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  What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-11-17 03:02 -0500
    Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? android <here@there.was> - 2017-11-17 13:07 +0100
    Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-11-17 13:40 -0500
      Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-11-17 15:03 -0500
        Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-11-17 17:13 -0500
        Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-11-18 04:13 +0000
          Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-11-18 04:28 +0000
        Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? northerntiger@outlook.com - 2017-11-18 08:46 -0800
          Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-11-18 15:03 -0500
            Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-11-18 16:12 -0500
            Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-11-19 10:19 +1300
              Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-11-18 17:02 -0500
                Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-11-18 19:19 -0500
                  Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-11-18 19:38 -0500
        Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-11-19 14:14 -0500
          Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-11-20 09:20 +1300
    Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? northerntiger@outlook.com - 2017-11-18 08:45 -0800
      Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-11-18 12:07 -0500
      Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-11-18 15:01 -0500
      Re: What happens to Apple's Touch ID now? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-11-19 04:13 +0000

#110082 — What happens to Apple's Touch ID now?

What Happens to Apple's Touch ID Now?

> http://www.nasdaq.com/article/what-happens-to-apples-touch-id-now-cm878923


With the phones going Face ID, what happens to Apple having started to
put TouchID on Macs?

Interesting read.


Linked within that article:
(Time.com)
Apple Design Chief Jonathan Ive on the iPhone X: We Had to Solve
‘Extraordinarily Complex Problems’

http://time.com/5025887/apple-jony-ive-iphone-x/

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#110084

In article <5a0e9e9f$0$55144$b1db1813$76d77b46@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> What Happens to Apple's Touch ID Now?
> 
> > http://www.nasdaq.com/article/what-happens-to-apples-touch-id-now-cm878923
> 
> 
> With the phones going Face ID, what happens to Apple having started to
> put TouchID on Macs?
> 
> Interesting read.

This is too:

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#110085

JF Mezei: 
> With the phones going Face ID, what happens to Apple having started to
> put TouchID on Macs?

Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.

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#110089

On 2017-11-17 13:40, Davoud wrote:

> Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.

But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?

Getting rid of TouchID solves the problem of pairing external keyboard
with the secure enclave. (on a phone, can only be done by apple).

But getting FaceID on computers that have external monitors (MacPro, Mac
Mini) makes me wonder if it become possible to have an external FaceID
camera.

From what I read, the data from the sensor/camera is NOT encrypted, it
gets encrypted after processing by neural network IF this is a login
attempt. (but not if used to drive the animated poop emoji).
If this is correct, it would allow external "cameras" to exist and not
require "hardware" pairing with the computer as TouchID sensors do.

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#110091

In article <5a0f4084$0$29375$b1db1813$7c6b8ee7@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> 
> But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?

the touchbar is very popular. macbook pro sales are *up*, not down.

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#110097

In message <5a0f4084$0$29375$b1db1813$7c6b8ee7@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-11-17 13:40, Davoud wrote:

>> Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.

> But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?

The Touchbar is not unpopular.

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#110100

On 2017-11-18, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <5a0f4084$0$29375$b1db1813$7c6b8ee7@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 2017-11-17 13:40, Davoud wrote:
>
>>> Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.
>
>> But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?
>
> The Touchbar is not unpopular.

Luddite FUDsters like JF Mezei always claim any feature they don't fully
understand is unpopular to comfort themselves in their ignorance. ; )

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#110106

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:03:21 PM UTC-5, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2017-11-17 13:40, Davoud wrote:
> 
> > Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.
> 
> But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?

The two have very little in common, and one going away probably will not affect the other. You appear to be searching, desperately, for problems where none exist.

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#110109

On 2017-11-18 11:46, northerntiger@outlook.com wrote:

> The two have very little in common, and one going away probably will not affect the other. You appear to be searching, desperately, for problems where none exist.
> 

The article I linked to discussed the issue of Touch Bar going away at
same time as TouchID.

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#110110

In article <5a10922d$0$1658$b1db1813$c2d291f2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > The two have very little in common, and one going away probably will not
> > affect the other. You appear to be searching, desperately, for problems
> > where none exist.
> > 
> 
> The article I linked to discussed the issue of Touch Bar going away at
> same time as TouchID.

they're not going away any time soon

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#110111

On 2017-11-18 20:03:56 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> On 2017-11-18 11:46, northerntiger@outlook.com wrote:
>> 
>> The two have very little in common, and one going away probably will 
>> not affect the other. You appear to be searching, desperately, for 
>> problems where none exist.
> 
> The article I linked to discussed the issue of Touch Bar going away at
> same time as TouchID.

The Touch Bar can do Touch ID, but it is also used for a lot of other, 
mostly useless and pointless, functions. It was really added as a 
gimmick and a testbed for replacing the laptop's keyboard with a 
customisable touch-screen*. In both cases it failed, so the Touch Bar 
is likely to disappear simply because very few people bother to use it, 
as well as not being available on a desktop Mac nor most of Apple's 
laptops.



* If you listen very carefully you can hear the idiot Johny Ive chanting
  "Thinner, thinner!" every time you look at the Touch Bar.

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#110112

In article <ouq85t$1kp0$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The Touch Bar can do Touch ID, but it is also used for a lot of other, 
> mostly useless and pointless, functions. It was really added as a 
> gimmick and a testbed for replacing the laptop's keyboard with a 
> customisable touch-screen*. In both cases it failed, so the Touch Bar 
> is likely to disappear simply because very few people bother to use it, 
> as well as not being available on a desktop Mac nor most of Apple's 
> laptops.

nonsense. the touchbar and touchid sensor are not the same, the
touchbar was never intended to replace the keyboard and it has not
failed. apple just reported the best quarter for mac sales ever.

> * If you listen very carefully you can hear the idiot Johny Ive chanting
>   "Thinner, thinner!" every time you look at the Touch Bar.

more idiocy.

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#110113

On 2017-11-18 17:02, nospam wrote:

> nonsense. the touchbar and touchid sensor are not the same, the
> touchbar was never intended to replace the keyboard and it has not
> failed. apple just reported the best quarter for mac sales ever.

Integrated into each other with shared processor as I recall.

And what percentage of Macs sold have a Touch Bar?

Oh wait, Apple won't release that info because only they get to know
whether a new feature is liked or not.

I'll let you ake a guess on why the 6s was kept in the lineup. Because
its sales likely much better than the nearly identical 7 (except for
lack of headphone jack)


More importantly, the touchbar dependen on software making use of it.
With its very limited availability on only one laptop, not much software
is making use of it since they still need to design their UI for vast
majority of fooks who have normal keyboard.

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#110114

In article <5a10ce24$0$20662$b1db1813$4ef18888@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > nonsense. the touchbar and touchid sensor are not the same, the
> > touchbar was never intended to replace the keyboard and it has not
> > failed. apple just reported the best quarter for mac sales ever.
> 
> Integrated into each other with shared processor as I recall.

the touchid sensor is separate from the rest of the touchbar, just as
it is on iphones.

> And what percentage of Macs sold have a Touch Bar?

a significant amount.

> Oh wait, Apple won't release that info because only they get to know
> whether a new feature is liked or not.

apple has said that portables make up around 80% of mac sales.

apple has also said that the new macbook pros are selling very well.

apple won't release an *exact* breakdown, but it's not that hard to
determine a reasonable estimate.

> I'll let you ake a guess on why the 6s was kept in the lineup.

there's no need to guess. 

the iphone 6s at $449 is still available to fill a price gap between
the $349 iphone se and the $549 iphone 7.

> Because
> its sales likely much better than the nearly identical 7 (except for
> lack of headphone jack)

nonsense.

the iphone 7 has a *digital* headphone jack *and* comes with headphones
in the box that plug into the bottom, otherwise known as the lightning
port.

there is also quite a bit more in the iphone 7 versus the 6s than just
that, including a faster processor, a wide gamut display, a dual-lens
camera in the + model and haptics.

> More importantly, the touchbar dependen on software making use of it.
> With its very limited availability on only one laptop, not much software
> is making use of it since they still need to design their UI for vast
> majority of fooks who have normal keyboard.

apps can customize the touchbar, but if they don't, it's no different
than what it would have been with keys.

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#110126

Davoud:
> > Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.

JF Mezei:
> But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?

Sorry, I told you what I know. Life goes on. What Apple is thinking is
beyond my ken.

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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#110130

On 2017-11-19 19:14:55 +0000, Davoud said:
> Davoud:
>>> Uh, it goes away and life goes on? That's what I'm thinking.
> 
> JF Mezei:
>> But would that also me the unpopular TouchBar goes away?
> 
> Sorry, I told you what I know. Life goes on. What Apple is thinking is
> beyond my ken.

Then you should ask your Barbie.   ;-)

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#110105

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:02:31 AM UTC-5, JF Mezei wrote:
> What Happens to Apple's Touch ID Now?
> 
> > http://www.nasdaq.com/article/what-happens-to-apples-touch-id-now-cm878923
> 
> 
> With the phones going Face ID, what happens to Apple having started to
> put TouchID on Macs?
> 
> Interesting read.
> 
> 
> Linked within that article:
> (Time.com)
> Apple Design Chief Jonathan Ive on the iPhone X: We Had to Solve
> ‘Extraordinarily Complex Problems’
> 
> http://time.com/5025887/apple-jony-ive-iphone-x/

If TouchID goes away... many will not care. I access my iPad using a 10-digit alphanumeric passcode. I have never turned TouchID on. In the unlikely event that I buy a device with FaceID or similar, I won't turn FaceID on either.

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#110107

In article <98d42fa7-eb84-4353-ad05-e9da16350075@googlegroups.com>,
<northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:

> If TouchID goes away... many will not care. I access my iPad using a 10-digit
> alphanumeric passcode. I have never turned TouchID on. In the unlikely event
> that I buy a device with FaceID or similar, I won't turn FaceID on either.

that's incredibly dumb.

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#110108

On 2017-11-18 11:45, northerntiger@outlook.com wrote:

> If TouchID goes away... many will not care. 


At A WWDC presentation last yerta I believe, Apple put out statistics of
percentage of phones that are protected by password.

Before TouchID, it was small percentage. People need their phone too
often to be bothered with entering password constantly.

With the advent of TouchID, the percentage of who have activated it (and
thus also have password) rose to something like above 70%. It is a HUGE
jump. It becomes convenient to use the phone AND have security protection.


We can argue about law enforcement rights to force you to unlock, but
prior to TouchID, it wasn't an issue since vast majority kept phone
without password.

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#110116

In message <98d42fa7-eb84-4353-ad05-e9da16350075@googlegroups.com> northerntiger@outlook.com <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:02:31 AM UTC-5, JF Mezei wrote:
>> What Happens to Apple's Touch ID Now?
>> 
>> > http://www.nasdaq.com/article/what-happens-to-apples-touch-id-now-cm878923
>> 
>> 
>> With the phones going Face ID, what happens to Apple having started to
>> put TouchID on Macs?
>> 
>> Interesting read.
>> 
>> 
>> Linked within that article:
>> (Time.com)
>> Apple Design Chief Jonathan Ive on the iPhone X: We Had to Solve
>> ‘Extraordinarily Complex Problems’
>> 
>> http://time.com/5025887/apple-jony-ive-iphone-x/

> If TouchID goes away... many will not care. I access my iPad using a
> 10-digit alphanumeric passcode. I have never turned TouchID on. In the
> unlikely event that I buy a device with FaceID or similar, I won't
> turn FaceID on either.

Your loss.

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