Re: alternative mail clients for Mac

From	Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: alternative mail clients for Mac
Date	2013-09-03 12:33 -0700
Organization	Rare
Message-ID	<6y7gex4s5e.fsf@ethel.the.log> (permalink)
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Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> In article <4bioyhc0jz.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
>  Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
> > 
> > > In article <030920131046024178%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> > >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <barmar-CCFD09.10413003092013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > > I suspect it's a deliberate design choice by Apple not to do 
> > > > > > > filtering 
> > > > > > > of messages that aren't in the Inbox.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > that doesn't change anything. it still means a key feature of postfix
> > > > > > and other similar software are voided.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You keep saying that, as if Apple were somehow UNDOING what postfix 
> > > > > does. Postfix puts the mail in a folder, Apple doesn't void it.
> > > > 
> > > > it makes the feature useless. i call that voided.
> > > > 
> > > > > What I think you mean are that Mail rules are not as useful when 
> > > > > combined with Postfix filtering.
> > > > 
> > > > that's what i said.
> > > > 
> > > > > You could just do all your filtering in Mail.
> > > > 
> > > > i could, but that means throwing out what's already been done. it also
> > > > requires apple mail to always be running.
> > > 
> > > Why? As soon as you start it up, it will download the new mail and sort 
> > > them into their folders.
> > 
> > Consider the following situation:
> > 
> > I read email two places (my desktop with mail filters set up to do
> > what I want) and my iPhone.
> > 
> > If my computer is off, then I'm seeing new mail come in on my iPhone
> > which does not get filtered by the filtering rules on my desktop.
> > 
> > And in fact, I'm likely to read it on my iphone while reading other
> > mail, so it is no longer new mail when my computer comes back on, thus
> > the filtering doesn't even get applied then.
> > 
> > I actually (like many people) have a more complicated situation.  I
> > read email in four places:  my work computer, my home computer, my
> > iPhone and my iPad.    What I do is just leave my work computer on all
> > the time, because the filtering I do is important for me.
> 
> I thought you might be talking about this. But if you read mail on 
> multiple devices, client-side filtering in general is useless, because a 
> filter on client A won't help if you read the mail first on client
> B.

That's simply not true.

If client A is a Mac Desktop running Mail and client A is on, and Mail
is on, then mail gets filtered by client A.  I reap the benefits
reading it with client B.

> So since you're in such a tizzy about how Mail's filters don't work with 
> pre-sorted mail, I assumed that you didn't make much use of multiple 
> devices.

You have me mistaken for someone else.  I have said nothing about how
Mail's filters work or don't work with pre-sorted mail.

> But instead, you use the solution of leaving Mail running all the time 
> (as do I). And in that case, my above suggestion that you do all the 
> sorting and filtering in Mail should work fine.

It does work fine for me.  I have Mail always running on a desktop
that is always on.  I was simply answering _your_ question about why it
is required for me to always have it on.

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  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-08-23 16:51 -0700
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-08-24 15:13 +0000
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 16:53 -0700
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-08-24 15:25 +0000
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-08-25 02:32 +0000
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-01 01:12 +0000
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-07 23:15 +0000
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-08-24 23:12 -0700
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-08-23 18:32 -0700
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac howdy@doody.com - 2013-08-24 07:01 -0500
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 12:41 -0400
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac William Munny <will@bigwhisky.net> - 2013-08-24 17:24 -0400
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-09-01 14:28 +1200
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-31 23:03 -0400
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 20:29 -0700
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-09-01 15:33 +1200
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-01 00:23 -0400
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-01 00:38 -0400
            Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-01 00:54 -0400
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-08-31 21:55 -0700
            Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-02 01:15 +0000
              Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-01 22:46 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-01 22:22 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 08:22 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-02 08:56 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 10:02 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-02 14:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-02 17:02 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 17:45 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 10:41 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-03 10:46 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 12:37 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 09:49 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-03 10:04 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-03 13:47 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 15:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 12:33 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 17:48 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 14:52 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-03 15:25 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-03 20:49 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-03 17:59 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-03 19:17 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-04 02:50 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-09-04 03:20 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-03 20:57 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-04 15:38 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-04 00:02 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-04 17:00 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-04 21:48 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-04 09:39 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-04 22:00 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-05 07:08 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-05 07:08 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-04 21:42 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-09-04 16:14 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-03 13:18 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-03 15:31 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-04 04:28 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-05 01:42 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-05 07:08 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-06 21:10 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-02 22:45 +0000
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-09-02 09:18 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 17:33 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 18:39 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-02 20:12 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 20:24 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac mcarels@xs4all.nl (Maarten Carels) - 2013-09-03 10:12 +0200
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-03 16:40 -0400
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-03 15:21 -0700
                Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-03 20:42 -0400
              Re: alternative mail clients for Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-02 04:39 +0000
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-02 12:45 -0400
  Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <r.Ryder@aol.com> - 2013-09-14 10:55 -0400
    Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-14 10:12 -0700
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-14 13:45 -0400
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-14 12:56 -0700
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-14 17:21 -0400
            Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <rRyder@brightnet.net> - 2013-09-14 19:08 -0400
      Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <rRyder@aol.com> - 2013-09-14 16:17 -0400
        Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-14 13:45 -0700
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac "Red Ryder" <rRyder@brightnet.net> - 2013-09-14 19:07 -0400
          Re: alternative mail clients for Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-15 02:26 +0000

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