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  Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2015-04-05 03:43 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-04 21:02 -0700
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-05 16:03 +1200
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-04-05 12:12 +0200
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-05 04:33 +0000
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-04-05 14:57 -0700
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-05 22:57 +0000
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-06 11:57 +1200
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 03:57 +0000
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-06 16:33 +1200
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 04:56 +0000
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-06 01:00 -0400
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-06 17:43 +1200
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 15:53 +0000
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-04-06 05:21 -0700
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 09:10 -0400
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 15:51 +0000
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-04-06 20:38 -0700
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-06 13:25 +0000
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-07 02:25 +0000
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 15:47 +0000
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-06 10:01 -0400
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 14:56 +1100
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-05 01:31 -0400
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 22:45 -0700
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-05 04:13 -0400
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 13:47 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-05 15:59 +0000
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 16:15 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 12:59 -0400
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 17:22 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-05 14:08 -0700
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:49 -0700
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 21:55 +0000
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-06 23:51 -0400
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 23:54 -0400
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-08 09:53 +0000
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-07 18:08 +1200
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-07 03:38 -0400
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 09:35 -0400
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-07 13:25 +1200
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-07 18:08 +1200
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-07 09:06 -0700
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:52 -0700
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-04-08 21:00 -0400
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 12:48 +0000
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-04-10 22:23 -0400
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-11 14:49 +1200
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 12:17 +0000

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#72653 — Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks?

My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
since what I already have *WORKS*.

But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least 
Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the 
free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.

But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
I need to be aware of, big or small?

(None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page 
<https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason or 
another.)

-- 
kill -9 needs no justification!
 -- BOfH

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#72656

In article <XnsA472D30D189CEauricauricauricauric@213.239.209.88>,
Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
> since what I already have *WORKS*.
> 
> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least 
> Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the 
> free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.
> 
> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
> I need to be aware of, big or small?

Nope.  Just make sure you back up the hard drive first, but that
applies for any OS update or upgrade.

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#72657

In article <XnsA472D30D189CEauricauricauricauric@213.239.209.88>,
Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
> 
> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
> since what I already have *WORKS*.
> 
> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least 
> Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the 
> free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.
> 
> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
> I need to be aware of, big or small?
> 
> (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page 
> <https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason or 
> another.)

Three possible issues come immediately to mind:

   - An older printer may no longer work. Some manufacturers
     are extremely bad at updating drivers for their old 
     printers when new versions of OS X are released. You 
     might be able to work-around that with a third-party 
     hack, but you tend to lose some of the printer's 
     features.

   - If you're still using any old PowerPC-based software. 
     Apple dropped Rosetta (the software which "translates" 
     PPC code to Intel code on the fly) when they released
     Lion, so PowerPC-based applications will no longer work.

   - With such a relatively big jump, you will almost 
     certainly find some of your old applications no longer
     work properly or don't work at all, meaning that although
     the OS upgrade might be free, there may be a substantial
     cost in upgrading other software.


The best option is to usually clone your current boot disk to an
external drive so you can still reboot in Snow Leopard if needed. Then
(after making sure the clone actually works!) install the newer OS on
the internal drive.

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#72665

On 2015-04-05 04:03:03 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <XnsA472D30D189CEauricauricauricauric@213.239.209.88>,
> Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
>> 
>> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux &
>> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially
>> since what I already have *WORKS*.
>> 
>> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least
>> Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the
>> free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.
>> 
>> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas
>> I need to be aware of, big or small?
>> 
>> (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page
>> <https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason or
>> another.)

You may want to consider this. Since Yosemite, there has been a problem 
with the sleep and turn off function of external thunderbolt discs.
1. My Mac Pro (black) when in sleep heats up. No big problem, but not 
really fine.
2. Putting external discs to sleep may or will get you error messages 
about not having ejected discs properly.
3. Shutting down thunderbolt drives (after ejecting them) will cause a 
kernel panic. This has been experienced on different makes of drives.

The only solution: don't shut down external drives, eject them when you 
don't use them, and put them to sleep. Apple hasn't acknowledged this 
problem so far. LaCie and other makes are waiting for an update of 
Yosemite that will return the good old sleep function and shut down 
option for external drives.

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#72659

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 03:43:53 +0000, Auric__ wrote:

> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux &
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system...
> especially since what I already have *WORKS*.
> 
> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at
> least Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store
> offering the free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going
> through with it.
> 
> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or
> gotchas I need to be aware of, big or small?
> 
> (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page
> <https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason
> or another.)

You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came with 
10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my computers(Scientific Linux 
6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had over 4 thousand plus iPhotos from 
my old G4 and over 600 iTunes.  Everything transferred over well, and I 
am enjoying the iMac.

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#72692

In article <mfqdu3$v64$1@dont-email.me>,
 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 03:43:53 +0000, Auric__ wrote:
> 
> > My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux &
> > Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system...
> > especially since what I already have *WORKS*.
> > 
> > But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at
> > least Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store
> > offering the free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going
> > through with it.
> > 
> > But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or
> > gotchas I need to be aware of, big or small?
> > 
> > (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page
> > <https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason
> > or another.)
> 
> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came with 
> 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my computers(Scientific Linux 
> 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had over 4 thousand plus iPhotos from 
> my old G4 and over 600 iTunes.  Everything transferred over well, and I 
> am enjoying the iMac.

I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a 
3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you need 
to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able to 
install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I don't 
know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and beyond 
since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is xfs, 
signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and systemd.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#72698

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:57:14 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:


>> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came
>> with 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my computers(Scientific
>> Linux 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had over 4 thousand plus
>> iPhotos from my old G4 and over 600 iTunes.  Everything transferred
>> over well, and I am enjoying the iMac.
> 
> I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a
> 3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you need
> to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able to
> install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I don't
> know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and beyond
> since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is xfs,
> signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and
> systemd.

I am not running SL7 because it is only 64bit, and according to SL/CentOS 
forums, is buggy.  I am also on ElRepo kernel repo, and am running the 
newest kernel, 3.18.3, I think!  Plus, SL 6.x is supported until 2020, 
and it is running pure GNOME 2, which I prefer.  I tried the new MATE 
desktop, but prefer GNOME 2.  I do not have systemd, and am running ext4 
as my file system.  More reasons that I do not want to run SL7.  My 
Thinkpad T400s do NOT have UEFI and I will never have a computer that 
supports that crap!

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#72700

In article <mfsel4$pmb$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:57:14 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:
> 
> 
> >> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came
> >> with 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my computers(Scientific
> >> Linux 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had over 4 thousand plus
> >> iPhotos from my old G4 and over 600 iTunes.  Everything transferred
> >> over well, and I am enjoying the iMac.
> > 
> > I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a
> > 3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you need
> > to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able to
> > install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I don't
> > know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and beyond
> > since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is xfs,
> > signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and
> > systemd.
> 
> I am not running SL7 because it is only 64bit, and according to SL/CentOS 
> forums, is buggy.  I am also on ElRepo kernel repo, and am running the 
> newest kernel, 3.18.3, I think!  Plus, SL 6.x is supported until 2020, 
> and it is running pure GNOME 2, which I prefer.  I tried the new MATE 
> desktop, but prefer GNOME 2.  I do not have systemd, and am running ext4 
> as my file system.  More reasons that I do not want to run SL7.  My 
> Thinkpad T400s do NOT have UEFI and I will never have a computer that 
> supports that crap!

SL = Snow Leopard ... you should probably use a different abbreviation
for Scientific Linux, maybe SciLi.   :-)

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#72706

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:57:19 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> In article <mfsel4$pmb$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:57:14 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> >> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came
>> >> with 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my
>> >> computers(Scientific Linux 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had
>> >> over 4 thousand plus iPhotos from my old G4 and over 600 iTunes. 
>> >> Everything transferred over well, and I am enjoying the iMac.
>> > 
>> > I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a
>> > 3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you
>> > need to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able
>> > to install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I
>> > don't know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and
>> > beyond since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is
>> > xfs, signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and
>> > systemd.
>> 
>> I am not running SL7 because it is only 64bit, and according to
>> SL/CentOS forums, is buggy.  I am also on ElRepo kernel repo, and am
>> running the newest kernel, 3.18.3, I think!  Plus, SL 6.x is supported
>> until 2020, and it is running pure GNOME 2, which I prefer.  I tried
>> the new MATE desktop, but prefer GNOME 2.  I do not have systemd, and
>> am running ext4 as my file system.  More reasons that I do not want to
>> run SL7.  My Thinkpad T400s do NOT have UEFI and I will never have a
>> computer that supports that crap!
> 
> SL = Snow Leopard ... you should probably use a different abbreviation
> for Scientific Linux, maybe SciLi.   :-)

Sorry, I was replying to Michael Vilain who was commenting on SL
(Scientific Linux 6.6 vs. 7).  I assume that he runs Linux, as he knows a 
lot about the distro, the kernel, etc.

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#72708

In article <mft06u$3mf$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:57:19 +1200, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <mfsel4$pmb$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:57:14 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came
> >> >> with 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my
> >> >> computers(Scientific Linux 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had
> >> >> over 4 thousand plus iPhotos from my old G4 and over 600 iTunes. 
> >> >> Everything transferred over well, and I am enjoying the iMac.
> >> > 
> >> > I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a
> >> > 3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you
> >> > need to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able
> >> > to install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I
> >> > don't know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and
> >> > beyond since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is
> >> > xfs, signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and
> >> > systemd.
> >> 
> >> I am not running SL7 because it is only 64bit, and according to
> >> SL/CentOS forums, is buggy.  I am also on ElRepo kernel repo, and am
> >> running the newest kernel, 3.18.3, I think!  Plus, SL 6.x is supported
> >> until 2020, and it is running pure GNOME 2, which I prefer.  I tried
> >> the new MATE desktop, but prefer GNOME 2.  I do not have systemd, and
> >> am running ext4 as my file system.  More reasons that I do not want to
> >> run SL7.  My Thinkpad T400s do NOT have UEFI and I will never have a
> >> computer that supports that crap!
> > 
> > SL = Snow Leopard ... you should probably use a different abbreviation
> > for Scientific Linux, maybe SciLi.   :-)
> 
> Sorry, I was replying to Michael Vilain who was commenting on SL
> (Scientific Linux 6.6 vs. 7).  I assume that he runs Linux, as he knows a 
> lot about the distro, the kernel, etc.

Yep, I knew that, but it is a Mac system newsgroup and there are a lot
of dimbulbs around here (some of them are barely capable of reading the
current message, let alone the ones you're replying to) so they will
get confused.  :-)

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#72710

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 16:33:35 +1200, Your Name wrote:


>> Sorry, I was replying to Michael Vilain who was commenting on SL
>> (Scientific Linux 6.6 vs. 7).  I assume that he runs Linux, as he knows
>> a lot about the distro, the kernel, etc.
> 
> Yep, I knew that, but it is a Mac system newsgroup and there are a lot
> of dimbulbs around here (some of them are barely capable of reading the
> current message, let alone the ones you're replying to) so they will get
> confused.  :-)

LOL!  I always was a fan of the three-way bulb, 75-100-150W myself!  No 
damned 15W for me!

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#72711

On 15-04-06 00:33, Your Name wrote:

> Yep, I knew that, but it is a Mac system newsgroup and there are a lot
> of dimbulbs around here (some of them are barely capable of reading the
> current message, let alone the ones you're replying to) so they will
> get confused.  :-)


Well, I got really happy at the news that Apple would release an upgrade
called Snow Leopard 7. Spent hours on the App Store to try to find it,
but to no avail.

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

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#72714

In article <55221304$0$16687$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-06 00:33, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> > Yep, I knew that, but it is a Mac system newsgroup and there are a lot
> > of dimbulbs around here (some of them are barely capable of reading the
> > current message, let alone the ones you're replying to) so they will
> > get confused.  :-)
> 
> Well, I got really happy at the news that Apple would release an upgrade
> called Snow Leopard 7. Spent hours on the App Store to try to find it,
> but to no avail.
> 
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Technically there is a "Snow Leopard 7" ... just download the Mac OS X
10.6.7 update: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1363     ;-)
(Or 10.6.6 for those who want to be pedantic.)

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#72728

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 01:00:50 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> On 15-04-06 00:33, Your Name wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I knew that, but it is a Mac system newsgroup and there are a lot
>> of dimbulbs around here (some of them are barely capable of reading the
>> current message, let alone the ones you're replying to) so they will
>> get confused.  :-)
> 
> 
> Well, I got really happy at the news that Apple would release an upgrade
> called Snow Leopard 7. Spent hours on the App Store to try to find it,
> but to no avail.
> 
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

I'm sure that you were not alone!  Maybe Apple should take one good 
release and give it support for 10 years!  From what I hear, Snow Leopard 
was very good, and a lot of people still love it and run it.

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#72717

In article <mft06u$3mf$1@dont-email.me>,
 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:57:19 +1200, Your Name wrote:
> 
> > In article <mfsel4$pmb$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:57:14 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came
> >> >> with 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my
> >> >> computers(Scientific Linux 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had
> >> >> over 4 thousand plus iPhotos from my old G4 and over 600 iTunes. 
> >> >> Everything transferred over well, and I am enjoying the iMac.
> >> > 
> >> > I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a
> >> > 3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you
> >> > need to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able
> >> > to install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I
> >> > don't know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and
> >> > beyond since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is
> >> > xfs, signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and
> >> > systemd.
> >> 
> >> I am not running SL7 because it is only 64bit, and according to
> >> SL/CentOS forums, is buggy.  I am also on ElRepo kernel repo, and am
> >> running the newest kernel, 3.18.3, I think!  Plus, SL 6.x is supported
> >> until 2020, and it is running pure GNOME 2, which I prefer.  I tried
> >> the new MATE desktop, but prefer GNOME 2.  I do not have systemd, and
> >> am running ext4 as my file system.  More reasons that I do not want to
> >> run SL7.  My Thinkpad T400s do NOT have UEFI and I will never have a
> >> computer that supports that crap!
> > 
> > SL = Snow Leopard ... you should probably use a different abbreviation
> > for Scientific Linux, maybe SciLi.   :-)
> 
> Sorry, I was replying to Michael Vilain who was commenting on SL
> (Scientific Linux 6.6 vs. 7).  I assume that he runs Linux, as he knows a 
> lot about the distro, the kernel, etc.

I run it at work on our compute farm.  I've had this argument with the 
data center manager who thought upgrading the Sun grid compute cluster 
from SL 5.8 to 6.4 was a big deal.  We (the upstart startup they bought) 
want to go from Fedora 17 to Centos 7 (aka SL 7).  More packages for the 
developers (they're always asking for more current stuff and we have to 
build it if there's no package for it), longer support, more features 
(we're looking at Docker packages and VM).

But they ask me the Mac questions, like "how can I make MacOS recognize 
DNS search strings when booted from DHCP?" Apparently the data center 
manager wants to just publish the new search string with multiple 
domains in DHCP and have it "just work", like it does in Linux.  Seems 
both Mac OS and Windows won't do it without intervention.

I'm still trying to do network bootable disk images, a question I asked 
this group but for which I got no response.

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#72718

In article <vilain-4B105C.05214006042015@news.individual.net>,
 Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> I'm still trying to do network bootable disk images, a question I asked 
> this group but for which I got no response.

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH15419?locale=en_US

(admittedly, it's for Mavericks).


>  We (the upstart startup they bought) 
> want to go from Fedora 17 to Centos 7 (aka SL 7).  More packages for the 
> developers (they're always asking for more current stuff and we have to 
> build it if there's no package for it), longer support, more features 
> (we're looking at Docker packages and VM).

Arch Linux. I know that there are valid reasons not to use Arch in a 
corporate environment (or if you really truly hate systemd), but there 
is a concept within the community of "stable release." Also, you don't 
have to install all the "testing" packages. Great (srsly) documentation 
and pleasant online support.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
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#72727

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 09:10:40 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <vilain-4B105C.05214006042015@news.individual.net>,
>  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
>> I'm still trying to do network bootable disk images, a question I asked
>> this group but for which I got no response.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH15419?locale=en_US
> 
> (admittedly, it's for Mavericks).
> 
> 
>>  We (the upstart startup they bought)
>> want to go from Fedora 17 to Centos 7 (aka SL 7).  More packages for
>> the developers (they're always asking for more current stuff and we
>> have to build it if there's no package for it), longer support, more
>> features (we're looking at Docker packages and VM).
> 
> Arch Linux. I know that there are valid reasons not to use Arch in a
> corporate environment (or if you really truly hate systemd), but there
> is a concept within the community of "stable release." Also, you don't
> have to install all the "testing" packages. Great (srsly) documentation
> and pleasant online support.

Arch is great, if you want to "roll your own", it has a high learning 
curve, and is only KDE.  Unfortunately, Red Hat has jumped on the systemd 
bandwagon, along with Pulse Audio and some other crap.  Also, Arch is a 
rolling release, which is good, but you have to be careful that the 
"rolling" stuff doesn't break your system.
I prefer to stay with releases that give you the 10 year support, that is 
why I am sticking with Scientific Linux 6.x until 2020.  When that EOD 
date comes, then I hope and pray that SL 8 will fix the crap that SL 7 is 
filled with.

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#72764

In article <552285d2$0$20146$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <vilain-4B105C.05214006042015@news.individual.net>,
>  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm still trying to do network bootable disk images, a question I asked 
> > this group but for which I got no response.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH15419?locale=en_US
> 
> (admittedly, it's for Mavericks).
> 
> 
> >  We (the upstart startup they bought) 
> > want to go from Fedora 17 to Centos 7 (aka SL 7).  More packages for the 
> > developers (they're always asking for more current stuff and we have to 
> > build it if there's no package for it), longer support, more features 
> > (we're looking at Docker packages and VM).
> 
> Arch Linux. I know that there are valid reasons not to use Arch in a 
> corporate environment (or if you really truly hate systemd), but there 
> is a concept within the community of "stable release." Also, you don't 
> have to install all the "testing" packages. Great (srsly) documentation 
> and pleasant online support.

Mavericks is just fine, thanks for the link.

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#72721

In message <vilain-4B105C.05214006042015@news.individual.net> 
  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> I'm still trying to do network bootable disk images, a question I asked 
> this group but for which I got no response.

Did you?

It's pretty straight forward in OS X Server.

I think this article on ars is pretty detailed and complete, at least on
my quick skim.

While the Server app only makes netboot images for it's OS version I
seem to recall you can make one for a different version via diskutil
(possibly from the command-line version only) but you'd have to do some
googling for that one (unless it's covered later in that ars write-up).


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drink beer. -- Jason Gaes

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#72755

In message <slrnmi52ci.23qi.g.kreme@amelia.local> 
  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <vilain-4B105C.05214006042015@news.individual.net> 
>   Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> I'm still trying to do network bootable disk images, a question I asked 
>> this group but for which I got no response.

> Did you?

> It's pretty straight forward in OS X Server.

> I think this article on ars is pretty detailed and complete, at least on
> my quick skim.

Doh. Forgot the link.

<http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/11/a-power-users-guide-to-os-x-server-yosemite-edition/9/>


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