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Apple Watch

Started byAV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
First post2015-04-10 21:05 -0400
Last post2015-04-12 16:47 -0700
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  Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-10 21:05 -0400
    Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-10 19:04 -0700
    Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-10 22:35 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-11 10:45 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-11 15:58 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 16:28 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-11 16:53 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-11 22:22 +0000
              Re: Apple Watch Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-11 20:05 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 20:28 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-12 11:08 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:16 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-14 20:58 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-14 18:00 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:14 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-15 08:24 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 22:36 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:29 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 11:42 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:56 -0400
                            Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 12:02 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-15 09:44 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 17:14 -0400
                              Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-16 08:10 +1000
                    Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-14 21:13 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:20 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 12:52 +0000
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:42 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 11:49 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 15:56 +0000
                        Re: Apple Watch Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-15 22:45 +0000
      Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-11 21:36 -0700
    Re: Apple Watch Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:22 +0000
    Re: Apple Watch Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-04-11 14:16 +0000
    Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 19:23 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-12 00:22 +0000
        Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-12 11:24 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 20:28 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch Zar Zifodow <zarzifodow@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-11 19:25 -0700
        Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 07:38 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-12 09:48 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-12 23:13 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 19:30 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-12 16:48 -0700
                Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 08:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-13 05:35 -0700
              Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-13 09:55 +1000
                Re: Apple Watch Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-13 07:39 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-13 04:52 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-13 15:52 +1000
                  Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 08:36 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-13 18:10 +0100
                  Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-13 09:59 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 07:52 +1000
                      Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 18:49 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 10:25 +1000
                          Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-13 18:09 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 13:01 +1000
                              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-13 20:43 -0700
                                Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 18:34 +1000
                              Re: Apple Watch Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-14 09:52 -0400
                            Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 16:32 -0700
                              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-15 17:46 -0700
                                Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 20:10 -0700
                                  Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-15 20:28 -0700
                                    Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 20:49 -0700
                                      Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-15 21:09 -0700
                                        Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-16 07:08 -0700
                                          Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-16 08:26 -0700
                                            Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-16 09:16 -0700
                          Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 16:22 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-12 16:47 -0700

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#28859

FromAV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date2015-04-15 11:56 -0400
Message-ID<mgm1nj$ke9$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#28856
On 4/15/15, 11:42, nospam wrote:
> In article<mgm04p$hb7$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>>>> You're not consistent. You argued that airlines are performing a service
>>>> to customers by charging graduated fees for seat selection service that
>>>> was previously first come/first serve and without a fee. I favor first
>>>> come/first serve for both airline and Apple services. But I was prepared
>>>> to see the enormous price differential as an entitlement to early
>>>> service on a few dozen gold-encased watches.
>>>
>>> not a good comparison, and the price of the gold watch is in line with
>>> other gold watches.
>>>
>>> airline seat selection is first come/first serve. if you want 12a and
>>> someone else picks it before you do, you must choose another seat, no
>>> matter how much money you want to pay.
>>>
>>> some seats are blocked off for elite customers, such as ones towards
>>> the front or the exit row because those pax fly a lot and the airline
>>> caters to them, versus the kettles who fly once a year, if that much.
>>
>> In economy class many seats are now blocked off purely for pay, not
>> offered privately to elite customers. All those seats were formerly
>> offered first come/first serve. On long flights, extra leg room and
>> short rows are highly desirable.
>
> the seats are still first come/first serve but airlines reserve the
> better seats for customers who fly a lot, versus the kettles who don't.
>
> if you regularly buy large volumes of apple products per year, you'll
> get priority service too.


If so, this is an unannounced policy by both airlines and Apple.


>
>>> of course, you can always pay a premium for business or first class,
>>> but you get a better product. it's the equivalent of a gold watch.
>>
>> On airlines today, even many "economy" class seats are also in that
>> category.
>
> like hell they are.
>
> there's a *huge* difference between premium economy and first/biz.


That doesn't permit you to compare apples and oranges. No one suggested 
comparing economy prices with other classes. The point is that now 
economy is divided between first come/first serve without fee and first 
come/first serve with fee. The fee is the unwelcome new addition, 
analogous to an additional class, something Apple has happily not imitated.


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#28861

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-15 12:02 -0400
Message-ID<150420151202304841%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28859
In article <mgm1nj$ke9$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>>> You're not consistent. You argued that airlines are performing a service
> >>>> to customers by charging graduated fees for seat selection service that
> >>>> was previously first come/first serve and without a fee. I favor first
> >>>> come/first serve for both airline and Apple services. But I was prepared
> >>>> to see the enormous price differential as an entitlement to early
> >>>> service on a few dozen gold-encased watches.
> >>>
> >>> not a good comparison, and the price of the gold watch is in line with
> >>> other gold watches.
> >>>
> >>> airline seat selection is first come/first serve. if you want 12a and
> >>> someone else picks it before you do, you must choose another seat, no
> >>> matter how much money you want to pay.
> >>>
> >>> some seats are blocked off for elite customers, such as ones towards
> >>> the front or the exit row because those pax fly a lot and the airline
> >>> caters to them, versus the kettles who fly once a year, if that much.
> >>
> >> In economy class many seats are now blocked off purely for pay, not
> >> offered privately to elite customers. All those seats were formerly
> >> offered first come/first serve. On long flights, extra leg room and
> >> short rows are highly desirable.
> >
> > the seats are still first come/first serve but airlines reserve the
> > better seats for customers who fly a lot, versus the kettles who don't.
> >
> > if you regularly buy large volumes of apple products per year, you'll
> > get priority service too.
> 
> If so, this is an unannounced policy by both airlines and Apple.

it's not unannounced.

> >>> of course, you can always pay a premium for business or first class,
> >>> but you get a better product. it's the equivalent of a gold watch.
> >>
> >> On airlines today, even many "economy" class seats are also in that
> >> category.
> >
> > like hell they are.
> >
> > there's a *huge* difference between premium economy and first/biz.
> 
> That doesn't permit you to compare apples and oranges.

you're the one making the ridiculous comparison to airline seats.

> No one suggested 
> comparing economy prices with other classes. The point is that now 
> economy is divided between first come/first serve without fee and first 
> come/first serve with fee. The fee is the unwelcome new addition, 
> analogous to an additional class, something Apple has happily not imitated.

there is no additional fee if you travel a lot. elite flyers have
access to all seats. the fees are for the kettles.

the gold watch is the equivalent of first class. you get 24/7 tech
support and an extra year of warranty.

however, when they sell more than they can make, there's nothing anyone
can do.

even if you buy a f/c ticket, the flight might still be delayed or
canceled.

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#28862

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-04-15 09:44 -0700
Message-ID<150420150944397542%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#28856
In article <150420151142353145%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > In economy class many seats are now blocked off purely for pay, not 
> > offered privately to elite customers. All those seats were formerly 
> > offered first come/first serve. On long flights, extra leg room and 
> > short rows are highly desirable.
> 
> the seats are still first come/first serve but airlines reserve the
> better seats for customers who fly a lot, versus the kettles who don't.

In my experience, they reserve those seats for customers who pay the
extra fee for them, regardless of how often they fly.  And that is also
on a first-come, first-serve basis.

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#28866

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-15 17:14 -0400
Message-ID<150420151714207420%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28862
In article <150420150944397542%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > In economy class many seats are now blocked off purely for pay, not 
> > > offered privately to elite customers. All those seats were formerly 
> > > offered first come/first serve. On long flights, extra leg room and 
> > > short rows are highly desirable.
> > 
> > the seats are still first come/first serve but airlines reserve the
> > better seats for customers who fly a lot, versus the kettles who don't.
> 
> In my experience, they reserve those seats for customers who pay the
> extra fee for them, regardless of how often they fly.  And that is also
> on a first-come, first-serve basis.

completely wrong. 

elite customers do not need to pay for premium seats, checked bags and
sometimes even food. they also may get complimentary upgrades to first
or business class (depending on availability) as well as being eligible
to use priority lines for ticketing, security and boarding, skipping
the long waits. in the event of irrops, they're rebooked first.

the airlines reward their best customers, exactly how it should be.
that's the benefit of flying a lot. 

those who fly once a year do not get those perks and must pay extra to
obtain them, if they can at all.

same for hotel and rental car programs as well as many stores.

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#28870

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2015-04-16 08:10 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-153C9F.08101816042015@aioe.org>
In reply to#28866
In article <150420151714207420%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
... 
> elite customers do not need to pay for premium seats, checked bags and
> sometimes even food. they also may get complimentary upgrades to first
> or business class (depending on availability) as well as being eligible
> to use priority lines for ticketing, security and boarding, skipping
> the long waits. in the event of irrops, they're rebooked first.
> 
> the airlines reward their best customers, exactly how it should be.
> that's the benefit of flying a lot. 
> 
> those who fly once a year do not get those perks and must pay extra to
> obtain them, if they can at all.
> 
> same for hotel and rental car programs as well as many stores.

You know too much about the world, time for a big change for you, 
nospam. 

From now to next Sunday you will divest yourself of nearly all your 
worldly goods and on the holy day, you will go to a church and pray 
for your soul and that of others. 

When I come to America, if I see a poor man beside the road, I will 
stop the hire car and give you a real apple and you will know your 
life has a deeper meaning than it had before.

Wear a battered hat with strings and corks hanging off it to assist me.

-- 
dorayme

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#28848

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-04-14 21:13 -0700
Message-ID<mgkoet$soi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28844
On 4/14/15   PDT 5:58 PM, AV3 wrote:
>
> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. It probably takes
> goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I
> ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while
> she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later,
> but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that
> demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that
> ordering period.

It doesn't indicate much of anything. Could be their marketing plan for 
that segment.

Also, I just don't see a few old fashioned goldsmiths smiting out gold 
cases in traditional smithing operations.

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#28853

FromAV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date2015-04-15 11:20 -0400
Message-ID<mglvk4$gmj$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#28848
On 4/15/15, 0:13, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 4/14/15 PDT 5:58 PM, AV3 wrote:
>>
>> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. It probably takes
>> goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I
>> ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while
>> she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later,
>> but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that
>> demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that
>> ordering period.
>
> It doesn't indicate much of anything. Could be their marketing plan for
> that segment.
>
> Also, I just don't see a few old fashioned goldsmiths smiting out gold
> cases in traditional smithing operations.


I envision a process of making a piece of jewelry by manufacturing 
processes and ending with an individual goldsmith applying at least 
finishing touches. Gold is soft and not entirely manipulable by machine.


>


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#28850

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-15 12:52 +0000
Message-ID<cp758vF44d9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28844
On 2015-04-15, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/12/15, 11:16, nospam wrote:
>>
>> if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
>> 4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
>> slipped into may or later.
>
> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand.

No, it does not. It suggests demand is higher than supply, though. That
can be due to many reasons, one of which is because manufacturing takes
time.

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#28857

FromAV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date2015-04-15 11:42 -0400
Message-ID<mgm0tp$j3h$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#28850
On 4/15/15, 8:52, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-04-15, AV3<arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>> On 4/12/15, 11:16, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>> if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
>>> 4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
>>> slipped into may or later.
>>
>> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand.
>
> No, it does not. It suggests demand is higher than supply, though. That
> can be due to many reasons, one of which is because manufacturing takes
> time.
>


Apple knows how long manufacturing takes down to the second. Demand 
being higher than supply is a good definition of underestimation. My 
suggestion is that Apple didn't allot sufficient manufacturing time to 
the gold watch, because it underestimated demand. I suppose that 
fine-tooled gold watch cases require a lot more time to make than 
stamped-out cases. Apple was ready with a few, but not enough. I don't 
presume to know how many more they might have had on hand, had they 
anticipated greater demand.


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#28858

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-15 11:49 -0400
Message-ID<150420151149197387%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28857
In article <mgm0tp$j3h$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> Apple knows how long manufacturing takes down to the second. Demand 
> being higher than supply is a good definition of underestimation.

nope.

there's a limit to how many can be manufactured.

the estimates could be *exactly* correct, but if they're above that
number, there will be backlogs.

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#28860

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-15 15:56 +0000
Message-ID<cp7g1pF44d9U12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28857
On 2015-04-15, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/15/15, 8:52, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-04-15, AV3<arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>> On 4/12/15, 11:16, nospam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
>>>> 4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
>>>> slipped into may or later.
>>>
>>> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand.
>>
>> No, it does not. It suggests demand is higher than supply, though. That
>> can be due to many reasons, one of which is because manufacturing takes
>> time.
>
> Apple knows how long manufacturing takes down to the second. Demand 
> being higher than supply is a good definition of underestimation. 

Nope, demand can be higher than supply due to many factors that have
absolutely nothing to do with estimation.

> My suggestion is that Apple didn't allot sufficient manufacturing time
> to the gold watch, because it underestimated demand.

So far you haven't offered a shred of proof showing your assertion to be
true.

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#28871

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-04-15 22:45 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmitqhi.266.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#28857
In message <mgm0tp$j3h$1@news.albasani.net> 
  AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/15/15, 8:52, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-04-15, AV3<arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>> On 4/12/15, 11:16, nospam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
>>>> 4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
>>>> slipped into may or later.
>>>
>>> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand.
>>
>> No, it does not. It suggests demand is higher than supply, though. That
>> can be due to many reasons, one of which is because manufacturing takes
>> time.
>>


> Apple knows how long manufacturing takes down to the second. Demand 
> being higher than supply is a good definition of underestimation.

Nope. You can't just gear up all your manufacturing to have enough at
launch, because then you have idle factory manufacturing in Q2 of a
device cycle. You are constantly balancing between getting enough built
to try to meet demand with your future sales.

Apple sold 75 million iPhone 6/6+ in their first quarter and were still
constrained in their sales by their ability to fill the supply chain.
It's 100x more difficult with a new product.

> My suggestion is that Apple didn't allot sufficient manufacturing time
> to the gold watch, because it underestimated demand.

My suggestion is you have no idea what you are talking about.

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#28736

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
Message-ID<110420151418057277%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28716
In article <100420152235080311%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
> > was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check 
> > out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
> > 
> > Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today 
> > state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.
> 
> Delivery is partially based on the model of the watch and the band.  At
> midnight last night, the •Watch Sport was scheduled for delivery
> between April 24 and May 1.  The •Watch edition was scheduled for July
> or August, depending on the band and whether it is rose gold or yellow
> gold.

the $12k rose gold version with the white sport band is showing june
delivery right now.

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#28752

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-04-11 21:36 -0700
Message-ID<110420152136021742%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#28736
In article <110420151418057277%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the $12k rose gold version with the white sport band is showing june
> delivery right now.

Actually, all of the gold ones are showing June now.

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#28724

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-04-11 11:22 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmii11i.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#28709
In message <mg9s1j$75q$1@news.albasani.net> 
  AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check 
> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.

> Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today 
> state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.

A friend of mine has a Apr 24th delivery date.

> Has someone created an Apple Watch newsgroup? I checked out the words 
> "watch" and "applewatch" without finding them in the name of any Apple 
> newsgroup. If not, which newsgroup is the proper one in which to discuss it?

I'd say the iPhone one, since it is an iPhone accessory.


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#28730

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com>
Date2015-04-11 14:16 +0000
Message-ID<mgbabm$t7o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28709
For your reference, records indicate that 
AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Has someone created an Apple Watch newsgroup? I checked out the words 
> "watch" and "applewatch" without finding them in the name of any Apple 
> newsgroup. If not, which newsgroup is the proper one in which to discuss it?

The Usenet hierarchy is a bit of a mess when it comes to mobile devices.
Since the Apple Watch is currently tied to the iPhone, the most on-topic
group is probably going to be misc.phone.mobile.iphone.

-- 
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River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#28743

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-11 19:23 -0400
Message-ID<5529ad01$0$20174$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#28709
In article <mg9s1j$75q$1@news.albasani.net>,
 AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check 
> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.

You know, if you'd bought a Rolex Red Submariner in 1968 (say) it would 
be worth about $20000 today. And Rolex "support" it (meaning you can get 
it serviced at a Rolex Genius Bar) and it's almost 50 years old. Apple 
don't have a reputation for maintaining their hardware beyond about 6 or 
7 years (look at the very expensive Mac Pro 1,1). 

So, douchebag buys the $12000 iSwatch, and 5 years from now Apple say, 
"ah, too bad, so sad, we gonna upgrade the system software so you're 
just screwed," and douchebag says "thank you Steve, for your infinite 
mercy" and throws it into the drawer with his daughter's Beanie Babies 
and his Polaroid instant camera and the Rubik's cube he never solved and 
gives Apple some more money for another one. 

Here they come. But the iSwatch monitors your heart rate and you can 
book an Uber car with it and it even runs Yo (maybe). That's nice. I'll 
go with Rolex.
-- 
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Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
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#28746

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-12 00:22 +0000
Message-ID<cots6iFmfqsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28743
On 2015-04-11, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <mg9s1j$75q$1@news.albasani.net>,
>  AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
>> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check 
>> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
>
> You know, if you'd bought a Rolex Red Submariner in 1968 (say) it would 
> be worth about $20000 today. And Rolex "support" it (meaning you can get 
> it serviced at a Rolex Genius Bar) and it's almost 50 years old. Apple 
> don't have a reputation for maintaining their hardware beyond about 6 or 
> 7 years (look at the very expensive Mac Pro 1,1). 

Technology stands still for no-one. Nature of the beast. Without
innovation and progress, there would be no technology. Some find it hard
to understand that to fight it is to kill it. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28771

FromAV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date2015-04-12 11:24 -0400
Message-ID<mge2mp$h18$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#28746
On 4/11/15, 20:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-04-11, Warren Oates<warren.oates@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> In article<mg9s1j$75q$1@news.albasani.net>,
>>   AV3<arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and
>>> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check
>>> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
>>
>> You know, if you'd bought a Rolex Red Submariner in 1968 (say) it would
>> be worth about $20000 today. And Rolex "support" it (meaning you can get
>> it serviced at a Rolex Genius Bar) and it's almost 50 years old. Apple
>> don't have a reputation for maintaining their hardware beyond about 6 or
>> 7 years (look at the very expensive Mac Pro 1,1).
>
> Technology stands still for no-one. Nature of the beast. Without
> innovation and progress, there would be no technology. Some find it hard
> to understand that to fight it is to kill it.
>


Rolex sold a technology and level of quality and service aimed at 
long-term support. I was the internal working as well as the exterior 
appearance that brought the high price. The gold Apple Watch's extra 
value is entirely in its case. The interior is not substantially 
advanced over watches costing less than $1000. Apparently people 
nowadays are willing to pay Rolex prices for the exterior. It suggests 
to me that inflation has struck the jewelry market.



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#28747

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-11 20:28 -0400
Message-ID<110420152028059261%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28743
In article <5529ad01$0$20174$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, douchebag buys the $12000 iSwatch, and 5 years from now Apple say, 
> "ah, too bad, so sad, we gonna upgrade the system software so you're 
> just screwed," and douchebag says "thank you Steve, for your infinite 
> mercy" and throws it into the drawer with his daughter's Beanie Babies 
> and his Polaroid instant camera and the Rubik's cube he never solved and 
> gives Apple some more money for another one. 

someone who drops $12k on a watch doesn't really care about that. they
already have more money than they know what to do with.

they can always sell it, just like the rest of the mortals with the
sport version who are going to upgrade.

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