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Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out?

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Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote

>>> You say "mature market" as if there is
>>> only one market Apple is dealing with.

>> No, I was talking about all the markets that Apple is involved in and
>> others that are likely markets that Apple might be interested in.

> So every market, for every conceivable product,

No, just the ones Apple is currently involved
in, and those its likely to be interested in.

> is now mature. Well, that's good to know.

>>> Somewhere in Apple, a team is coming up
>>> with new products others haven't tried yet.

>> I don't believe that given that they never have done anything like that.

> Oh, I'm sure they've done it lots of times.

Your surety is completely irrelevant to the real world.

> They just never led to anything that could be released :)

Easy to claim...

>>> Somewhere else in Apple, they're looking at products that have flopped 
>>> in
>>> the past and seeing if they can finally get them good enough to be a 
>>> success.

>> Sure, but there isnt any real evidence that Apple
>> has ever come up with a viable product that way.

> The iPad is one.

No. There were tablets around before Apple produced one.

Same with media players, phones, computers, everything they have ever 
produced.

> Tablets were a failure, always had been.

Wrong. The Palm alone wasn't.

> Now suddenly they're selling. I'd argue the same thing about the original 
> iPod.

More fool you.

> MP3 players existed, but nobody cared.

Plenty did. And plenty loved the walkman too.

>>> To not, for example, release an unready Newton, but instead keep
>>> products in development until they actually are consumer ready.

>> They didn't even do that with the ipod or iphone or ipad or Mac.

> Sure they did.

No. What they actually did was look at what was available to the
consumers from others and do their own that was a lot better
than most of the rest of what was on offer to the consumers.

> The old Apple, in the 1990's, would have publicly announced they
> were working on an iPhone with a touch screen years before it was
> ready, probably rushing something out to prove they were serious.

That didn't happen with the ipod. It didn't take that long
to produce a viable product that left the rest for dead.

It wasn't what happened with the original Mac either.

> The modern Apple waited until the thing actually worked
> until even letting on they were even moving in that direction.

That only happened with the iphone.

> (actually, my theory is the iPad was the goal since Jobs returned to
> Apple, and as R&D finally solved a problem a secondary use for that
> tech was found. We got the iPod, iPhone, maybe even the flat screen
> iMac, because the tech was there but the iPad still wasn't ready)

Not with the ipod alone which had a very different start,
particularly with the very minimal UI ipods like the Shuffle. 

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Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 09:21 -0700
  Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 15:46 -0400
    Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 09:35 +1300
      Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-05 16:40 -0400
    Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 08:02 +1100
      Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-10-05 20:45 -0400
        Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 23:04 -0400
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  Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 08:04 +1100
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      Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 10:18 +1100
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            Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 17:09 +1100
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  Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Jon <jon@no-email.org> - 2013-10-06 17:34 +0100
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    Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-10-21 22:10 -0700
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