
                                                      Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 12:35 -0800
                                                        Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-22 17:47 -0500
                                                        Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:02 +1300
                                                          Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 19:45 -0800
                                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:19 +1300
                                                          Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:34 -0500
                                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:26 +1300
                                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 12:35 +0000
                                                              Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-23 05:48 -0800
                                                      Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 16:09 -0500
                                                        Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:08 +1300
                                                          Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:37 -0500
                                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:24 +1300
                                                              Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-23 01:04 -0500
                                                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 19:15 +1300
                                                                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-23 03:16 -0500
                                                      Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:19 +0000
                                                        Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:15 +0000
                                                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:16 +1300
                                              Re: Being tracked on the web "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2014-01-22 09:43 -0500
                                          Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 17:22 -0500
                                            Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
                          Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:25 -0500
                            Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
                  Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 16:10 -0800
                    Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:34 +1300
                      Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:36 -0500
                        Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:48 +1300
                      Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
                        Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 00:56 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 03:37 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-19 20:25 +1100
      Re: Being tracked on the web Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 14:20 -0500
        Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:26 -0800
    Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 13:27 +0000
    Re: Being tracked on the web Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 11:02 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-19 16:08 +0000
      Re: Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-19 08:24 -0800
    Re: Being tracked on the web Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-19 12:43 -0500
      Re: Being tracked on the web Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-19 12:46 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:54 +0000
      Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
        Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:03 +0000
    Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-19 13:49 -0500
      Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:12 -0500
        Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-20 14:57 -0500

Page 1 of 5  [1] 2 3 4 5  Next page →


#54945 — Being tracked on the web

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2014-01-18 21:50 -0800
SubjectBeing tracked on the web
Message-ID<lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>
Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a 
chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their 
terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, 
their ad is inserted somewhere on the page.

Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are 
they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can 
they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way?

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]


#54946

FromKevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us>
Date2014-01-18 22:27 -0800
Message-ID<mcmurtrie-2C2A14.22271118012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>
In reply to#54945
In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>,
 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a 
> chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their 
> terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, 
> their ad is inserted somewhere on the page.
> 
> Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are 
> they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can 
> they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way?

Most web sites use multiple tracking services so they all know where 
you've been, what you've searched for, and where you're going.  Safari, 
by default, tells Google what you're doing through URL completion, 
domain to URL conversion, automatic searching, and safe site filtering.  
Chrome desktop tells Google everything.

You can use Ghostery and turn off 3rd party cookies to stop most of the 
tracking.  Chrome and Safari can not be configured so that they don't 
automatically contact search engines.  Firefox with Ghostery is probably 
better for privacy.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#54948

FromMichael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Date2014-01-19 00:09 -0800
Message-ID<vilain-08AC03.00093819012014@news.individual.net>
In reply to#54946
In article 
<mcmurtrie-2C2A14.22271118012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
 Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>,
>  John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a 
> > chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their 
> > terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, 
> > their ad is inserted somewhere on the page.
> > 
> > Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are 
> > they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can 
> > they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way?
> 
> Most web sites use multiple tracking services so they all know where 
> you've been, what you've searched for, and where you're going.  Safari, 
> by default, tells Google what you're doing through URL completion, 
> domain to URL conversion, automatic searching, and safe site filtering.  
> Chrome desktop tells Google everything.
> 
> You can use Ghostery and turn off 3rd party cookies to stop most of the 
> tracking.  Chrome and Safari can not be configured so that they don't 
> automatically contact search engines.  Firefox with Ghostery is probably 
> better for privacy.

Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear.

I use AdBlock Plus and Disconnect on Chrome, 
AdBlock, DoNotTrackMe, and Disconnect on Safari, and
AdBlockPlus, Disconnect, and Greasemonkey on Firefox.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#54951

FromJoanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com>
Date2014-01-19 09:58 +0000
Message-ID<52dba1e1$0$5246$c3e8da3$7c32e45a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#54948
On 2014-01-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>
> Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear.
>

False: last update was less than a week ago.
Vide https://purplebox.ghostery.com .

I wonder where you heard this rumour? An ad agency perhaps ;-)

Jo

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#54987

FromMichael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Date2014-01-19 12:17 -0800
Message-ID<vilain-99D917.12172319012014@news.individual.net>
In reply to#54951
In article <52dba1e1$0$5246$c3e8da3$7c32e45a@news.astraweb.com>,
 Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear.
> >
> 
> False: last update was less than a week ago.
> Vide https://purplebox.ghostery.com .
> 
> I wonder where you heard this rumour? An ad agency perhaps ;-)
> 
> Jo

Lifehacker mentioned the developer had moved on to other things.  The 
database behind it is being updated, but Ghostery itself was not.  The 
site doesn't mention that.

I went to the site to see 5.1 was released.  I guess it's time to bug 
them for a "What privacy plugins do you use?" article.  I'll post what 
they say as follow up.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#54952

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-01-19 04:59 -0500
Message-ID<lbg7l8$hh9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54948
On 1/19/14, 3:09 AM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article
> <mcmurtrie-2C2A14.22271118012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
>   Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>
>> In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>,
>>   John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a
>>> chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their
>>> terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems,
>>> their ad is inserted somewhere on the page.
>>>
>>> Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are
>>> they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can
>>> they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way?
>>
>> Most web sites use multiple tracking services so they all know where
>> you've been, what you've searched for, and where you're going.  Safari,
>> by default, tells Google what you're doing through URL completion,
>> domain to URL conversion, automatic searching, and safe site filtering.
>> Chrome desktop tells Google everything.
>>
>> You can use Ghostery and turn off 3rd party cookies to stop most of the
>> tracking.  Chrome and Safari can not be configured so that they don't
>> automatically contact search engines.  Firefox with Ghostery is probably
>> better for privacy.
>
> Ghostery isn't being maintained any more, from what I hear.
>
> I use AdBlock Plus and Disconnect on Chrome,
> AdBlock, DoNotTrackMe, and Disconnect on Safari, and
> AdBlockPlus, Disconnect, and Greasemonkey on Firefox.
>
Didn't Ghostery 5.1 come out January 13?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#54947

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-19 19:30 +1300
Message-ID<190120141930470622%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#54945
In article <lbfp2i$lc6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, not terribly insidiously, but I am getting targeted ads for a 
> chain hotel I stayed at a week or two ago. I had to agree to their 
> terms, which of course I didn't read, but now on any web page, it seems, 
> their ad is inserted somewhere on the page.
> 
> Is it a matter of a cookie? I'd like to get rid of their ad. How are 
> they able to put an ad in on numerous web pages now that I am home? Can 
> they search the web for my MAC address and hit me up that way?

It is simply a Google advert (or similar) which is based on words and
phrases on the pages you're reading - so reading pages about hotels /
travel will also display an advert about such things, which means
there's no way to stop it (short of disabling Google adverts with some
sort of plug-in / browser option). 

It may also be using terms you previously used in Google searches and
any resulting Google links you've clicked on. You could try deleting
the Google cookies or even all cookies (you'll likely lose the
auto-login for other websites).

Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely
nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat
brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if
tyhe little grey aliens don't get you first.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#54994

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-01-19 15:32 -0600
Message-ID<slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#54947
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:
>
> Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely 
> nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat 
> brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if 
> tyhe little grey aliens don't get you first.

Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55012

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-20 13:12 +1300
Message-ID<200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#54994
In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely 
> > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat 
> > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if 
> > the little grey aliens don't get you first.
> 
> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...

If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then
it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and
should be caught.

It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you
have nothing to worry about.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55013

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-20 00:14 +0000
Message-ID<bk383qFm2qjU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#55012
On 2014-01-20, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
><timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely 
>> > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat 
>> > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if 
>> > the little grey aliens don't get you first.
>> 
>> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...
>
> If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then
> it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and
> should be caught.
>
> It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you
> have nothing to worry about.

Wow...

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55024

FromKevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us>
Date2014-01-19 19:12 -0800
Message-ID<mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>
In reply to#55012
In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely 
> > > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat 
> > > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if 
> > > the little grey aliens don't get you first.
> > 
> > Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...
> 
> If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then
> it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and
> should be caught.
> 
> It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you
> have nothing to worry about.

What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a 
selective presentation from enormous amounts of data.  That has been 
proven quite often.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55032

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-20 18:15 +1300
Message-ID<200120141815091237%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55024
In article
<mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
> > <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely 
> > > > nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat 
> > > > brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if 
> > > > the little grey aliens don't get you first.
> > > 
> > > Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...
> > 
> > If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then
> > it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and
> > should be caught.
> > 
> > It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you
> > have nothing to worry about.
> 
> What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a 
> selective presentation from enormous amounts of data.  That has been 
> proven quite often.

If you seriously believe that anyone is interested enough in you to go
to all that bother, then you've got bigger problems that wearing a
tin-foil het will ever solve.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55037

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-01-20 00:29 -0500
Message-ID<lbic85$ccm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55032
On 1/20/14, 12:15 AM, Your Name wrote:
> In article
> <mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>> In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>>   Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
>>> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely
>>>>> nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat
>>>>> brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if
>>>>> the little grey aliens don't get you first.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...
>>>
>>> If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then
>>> it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and
>>> should be caught.
>>>
>>> It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you
>>> have nothing to worry about.
>>
>> What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a
>> selective presentation from enormous amounts of data.  That has been
>> proven quite often.
>
> If you seriously believe that anyone is interested enough in you to go
> to all that bother, then you've got bigger problems that wearing a
> tin-foil het will ever solve.
>
According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to 
credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can 
also affect prices quoted to you by online shops.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55039

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-20 19:14 +1300
Message-ID<200120141914536275%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55037
In article <lbic85$ccm$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:
> On 1/20/14, 12:15 AM, Your Name wrote:
> > In article
> > <mcmurtrie-8476F5.19123219012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> > Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> >> In article <200120141312386196%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> >>   Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <slrnldoh3g.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
> >>> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:30:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Realistically, you're not going to stop adverts and there's absolutely
> >>>>> nothing to worry about ... unless you belong to the tin-foil hat
> >>>>> brigade, in which case the boogey man is coming to get you tonight, if
> >>>>> the little grey aliens don't get you first.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sadly the tinfoil hat brigade keeps getting proven to be correct...
> >>>
> >>> If you're seriously worried that you're being spied on and caught, then
> >>> it's likely that you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and
> >>> should be caught.
> >>>
> >>> It's extremely simple - if you're not doing anything wrong, then you
> >>> have nothing to worry about.
> >>
> >> What you're accused of doing can easily be fabricated through a
> >> selective presentation from enormous amounts of data.  That has been
> >> proven quite often.
> >
> > If you seriously believe that anyone is interested enough in you to go
> > to all that bother, then you've got bigger problems that wearing a
> > tin-foil hat will ever solve.
> 
> According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to 
> credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can 
> also affect prices quoted to you by online shops.

Yep, and there's a flock of levitating pink porcines going past my
window right now.  :-\

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55040

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-01-20 01:25 -0500
Message-ID<52dcc144$0$49605$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#55039
On 14-01-20 01:14, Your Name wrote:

>> According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to 
>> credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can 
>> also affect prices quoted to you by online shops.
> 
> Yep, and there's a flock of levitating pink porcines going past my
> window right now.  :-\

A person's web profile is the holy grail of advertisers who think they
can command higher ad prices when the ads are targetted to users who are
more likely to be interested/need products.

Whether this actually works remains to be seen, but advertisers pitch
this to their gullible customers. And there are metric tonnes of such
gullible customers judging from Google's share price :-)

And various parties are jockeying to get into the game. Bell Canada is
going to recycle its DPI equipment used originally for DSL into usage
gathering engines for its wireless customers to capture web browsing
patterns for each customer and sell that data to advertising firms for
more targetted ads. (this is currently in front of the canadian privacy
commisioner).

Google is currently under some heat because it started to target ads to
someone who had a health condition.

CBC: Google ads target Canadians using personal health info
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/google-ads-target-canadians-using-personal-health-info-1.2497515



[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55066

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-21 09:13 +1300
Message-ID<210120140913508166%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55040
In article <52dcc144$0$49605$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-01-20 01:14, Your Name wrote:
> >> 
> >> According to the New York Times, data from tracking is sold to 
> >> credit-rating agencies, health insurers, and potential employers. It can 
> >> also affect prices quoted to you by online shops.
> > 
> > Yep, and there's a flock of levitating pink porcines going past my
> > window right now.  :-\
> 
> A person's web profile is the holy grail of advertisers who think they
> can command higher ad prices when the ads are targetted to users who are
> more likely to be interested/need products.
> 
> Whether this actually works remains to be seen, but advertisers pitch
> this to their gullible customers. And there are metric tonnes of such
> gullible customers judging from Google's share price :-)
> 
> And various parties are jockeying to get into the game. Bell Canada is
> going to recycle its DPI equipment used originally for DSL into usage
> gathering engines for its wireless customers to capture web browsing
> patterns for each customer and sell that data to advertising firms for
> more targetted ads. (this is currently in front of the canadian privacy
> commisioner).
> 
> Google is currently under some heat because it started to target ads to
> someone who had a health condition.
> 
> CBC: Google ads target Canadians using personal health info
> > http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/google-ads-target-canadians-using-personal-health-info-1.2497515

Google and others targetting things like adverts based on your browsing
is a known and established fact, and has been since they started doing
it.

Nobody sells individual data to other companies - the task of doing so
would be horrendously difficult (Google doesn't even know who you
are!). They do no doubt sell "trend" data to other companies, but that
will be a statistcal summarisation.

There are things like competition you enter where you give the company
running it to pass on your details to others, and even then your
details are sold as part of a massive people, not individually nor on
request.

The only exception to this would be if the police ask for individual
details for legal reasons, and even then it can be difficult to find
one individual person in amoungst the bazillions of data flowing
through the system.

As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being
invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55069

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-01-20 15:22 -0500
Message-ID<lbk0j3$sru$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55066
On 1/20/14, 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote:

> As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being
> invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters.
>
Like the NYT?  Epic quotes them, saying tracking data is merged with 
personal data and sold to employers and insurance companies, among others.
http://www.epicbrowser.com/#two

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55109

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-21 13:25 +1300
Message-ID<210120141325599944%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55069
In article <lbk0j3$sru$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:
> On 1/20/14, 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> > As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being
> > invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters.
> 
> Like the NYT?  Epic quotes them, saying tracking data is merged with 
> personal data and sold to employers and insurance companies, among others.
> http://www.epicbrowser.com/#two

Someone who "sells" a supposedly secure browser is telling you lies and
misinformation to help promote their own product. Wow, who'd have thunk
it. What a shocking surprise.  :-\

Simple fact: You do a Google search - Google doesn't have any personal
detaiils about you to pass on, even if they wanted to. At best they
have your IP address and what you search for or clicked on.

Somewhere like Amazon will have personal details if you sign up for an
account, but then that's no different to signing up for an account with
any real world store, bank account, credit card, etc., etc., etc.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55111

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 19:28 -0500
Message-ID<200120141928518202%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55109
In article <210120141325599944%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Simple fact: You do a Google search - Google doesn't have any personal
> detaiils about you to pass on, even if they wanted to. At best they
> have your IP address and what you search for or clicked on.

not only do they have your personal info, but they use it to target
ads. you can even review your search history.

you have to intentionally block it for them not to have it, but they
still track it by ip address and other information, which is almost as
good. 

> Somewhere like Amazon will have personal details if you sign up for an
> account, but then that's no different to signing up for an account with
> any real world store, bank account, credit card, etc., etc., etc.

and even if you don't.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#55125

FromKevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us>
Date2014-01-20 18:13 -0800
Message-ID<mcmurtrie-68441A.18133120012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>
In reply to#55109
In article <210120141325599944%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <lbk0j3$sru$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> > On 1/20/14, 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > > 
> > > As always, most of the misinformation spread about "privacy being
> > > invaded" is done so solely by the moronic tin-foil hat nutters.
> > 
> > Like the NYT?  Epic quotes them, saying tracking data is merged with 
> > personal data and sold to employers and insurance companies, among others.
> > http://www.epicbrowser.com/#two
> 
> Someone who "sells" a supposedly secure browser is telling you lies and
> misinformation to help promote their own product. Wow, who'd have thunk
> it. What a shocking surprise.  :-\
> 
> Simple fact: You do a Google search - Google doesn't have any personal
> detaiils about you to pass on, even if they wanted to. At best they
> have your IP address and what you search for or clicked on.
> 
> Somewhere like Amazon will have personal details if you sign up for an
> account, but then that's no different to signing up for an account with
> any real world store, bank account, credit card, etc., etc., etc.

Ha, you have no idea how many tracking companies Google owns and how 
much data is sent to tracking companies when you log into any site.  
Your tracking will be re-associated with your identity even if you clear 
cookies.  I bet even your bank tells Google who you are.

Try browsing pages for an unusual product.  Now see how many web sites 
advertise related products.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


Page 1 of 5  [1] 2 3 4 5  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | comp.sys.mac.system


csiph-web