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| Started by | Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> |
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| First post | 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400 |
| Last post | 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 186 — 23 participants |
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Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-12 19:55 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:24 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2012-08-12 23:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 03:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 11:42 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-13 12:11 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-13 12:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-14 15:30 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:46 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 12:32 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 16:08 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 18:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 23:32 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-14 23:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 03:14 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:51 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:52 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:06 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 00:44 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 01:04 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:35 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:45 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 13:59 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:38 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 06:11 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 00:46 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 08:04 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:24 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:52 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 14:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 15:42 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 22:40 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:56 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:57 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:28 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:33 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:50 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 22:27 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 01:32 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-16 09:14 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:21 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 06:13 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:56 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 12:19 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:37 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:07 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:55 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:17 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:15 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:50 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:15 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:49 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:18 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:08 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:45 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:14 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:05 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:26 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:20 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2012-08-14 08:51 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 09:31 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 10:09 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:19 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:16 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 08:58 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:39 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 14:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 12:05 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 15:11 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:12 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:17 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:08 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:49 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 16:52 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:54 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 18:09 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-18 06:34 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-18 18:40 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 13:19 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 14:46 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:45 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 15:59 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:05 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-18 13:49 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 16:02 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:09 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 22:05 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-19 05:25 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-19 13:42 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 03:39 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:19 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:41 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 01:05 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 08:02 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 15:36 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 04:27 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 06:35 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:26 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 13:02 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 12:57 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 15:49 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-17 04:57 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 09:36 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 14:43 -0400
Auto-Save, Ask to save changes, etc (Re: Losing my religion(?)) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 12:31 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 20:21 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 03:49 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 12:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:28 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:04 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:26 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:37 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:28 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:22 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:10 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:17 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:06 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-15 09:50 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 09:39 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:28 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 19:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:04 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 21:33 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 20:31 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-16 13:35 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:31 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:28 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:16 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 12:50 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:29 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 15:14 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:14 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:58 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:58 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 04:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:34 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:41 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:44 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:25 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:13 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 07:19 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:49 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 05:51 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:10 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:46 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:15 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 08:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-13 08:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 14:15 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 09:22 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 15:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 20:38 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 21:47 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:01 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-15 19:57 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-16 14:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <502d3f4e$0$1602$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #29576 |
Bread wrote: > one. At least now, Mountain Lion offers users a checkbox in > Preferences->General to "Ask to keep changes when closing documents". Does that disable autosave ? If I spend 3 hours reading a document during which changes were made without my realising it, won't those changes have been autosaved, overwriting the original, long before I close the document ? And if those changes have already been saved, will I even get the above dialogue since from the app point of view, if I have not made changes since the last autosave, it might consider the document to be unchanged and not issue the warning. Or has "autosave" always been only about when you close the document/application only and not done during the time the widnow was opened ?
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 12:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Auto-Save, Ask to save changes, etc (Re: Losing my religion(?)) |
| Message-ID | <k0jhpq$53q$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29585 |
On 2012-08-16 18:43:25 +0000, JF Mezei said: > Bread wrote: >> one. At least now, Mountain Lion offers users a checkbox in >> Preferences->General to "Ask to keep changes when closing documents". > > Does that disable autosave ? NO. It most certainly does not disable autosave. Once the file is opened (say, in TextEdit - which I used to demonstrate this), any edits are automatically and immediately saved. Period. If you look at the file using a different app while the file is still open and marked "Edited" in TextEdit, you'll see those edits saved - written to disk, the original file modified. However, with the "ask to keep changes" checkbox checked, the difference in behavior becomes apparent specifically and only when you either try to close the window or quit the app before explicitly "saving" the file. At that point, you'll get the dialog box asking "Do you want to save the changes made to the document?" where you may say "revert changes" "cancel" or "save". If you choose cancel, the window doesn't close or the app doesn't quite. If you choose save, well, nothing really happens since it's already been saved - it just gets tagged as saved and the window closes or the app quits. But if you say "revert" then it goes an rolls back the changes to the last time you explicitly hit "save". But make no mistake - it *does* autosave. The new option simply automates the rollback. This is a VAST improvement over the behavior of Lion, but it's NOT the same as either turning off autosave or turning on auto-locking. The file DOES get changed. It's just easier to change back. > > If I spend 3 hours reading a document during which changes were made > without my realising it, won't those changes have been autosaved, > overwriting the original, long before I close the document ? Yes. > And if > those changes have already been saved, will I even get the above > dialogue since from the app point of view, if I have not made changes > since the last autosave, There's a difference between autosave saves and explicit "Save" actions from the file menu. If a file is opened and edited, autosave saves changes - and as soon as the file is changed, the document is marked "edited". When you explicitly hit "Save" in the file menu, it's a user-initiated save, the "edited" flag is taken away, and you won't get that "roll back changes" dialog. > > Or has "autosave" always been only about when you close the > document/application only and not done during the time the widnow was > opened ? Autosave is active from the moment the document is opened and changed in the app whether you mean to make those changes or not. If you want to be certain that no changes get made to the document, you need to LOCK the document. Which used to be done automatically in Lion, but now under ML is only done manually. I'm trying to find a way to turn auto-locking back on in ML. The "revert" dialog box is an improvement over the default behavior in Lion, but it's not, in my opinion, a complete solution. The behavior on network-mounted volumes (or other volumes which don't support Versions databases) is a little bit different. When I did the same experiment, but this time saved the file on a network mounted volume then did the "cat walking on the keyboard" extra editing, the changes were, again, saved - and the file was changed - automatically and without me hitting "Save". But when I went to close the document without explicitly saving it, I didn't get the same "ask to keep changes" dialog. This time the dialog was this: The document TestFile.rtf is on a volume that does not support permanent version storage. Your changes have been saved and you will not be able to access older versions of this document once you close it. To undo your chagnes, click Revert. [revert][cancel][ok] So apparently the changes since last "save" - at least in the case of non-Versions volumes - are kept locally somewhere. They file does auto save, but the rollback data is different from Versions-enabled systems. It appears that the changes are stored in .TemporaryItems in the same directory as the file in question. That's also good news - the rollback data should be in the same place as the changed file. Still looking for a way to turn auto-lock back on. I'll let folks know if I find one.
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 20:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <k0k2qc$arm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29576 |
On 08-16-2012 12:36, Bread wrote:
> That would be great if it were really the case. And I say this as
> someone who *likes* autosave and versions and wants them to be great
> rather than just an early and incomplete release.
>
> You *can* and *do* lose data. (a) a changed file is, by definition, the
> loss of the previous state of the file - lost data; (b) being able to
> recover the file by going out of your way through Versions is not the
> same as not losing the data in the first place. Data lost which you
> have to go looking for to re-find is not the same as data that wasn't
> lost in the first place; (c) unless you are paying careful attention,
> you may not even know that you've lost the data so you won't know to go
> looking for it again; (d) have you looked through a versions history?
> It's just not always that easy, especially with a large document, to
> find just the one you were looking for; and perhaps worst of all (e) if
> you move the file to another filesystem, you lose the entire versions
> history.
Short version:
Screw something up in your doctoral dissertation, and the system doesn't
tell you. Move it to your portable drive and take it to a place with a
high-quality printer. Committee asks about the apparent problem. You
find that moving it to the portable drive lost the history.
--
Wes Groleau
“Statistics are like bikinis.
What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.”
— Aaron Levenstein
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 03:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <502ca624$0$12936$c3e8da3$40d4fd75@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #29556 |
Lewis wrote: > If you are editing httpd.conf in Textedit, then you are *not* the > general average user who they made this feature for. It isn't so much the fact that Textedit has that unwanted autosave that worries me. I can remove it from the dock and never really use it. The problem is Apple wanting to set the direction and wanting to lead other application developpers to follow the new apple guidelines that say "autosave, no save-as, version etc etc". I have have a definite line sof applications that implemebt autosave, I know whcih ones to avoid. But it is a shame if I have to avoid Preview beause it is now my prefered PDF viewer and I would have to revers to the adobe one and might have to use XV to view images or find some other image viewer.
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 12:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <140820121254098441%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #29403 |
(Someone): > > Where is it harmful? You can revert to any previous version. Howard S Shubs: > If you know that, yes. Otherwise, the inadvertantly-saved test you did > needs to be manually reverted. Enjoy. What you just said is that you have to learn how to use your software to benefit from it. Nothing new there. > MC is not functionality I use. I don't use Spaces either. Full Screen > apps is funny. Let's throw out the last 30 years of GUI and just use a > terminal. That's disingenuous. Each of those features is an invisible option, and there are people who like those options. To state the painfully obvious, those of you who don't like the features don't use them. What's the big deal? I have a six-year-old car with a CD player/changer that I have not used even once, but I don't complain about it being there. > Great. Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the > bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the > scroll bar. Not an improvement. You should get one of those keyboards that has Top, Bottom, Page Up, and Page Down keys. That's one gesture. Or, if you're using a Mac laptop learn to use the fn key with the appropriate arrow key. That's two gestures simultaneously, but your hands are already near those keys. It could hardly be easier to navigate a lengthy document in that way. > > The improvements to Mail's feature set in 10.7 were also very welcome, > > and I use the 'favorites' bar almost exclusively to switch mailboxes now. > I don't use Apple Mail. And that's the end of it? You don't use Mail.app so the improvements to Mail are irrelevant to the entire population of Mac users? Doesn't work that way, pal. > > In addition, there are all sorts of little features that I really like. > > I can select, for example, a bunch of items in my download folder and > > then rclick and say "Make a new folder with these items." I don't use > > that often, but when I do, I sure appreciate it. > Wow, it saves a click or two. Very impressive. Like the man said, when you need it it's handy. You want Apple should Apple remove the feature because you don't use it? > > Screen Sharing got a huge improvement in that I can use it to login to a > > remote machine that someone else is using and NOT have to login to their > > session. They can keep working in their login, and I can be using my own > > login at the same time. This is a *huge* improvement for me as it means > > I no longer have to schedule most admin tasks overnight when the > > machines aren't in use. > I'm sure that doesn't impede their machine's performance at all. You're absolutely right about that. I often monitor my wife's iMac display when she asks me to because she's in unfamiliar territory with Photoshop or another piece of software. If it'll run Photoshop and Aperture simultaneously at full speed with screen sharing active, you can be sure there's no performance hit. > > I know some people get their panties in a bunch over Resume, but I love > > it. I can be in the middle of a bunch of work with dozens of open > > documents and many unsaved changes and I can quite or even reboot > > without delay and end up back exactly where I was. > > Resume can be useful, okay. But compared to the rest, it's not nearly > enough to counterbalance things. I installed SL on an external drive > and am seriously considering switching to it. You make that sound like a childish threat. This is all about your ego; you want your Mac to be a certain way and those of us who prefer ours to be a different way are wrong. If you're waiting for approval from this group to switch back to SL, you should probably go ahead and do it. Don't wait for me to tell you you should stick with an OS that you don't like. There are also choices beyond the Mac OS. By the same token, your telling others that they shouldn't have features that you don't like is not working. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 13:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <502a9080$0$8607$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #29415 |
Davoud wrote: > That's disingenuous. Each of those features is an invisible option, and > there are people who like those options. To state the painfully > obvious, those of you who don't like the features don't use them. > What's the big deal? Since Apple has what is essentially unlimited money and resources, having it work on "add ons" that you don't use is not much of a problem because it does not jeoperdize their ability to deliver on other stuff. Operating systems with limited development resources are different because if they assign resources to do work on a feature people don't use, it means that those resources are not working on features that people want/need.
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 14:28 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-5DDF8E.14281314082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29420 |
In article <502a9080$0$8607$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > Operating systems with limited development resources are different > because if they assign resources to do work on a feature people don't > use, it means that those resources are not working on features that > people want/need. Yes, such as for instance keeping the OS up to date with utilities like rsync. That'd be nice. You and I, we're on the same page both here and with VMS. We need to find another option. -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 16:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0smsf9-do4.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #29432 |
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:28:13 -0600, Howard S Shubs wrote: > In article <502a9080$0$8607$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> Operating systems with limited development resources are different >> because if they assign resources to do work on a feature people don't >> use, it means that those resources are not working on features that >> people want/need. > > Yes, such as for instance keeping the OS up to date with utilities like > rsync. That'd be nice. And that's the reason that the author of backuplist+ distributes his own version of rsync with that package. IIRC it wasn't just a matter of being up to date but the incorporation of compile time options that he needed to make it really sing. > You and I, we're on the same page both here and with VMS. We need to > find another option. I know what you mean. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 14:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-371C6F.14264714082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29415 |
In article <140820121254098441%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > > MC is not functionality I use. I don't use Spaces either. Full Screen > > apps is funny. Let's throw out the last 30 years of GUI and just use a > > terminal. > > That's disingenuous. Each of those features is an invisible option, and > there are people who like those options. To state the painfully > obvious, those of you who don't like the features don't use them. > What's the big deal? I have a six-year-old car with a CD player/changer > that I have not used even once, but I don't complain about it being > there. Having the minimal electrical load in your car, taking up dashboard space, doesn't bother you. Fine. Having the additional performance hit, since it clearly adds up in Lion, does bother me. And I bet if you had something you wanted to use the dashboard space in your car for, but couldn't, it'd bother you too. > > Great. Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the > > bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the > > scroll bar. Not an improvement. > > You should get one of those keyboards that has Top, Bottom, Page Up, > and Page Down keys. That's one gesture. Or, if you're using a Mac > laptop learn to use the fn key with the appropriate arrow key. That's > two gestures simultaneously, but your hands are already near those > keys. It could hardly be easier to navigate a lengthy document in that > way. Not all software behaves properly with those keys. The thing is, when I have my hand on the mouse, switching back and forth all the time costs me seconds, which add up in terms of annoyance. It was working nicely before, but Apple changed it anyway. > And that's the end of it? You don't use Mail.app so the improvements to > Mail are irrelevant to the entire population of Mac users? Doesn't work > that way, pal. Works that way for me. I'm the only Apple user in this body. What works or doesn't work for me is significant to me. > Like the man said, when you need it it's handy. You want Apple should > Apple remove the feature because you don't use it? I'd rather Apple spent the time on something more useful, sure. > > Resume can be useful, okay. But compared to the rest, it's not nearly > > enough to counterbalance things. I installed SL on an external drive > > and am seriously considering switching to it. > > You make that sound like a childish threat. This is all about your ego; > you want your Mac to be a certain way and those of us who prefer ours > to be a different way are wrong. If you're waiting for approval from > this group to switch back to SL, you should probably go ahead and do > it. Don't wait for me to tell you you should stick with an OS that you > don't like. There are also choices beyond the Mac OS. By the same > token, your telling others that they shouldn't have features that you > don't like is not working. I'm expressing myself. You and I don't agree on everything; this is not surprising or too upsetting. I feel Apple is moving the os in a bad direction. After following Apple since 1977, that bothers me. -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 22:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <140820122237367662%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #29431 |
Davoud: > > That's disingenuous. Each of those features is an invisible option, and > > there are people who like those options. To state the painfully > > obvious, those of you who don't like the features don't use them. > > What's the big deal? I have a six-year-old car with a CD player/changer > > that I have not used even once, but I don't complain about it being > > there. Howard S Shubs: > Having the minimal electrical load in your car, taking up dashboard > space, doesn't bother you. Fine. Having the additional performance > hit, since it clearly adds up in Lion, does bother me. And I bet if you > had something you wanted to use the dashboard space in your car for, but > couldn't, it'd bother you too. What part of your Mac is running more slowly in Lion? Everything? The difference I noted in Lion--even more so in ML--is improved performance with Aperture and Photoshop CS6. I recently worked on a couple of 1 GB+ TIFFs on a late model 27" iMac with 16GB RAM and ML and the increased speed in loading, running scripts, and saving was palpable. Piddly little programs like TextEdit and a few others don't have much room for performance increases as judged by human time standards. I click the TextEdit icon and a blank page appears with a rapidity that is indistinguishable from instantaneous; certainly much faster than I can prepare myself to begin typing. New Finder window or new Directory--instantaneous. Mail.app, however, appears to take about 1/2 second to load from not running. An eternity in Mac time. But since I leave it running all the time I tend to forget that lengthy startup period. > > You should get one of those keyboards that has Top, Bottom, Page Up, > > and Page Down keys. That's one gesture. Or, if you're using a Mac > > laptop learn to use the fn key with the appropriate arrow key. That's > > two gestures simultaneously, but your hands are already near those > > keys. It could hardly be easier to navigate a lengthy document in that > > way. > Not all software behaves properly with those keys. The thing is, when I > have my hand on the mouse, switching back and forth all the time costs > me seconds, which add up in terms of annoyance. It was working nicely > before, but Apple changed it anyway. So get a mouse with a scroll wheel. Better, a Microsoft Mouse with programmable buttons that will take you to the top or bottom of the document. > > And that's the end of it? You don't use Mail.app so the improvements to > > Mail are irrelevant to the entire population of Mac users? Doesn't work > > that way, pal. Once again, you don't use Apple Mail, so why even talk about it? Or does the knowledge that it exists slow your system as well? > > Like the man said, when you need it it's handy. You want Apple should > > Apple remove the feature because you don't use it? > I'd rather Apple spent the time on something more useful, sure. Everybody's an expert on what Apple should be doing. And it's still not entirely about what you like. Get over that and be happy. > > > Resume can be useful, okay. But compared to the rest, it's not nearly > > > enough to counterbalance things. I installed SL on an external drive > > > and am seriously considering switching to it. > > You make that sound like a childish threat. This is all about your ego; > > you want your Mac to be a certain way and those of us who prefer ours > > to be a different way are wrong. If you're waiting for approval from > > this group to switch back to SL, you should probably go ahead and do > > it. Don't wait for me to tell you you should stick with an OS that you > > don't like. There are also choices beyond the Mac OS. By the same > > token, your telling others that they shouldn't have features that you > > don't like is not working. > > I'm expressing myself. You and I don't agree on everything; this is not > surprising or too upsetting. I feel Apple is moving the os in a bad > direction. After following Apple since 1977, that bothers me. And I again find myself stating the obvious--that if you don't like Lion or ML you should move on to something that you do like. No stigma, no need to explain yourself or seek approval from your peers. That's why I don't get the problem. Back to my car analogy: If I decide I don't like my cars due to bad ergonomics (which is what you are talking about, basically, I think) I just get something different. Ain't Nobody's Business If I Do. I just want you to know that your pronouncements come across like the word of god. "If you don't agree with me, you are damned." I acknowledge each of the points you raised--for you--but I make no apology because ML suits my needs just fine. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 21:28 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-DCF209.21285314082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29468 |
In article <140820122237367662%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Davoud: > > > That's disingenuous. Each of those features is an invisible option, and > > > there are people who like those options. To state the painfully > > > obvious, those of you who don't like the features don't use them. > > > What's the big deal? I have a six-year-old car with a CD player/changer > > > that I have not used even once, but I don't complain about it being > > > there. > > Howard S Shubs: > > Having the minimal electrical load in your car, taking up dashboard > > space, doesn't bother you. Fine. Having the additional performance > > hit, since it clearly adds up in Lion, does bother me. And I bet if you > > had something you wanted to use the dashboard space in your car for, but > > couldn't, it'd bother you too. > > What part of your Mac is running more slowly in Lion? Everything? Pretty much. It boots slower, WoW has more issues IIRC, as well as a number of other places where things like FireFox, Word, and Excel, are having problems. > The difference I noted in Lion--even more so in ML--is improved > performance with Aperture and Photoshop CS6. I recently worked on a > couple of 1 GB+ TIFFs on a late model 27" iMac with 16GB RAM and ML > and the increased speed in loading, running scripts, and saving was > palpable. Piddly little programs like TextEdit and a few others don't > have much room for performance increases as judged by human time > standards. I click the TextEdit icon and a blank page appears with a > rapidity that is indistinguishable from instantaneous; certainly much > faster than I can prepare myself to begin typing. New Finder window > or new Directory--instantaneous. Mail.app, however, appears to take > about 1/2 second to load from not running. An eternity in Mac time. > But since I leave it running all the time I tend to forget that > lengthy startup period. Not for me. Finder is slower than ever. Creating a new Finder window, or opening a folder, is no longer instantaneous. And Open dialogs in BBEdit take a while to load directories now. > > Not all software behaves properly with those keys. The thing is, when I > > have my hand on the mouse, switching back and forth all the time costs > > me seconds, which add up in terms of annoyance. It was working nicely > > before, but Apple changed it anyway. > > So get a mouse with a scroll wheel. Better, a Microsoft Mouse with > programmable buttons that will take you to the top or bottom of the > document. I have one with a scroll wheel, thanks. Takes forever to scroll up and down a large web page, for instance. > Everybody's an expert on what Apple should be doing. And it's still not > entirely about what you like. Get over that and be happy. They should hire me and let me lead the OS group. Yep. > > I'm expressing myself. You and I don't agree on everything; this is not > > surprising or too upsetting. I feel Apple is moving the os in a bad > > direction. After following Apple since 1977, that bothers me. > > And I again find myself stating the obvious--that if you don't like > Lion or ML you should move on to something that you do like. No stigma, > no need to explain yourself or seek approval from your peers. That's > why I don't get the problem. Back to my car analogy: If I decide I > don't like my cars due to bad ergonomics (which is what you are talking > about, basically, I think) I just get something different. Ain't > Nobody's Business If I Do. The ergonomics are part of it, sure. And I will. I'd just prefer not to have to. > I just want you to know that your pronouncements come across like the > word of god. "If you don't agree with me, you are damned." I > acknowledge each of the points you raised--for you--but I make no > apology because ML suits my needs just fine. Lucky you!! :-D -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 22:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <k0f15p$dgl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29415 |
On 08-14-2012 12:54, Davoud wrote: > You make that sound like a childish threat. This is all about your ego; > you want your Mac to be a certain way and those of us who prefer ours > to be a different way are wrong. If you're waiting for approval from That's bull. People say what they don't like about it, others condemn them for an attitude problem, and when they respond in kind, you chew them out for condemning others? (Not that responding in kind is commendable.) -- Wes Groleau Words of the Wild Wes http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 21:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2lfn1.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29403 |
In message <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com> Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: > In article <slrnk2jr4s.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <k0c5ms$qc0$1@dont-email.me> >> Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: >> > On 08-13-2012 15:11, Bread wrote: >> >> But folks acting like Versions and AutoSave are a dealbreaker on Lion >> >> are just blowing it way out of proportion. >> >> > Versions is useless to me where I need versioning because I already have >> > better solutions. It is a waste of resources where I don't need it. >> >> How many resources are you talking about? Practically NONE. >> >> > Autosave is useless to me anywhere, and harmful in a few places. >> >> Where is it harmful? You can revert to any previous version. > If you know that, yes. Otherwise, the inadvertantly-saved test you did > needs to be manually reverted. Enjoy. I have no idea what you are saying here. Something was saved, you can revert. what is the problem? >> In addition, there are all sorts of little features that I really like. >> I can select, for example, a bunch of items in my download folder and >> then rclick and say "Make a new folder with these items." I don't use >> that often, but when I do, I sure appreciate it. > Wow, it saves a click or two. Very impressive. It saves much more than that. I select a bunch of files. Oh wait, I think i want to put them in a folder instead of moving them or trashing them. Great, create a folder. Reselect all the files. >> Screen Sharing got a huge improvement in that I can use it to login to a >> remote machine that someone else is using and NOT have to login to their >> session. They can keep working in their login, and I can be using my own >> login at the same time. This is a *huge* improvement for me as it means >> I no longer have to schedule most admin tasks overnight when the >> machines aren't in use. > I'm sure that doesn't impede their machine's performance at all. No one has yet to notice when I am logged in to a separate session. It's not like I'm playing World of Warcraft over Screen Sharing. -- Good old Dame Fortune. You can _depend_ on her.
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 16:17 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-D836DE.16175814082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29436 |
In article <slrnk2lfn1.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com> > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: > > If you know that, yes. Otherwise, the inadvertantly-saved test you did > > needs to be manually reverted. Enjoy. > > I have no idea what you are saying here. Something was saved, you can > revert. what is the problem? You didn't save it. You didn't want it saved. You didn't know it was saved at the time. Nothing told you it was. Three weeks later, you come back to it, and it's not like it should be. > No one has yet to notice when I am logged in to a separate session. It's > not like I'm playing World of Warcraft over Screen Sharing. Well, that's good. Unless one or the other of you *is* running something heavy, I suppose. -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 02:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2m11i.1trd.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29447 |
In message <howard-D836DE.16175814082012@news.giganews.com> Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: > In article <slrnk2lfn1.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com> >> Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: >> > If you know that, yes. Otherwise, the inadvertantly-saved test you did >> > needs to be manually reverted. Enjoy. >> >> I have no idea what you are saying here. Something was saved, you can >> revert. what is the problem? > You didn't save it. You didn't want it saved. You didn't know it was > saved at the time. Nothing told you it was. Three weeks later, you > come back to it, and it's not like it should be. Ohnoes! It will take me almost 3 seconds to restore it to the previous version. I am still not seeing the problem. -- Transvestite: A guy who likes to eat, drink and be Mary.
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 21:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-E23D97.21230114082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29458 |
In article <slrnk2m11i.1trd.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <howard-D836DE.16175814082012@news.giganews.com> > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: > > You didn't save it. You didn't want it saved. You didn't know it was > > saved at the time. Nothing told you it was. Three weeks later, you > > come back to it, and it's not like it should be. > > Ohnoes! It will take me almost 3 seconds to restore it to the previous > version. I am still not seeing the problem. Yes, you're not seeing the problem. If you didn't know it had been saved, you also won't know how to revert it, and will do it by hand. There are a lot more people who are like this than people like you. That's the issue Apple's trying to deal with in the first place. -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 09:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ydnmx1wgnmz.fsf@shell.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #29447 |
Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes: > In article <slrnk2lfn1.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> In message <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com> >> Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote: >> > If you know that, yes. Otherwise, the inadvertantly-saved test you did >> > needs to be manually reverted. Enjoy. >> >> I have no idea what you are saying here. Something was saved, you can >> revert. what is the problem? > > You didn't save it. You didn't want it saved. You didn't know it was > saved at the time. Nothing told you it was. Three weeks later, you > come back to it, and it's not like it should be. > Worst case: you send it to a customer and *they* notice it. -- Jim Janney
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 09:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <140820120939564656%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #29395 |
In article <slrnk2jr4s.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> But folks acting like Versions and AutoSave are a dealbreaker on Lion > >> are just blowing it way out of proportion. > > > Versions is useless to me where I need versioning because I already have > > better solutions. It is a waste of resources where I don't need it. > > How many resources are you talking about? Practically NONE. maybe for a text editor it's negligible, but think about what might happen when a graphics app continually autosaves multiple versions of 100 megabyte images. > > Autosave is useless to me anywhere, and harmful in a few places. > > Where is it harmful? You can revert to any previous version. not if the file is on a file server and version information cannot be written. then you have data loss. that's not acceptable.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 21:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2lgn9.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29407 |
In message <140820120939564656%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnk2jr4s.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >> But folks acting like Versions and AutoSave are a dealbreaker on Lion >> >> are just blowing it way out of proportion. >> >> > Versions is useless to me where I need versioning because I already have >> > better solutions. It is a waste of resources where I don't need it. >> >> How many resources are you talking about? Practically NONE. > maybe for a text editor it's negligible, but think about what might > happen when a graphics app continually autosaves multiple versions of > 100 megabyte images. Which graphic app? This is important, because in order to use Auto-Save an application has to support it and versions, which means supporting the 'chunking' save formats that Time Machine and Versions and Auto Save use. So which graphics app is using Autosave? >> > Autosave is useless to me anywhere, and harmful in a few places. >> >> Where is it harmful? You can revert to any previous version. > not if the file is on a file server and version information cannot be > written. then you have data loss. that's not acceptable. Has that happened to you? -- "Esprit de corpse," said the Senior Wrangler. Ridcully glared at him
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 19:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <502ae28f$0$1374$c3e8da3$50776f34@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #29438 |
Lewis wrote: > So which graphics app is using Autosave? Which is where the "autosave" is even more dangerous because you don't know which apps will muck with your orginal file without your permission/knowledge and which ones won't.
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