Re: alternative mail clients for Mac

From	billy@MIX.COM
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: alternative mail clients for Mac
Date	2013-09-02 04:39 +0000
Organization	PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
Message-ID	<l014p8$j1n$1@reader1.panix.com> (permalink)
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Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes, quoting
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>:

> >> apple mail ignores imap folders other than the inbox, regardless of the
> >> email never having been seen by apple mail or being unread. apparently
> >> nobody at apple ever heard of postfix, which is used by many isps and
> >> in particular, a little known service called gmail, which they must not
> >> use either.
> 
> That is untrue. I have HUNDREDS of folders on my IMAP stores.

I only have 137, but...

> >> what apple mail should do is apply filters to *all* new mail,
> 
> No, that would be a *terrible* idea. If the mail is sorted server-side
> there is no reason to sort it on the client.

...this is what I'm doing, too.  I can (and, do) have several user agents,
and everything goes where I want it to be on all of them.  I can fire up a
new one, and everything will go where it's supposed to be, too.

Junk filtering is also done in front of my server, as I've had the same email
address since before spam existed, and it makes no sense load it with 125,000+
useless letters a week.  I used Postini for a while, but it costs more than
an Iron Port box (US$300/month adds up quickly), and then Google bought it,
which knocks the level of trust down, for me, anyway.  Plus, as is all too
typical, Google is now shit canning it - as of last November they are not
renewing any contracts (and want users to move to Google Apps, har).  Apple
uses Proofpoint, at least on their mailing lists.  Both of these work well,
and far better than I think any user agent can on its own.  That is, they
get plenty of external input (from honeypots, rolling blacklists, etc), as
opposed to the end users having to 'train' a filter by slogging through all
the junk themselves.

Billy Y..
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alternative mail clients for Mac bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2013-08-23 16:42 -0700
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-08-23 16:51 -0700
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-08-24 15:13 +0000
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 16:53 -0700
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-08-24 15:25 +0000
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-08-25 02:32 +0000
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-01 01:12 +0000
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-07 23:15 +0000
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-08-24 23:12 -0700
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-08-23 18:32 -0700
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac howdy@doody.com - 2013-08-24 07:01 -0500
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 12:41 -0400
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac William Munny <will@bigwhisky.net> - 2013-08-24 17:24 -0400
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-09-01 14:28 +1200
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-31 23:03 -0400
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 20:29 -0700
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-09-01 15:33 +1200
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-01 00:23 -0400
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-01 00:38 -0400
            Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-01 00:54 -0400
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-08-31 21:55 -0700
            Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-02 01:15 +0000
              Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-01 22:46 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-01 22:22 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 08:22 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-02 08:56 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 10:02 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-02 14:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-02 17:02 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 17:45 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 10:41 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-03 10:46 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 12:37 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 09:49 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-03 10:04 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-03 13:47 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 15:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 12:33 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 17:48 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 14:52 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-03 15:25 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-03 20:49 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-03 17:59 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-03 19:17 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-04 02:50 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-09-04 03:20 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-03 20:57 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-04 15:38 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-04 00:02 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-04 17:00 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-04 21:48 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-04 09:39 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-04 22:00 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-05 07:08 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-05 07:08 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-04 21:42 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-04 16:14 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-03 13:18 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 15:31 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-05 01:42 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-05 07:08 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-06 21:10 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-02 22:45 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-02 09:18 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 17:33 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 18:39 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 20:12 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 20:24 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac mcarels@xs4all.nl (Maarten Carels) - 2013-09-03 10:12 +0200
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-03 16:40 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-03 15:21 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-03 20:42 -0400
              Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-02 04:39 +0000
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 12:45 -0400
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <r.Ryder@aol.com> - 2013-09-14 10:55 -0400
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-14 10:12 -0700
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-14 13:45 -0400
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-14 12:56 -0700
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-14 17:21 -0400
            Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <rRyder@brightnet.net> - 2013-09-14 19:08 -0400
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <rRyder@aol.com> - 2013-09-14 16:17 -0400
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-14 13:45 -0700
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <rRyder@brightnet.net> - 2013-09-14 19:07 -0400
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-15 02:26 +0000

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