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On 2018-05-25 14:39:59 +0000, Peter Kozlov said:
> On May 24, 2018, Your Name wrote
> (in article <pe815t$bk9$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
>> On 2018-05-24 21:19:49 +0000, Peter Kozlov said:
>>> On May 24, 2018, Your Name wrote
>>> (in article <pe79sf$1b9j$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
>>>> On 2018-05-24 17:40:07 +0000, Peter Kozlov said:
>>>>> On May 23, 2018, Lewis wrote
>>>>> (in article <slrnpgbs4o.2dfd.g.kreme@Snow.local>):
>>>>>> In message<GG8NC.1897$Kp4.1381@fx43.iad>  JF
>>>>>> Mezei<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>  wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-05-22 22:16, Peter Kozlov wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd like a screen based keyboard so it can change language easily and
>>>>>>>> office other kinds of controls for software. No more moving parts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ideally, mechannical keyboard as we know it, but keycaps are e-rader
>>>>>>> (e-ink) displays where the character can be changed by software. (so if
>>>>>>> you press shiuft, the keys change to upperchase, and you get to see the
>>>>>>> special characters etc).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems quite a waste when most people do not look at the keyboard when
>>>>>> they type.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, let's you are bilingual and would like to easily switch between two
>>>>> languages. This is effortless on the iPad and iPhone. On the Mac you have
>>>>> physical keys to deal with. How about from Apple's point of view on
>>>>> localization. They have to create a lot of various Macs for different
>>>>> counties. It would be easier to have just one Mac. The customer chooses
>>>>> their language and the characters and layout required by that appear on the
>>>>> screen. You could have profiles where one use gets one localization and 
>>>>> another user gets something else entirely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about a final cut pro user. The keyboard could be transformed into the
>>>>> controls for FCP. The same for music and other apps. I would to see this
>>>>> at least as an option. I'd go for it. You're millage may vary.
>>>> 
>>>> As I posted before, such keyboards do actually exist (although
>>>> expensive), but there are also keyboard overlays and key replacements
>>>> that achieve the same purpose for a limited specific usages.
>>> 
>>> Keyboard overlays aren't a great idea in my opinion. Some alphabets are
>>> larger than English and don't map well to the standard English keyboard.
>> 
>> Our old second-hand G4 iBook had an English keyboard, but the original
>> owner had put Asian stickers on all the keys which showed both the
>> English alphabet and whatever Asian language symbols were.
> 
> English Alphabet
> 
> A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
> 
> Russian Alphabet
> 
> А Б В Г Д Е Ё Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш
> Щ Ъ Ы Ь Э Ю Я
> 
> See what I mean? It doesn’t map well with overlays. It’s not really
> compatible with a western keyboard.

The Asian languages have far more characters. You can't even get 
Asian-specific keyboards that have them all.



>>>> But once you've gotten used to the keyboard shortcuts, etc., you rarely
>>>> actually look at the keyboard, so such options may be useful for the
>>>> initial learning period, but quickly become rather pointless.
>>> 
>>> That's a good point.

It's the same with the existing extra characters you can get from the 
normal keyboard. If you use the cents symbol a lot, for example, you 
would quickly learn that pressing Option 4 (depending on your keyboard 
country) gives you that symbol without needing to specifically look for 
it. Even if you don't use it a lot, it's a fairly obvious key since it 
also has the $ symbol on it. It's similar with many of the other extra 
characters being on obvious keys in the Mac's OS since the early days.



>>>> Then there's Apple's similar 'Touch Bar' gimmick that is barely used by
>>>> app developers, largely because it's only available on a few laptops
>>>> and will probably get dropped in a few years (if not sooner).
>>> 
>>> I like the touch bar. But I'd like it expanded to be the whole keyboard. :)
>> 
>> Well, that makes one person on the whole planet. ;-)
> 
> That’s what Blackberry fans said about the full screen keyboard and
> everyone got used to it pretty quickly. I have an iPad and use the screen
> based keyboard a lot. It’s not perfect but it isn’t horrible either.
> It’s pretty good I’d say.

Firing off a quick email is fine, but trying to do a lot ot typing work 
on a flat keyboard (on-screen or projected) is incredibly awful, even 
with supposed haptic feedback. That's why so many companies make 
external keyboards for tablets, although some of those are rubber-based 
which are almost as horrible as flat keyboards.

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