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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700 |
| Last post | 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100 |
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Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:03 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-10-27 23:31 +0000
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2013-10-27 19:46 -0500
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:55 +0100
Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> - 2013-10-28 03:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 05:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:32 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 12:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:45 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 16:17 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 22:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:47 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:03 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:47 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 04:56 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-02 11:14 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:11 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:45 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:51 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:04 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:02 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:44 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:56 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-30 20:18 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:24 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 05:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-31 17:18 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 17:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 18:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2013-10-31 14:48 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:39 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:33 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:32 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:00 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 19:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:53 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 23:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl73593.1oju.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #19070 |
In message <slrnl72qd8.4nf.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote: > The intelligent option is to delete stuff that you don't need. > The usual way to review something is to read from top to bottom. > Thus I'm glad that my editor always starts at top. A: You're wrong Q: I've never found that to be true A: Because it make following messages more difficult Q: Why is top-posting evil? -- "I'm just like every modern woman trying to have it all. A loving husband, a family. I only wish I had more time to seek out the dark forces and join their hellish crusade."
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| From | Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 05:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl73qet.4nf.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> |
| In reply to | #19085 |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:24:20 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote: > In message <slrnl72qd8.4nf.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> > Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote: > > The intelligent option is to delete stuff that you don't need. > > The usual way to review something is to read from top to bottom. > > > Thus I'm glad that my editor always starts at top. > > A: You're wrong > Q: I've never found that to be true > A: Because it make following messages more difficult > Q: Why is top-posting evil? Hey, I never told anyone to use TOFU! (that's its nickname in Germany: Text oben (above), Fullquote unten (below) ... and tofu is Tofu, too) The local practise is to delete the fullquote if you do not quote anything of it, but just write your text above. But for inline quoting it's best to start reading at the top, isn't it? BTW: you might consider to remove the message id from the quote line. First of all, it's already within the references, second it does not help people to read an ID, generated by a machine, and last not least it's called a quote *line*. - Martin
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 17:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3fcaka-oj51.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #19111 |
Martin Τrautmann wrote: > BTW: you might consider to remove the message id from the quote line. > First of all, it's already within the references, second it does not > help people to read an ID, generated by a machine, and last not least > it's called a quote *line*. Actually the message id is very useful if you use a newsreader which goes to that message when you click on it. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 17:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <311020131757350727%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #19130 |
In article <3fcaka-oj51.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Martin ?rautmann wrote: > > > BTW: you might consider to remove the message id from the quote line. > > First of all, it's already within the references, second it does not > > help people to read an ID, generated by a machine, and last not least > > it's called a quote *line*. > > Actually the message id is very useful if you use a newsreader which > goes to that message when you click on it. I agree. Dear oh dear, was that another person seeking to tell us how to format our replies - following the lead of PointyHead. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl757v1.4nf.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> |
| In reply to | #19130 |
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:18:11 +0100, Paul Sture wrote: > Martin Τrautmann wrote: > > > BTW: you might consider to remove the message id from the quote line. > > First of all, it's already within the references, second it does not > > help people to read an ID, generated by a machine, and last not least > > it's called a quote *line*. > > Actually the message id is very useful if you use a newsreader which > goes to that message when you click on it. No need to click, just "go to previous message". But maybe that's a matter of taste... Martin
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| From | Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 14:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <f14b9$5272b412$c777789e$24212@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #19130 |
Paul Sture wrote: > Martin Τrautmann wrote: > >> BTW: you might consider to remove the message id from the quote line. >> First of all, it's already within the references, second it does not >> help people to read an ID, generated by a machine, and last not least >> it's called a quote *line*. > > Actually the message id is very useful if you use a newsreader which > goes to that message when you click on it. > Except when you use Thunderbird which thinks all Message-IDs are e-mail addresses. Heh.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 21:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl75ioe.c1.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #19130 |
In message <3fcaka-oj51.ln1@news.chingola.ch> Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Martin Τrautmann wrote: >> BTW: you might consider to remove the message id from the quote line. >> First of all, it's already within the references, second it does not >> help people to read an ID, generated by a machine, and last not least >> it's called a quote *line*. > Actually the message id is very useful if you use a newsreader which > goes to that message when you click on it. +1 -- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Dang, that was fun."
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| From | Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l4m0pc$umf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18895 |
On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think > stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more > irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. How about a long post with a single-one-liner in the middle? Or at the beginning? -- Michelle -- I'm a year older than I was exactly one year ago.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6rf9a.p2q.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #18862 |
In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, > say, Pages) and issue a PDF? Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that he could steal from. -- According to the philosopher Ly Tin Weedle, chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized.
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18874 |
On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: > In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, >> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? > > Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that > he could steal from. Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. -- Lloyd
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6rhud.rkg.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #18876 |
In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: >> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> >> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, >>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? >> >> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that >> he could steal from. > Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different issue. -- "Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." - Isaac Asimov
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18877 |
On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: > In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> > Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: > >>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> >>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, >>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? >>> >>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that >>> he could steal from. > >> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. > > I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he > stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to take all the shots again? I don't think so. > > He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different > issue. True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn about the personality or lack of, of the developer? -- Lloyd
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #18880 |
In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: >> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? >>>> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that >>>> he could steal from. >> >>> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. >> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to > take all the shots again? > I don't think so. >> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different >> issue. > True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn > about the personality or lack of, of the developer? When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the support one might get, it matters quite a lot. When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot. The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse, pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can. -- a vital ingredient of success is not knowing that what you're attempting can't be done. A person ignorant of the possibility of failure can be a half-brick in the path of the bicycle of history.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lbgo7j.5ek8cfhnma19N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #18882 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> > Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: > > >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> > >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: > >> > >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> > >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, > >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? > >>>> > >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that > >>>> he could steal from. > >> > >>> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. > >> > >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he > >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? > > > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do > > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to > > take all the shots again? > > > I don't think so. > > >> > >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different > >> issue. > > > True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn > > about the personality or lack of, of the developer? > > When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the > support one might get, it matters quite a lot. > > When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to > deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot. > > The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well > aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has > issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when > uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse, > pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can. Brian is a flake, that much is for sure. I don't like paying for shareware that might suddenly end up unsupported because the dev has a tantrum. Regardless Thoth isn't a bad client - in fact it's quite a good one, and in the final analysis has easily been worth the price for anyone who paid. It just comes from a bad developer who does himself no favours. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281020130817584031%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #18883 |
In article <1lbgo7j.5ek8cfhnma19N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> > > Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: > > > > >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> > > >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: > > >> > > >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> > > >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly > > >>>>> (in, > > >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? > > >>>> > > >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that > > >>>> he could steal from. > > >> > > >>> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. > > >> > > >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he > > >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? > > > > > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do > > > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to > > > take all the shots again? > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > >> > > >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different > > >> issue. > > > > > True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn > > > about the personality or lack of, of the developer? > > > > When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the > > support one might get, it matters quite a lot. > > > > When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to > > deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot. > > > > The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well > > aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has > > issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when > > uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse, > > pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can. > > Brian is a flake, that much is for sure. I don't like paying for > shareware that might suddenly end up unsupported because the dev has a > tantrum. Regardless Thoth isn't a bad client - in fact it's quite a good > one, and in the final analysis has easily been worth the price for > anyone who paid. It just comes from a bad developer who does himself no > favours. And I would fully agree with that assessment! It is a great usenet client produced by a guy that has managed to piss off a lot of people along the way! -- Lloyd
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #18882 |
In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> > Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: > > >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> > >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: > >> > >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> > >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, > >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? > >>>> > >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that > >>>> he could steal from. > >> > >>> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. > >> > >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he > >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? > > > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do > > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to > > take all the shots again? > > > I don't think so. > > >> > >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different > >> issue. > > > True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn > > about the personality or lack of, of the developer? > > When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the > support one might get, it matters quite a lot. > But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of support. I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or thereabouts anyway. When I asked questions about it, I always got quick responses. And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response within minutes. I'd say his support is fine. > When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to > deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot. > Yeah, I remember that. Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he finally did redo it. > The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well > aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has > issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when > uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse, > pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can. Since you've never used it, nor asked him for support, you are basing your opinion on things read on the internet concerning it. And of course we all know 'if you read it on the internet, it is true'. :) The relevant fact is that Brian for all his faults and foibles, has produced a superb usenet client for OSX. -- Lloyd
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6sq7k.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #18889 |
In message <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com> Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: >> >> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> >> >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: >> >> >> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> >> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, >> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? >> >>>> >> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that >> >>>> he could steal from. >> >> >> >>> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. >> >> >> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he >> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? >> >> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do >> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to >> > take all the shots again? >> >> > I don't think so. >> >> >> >> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different >> >> issue. >> >> > True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn >> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer? >> >> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the >> support one might get, it matters quite a lot. >> > But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of > support. I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or > thereabouts anyway. When I asked questions about it, I always got > quick responses. > And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response > within minutes. > I'd say his support is fine. >> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to >> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot. >> > Yeah, I remember that. Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he > finally did redo it. The 2.0 version that's been on the mythical "coming soon" drawing table has been there for close to a decade (2005, IIRC). >> The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well >> aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has >> issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when >> uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse, >> pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can. > Since you've never used it, nor asked him for support, you are basing > your opinion on things read on the internet concerning it. Yes, but they were things said *by* the developer. > The relevant fact is that Brian for all his faults and foibles, has > produced a superb usenet client for OSX. Well, someone did, and he built on their code. -- Clarke's Law: Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281020130843054408%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #18892 |
In article <slrnl6sq7k.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com> > Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > >> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> > >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said: > >> > >> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> > >> >> Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said: > >> >> > >> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> > >> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly > >> >>>>> (in, > >> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that > >> >>>> he could steal from. > >> >> > >> >>> Enough of that crap! We went through this whole thing years ago. > >> >> > >> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he > >> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it? > >> > >> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here. Do > >> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to > >> > take all the shots again? > >> > >> > I don't think so. > >> > >> >> > >> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different > >> >> issue. > >> > >> > True, it is a different issue. But then who actually gives a damn > >> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer? > >> > >> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the > >> support one might get, it matters quite a lot. > >> > > But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of > > support. I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or > > thereabouts anyway. When I asked questions about it, I always got > > quick responses. > > > And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response > > within minutes. > > > I'd say his support is fine. > > >> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to > >> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot. > >> > > Yeah, I remember that. Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he > > finally did redo it. > > The 2.0 version that's been on the mythical "coming soon" drawing table > has been there for close to a decade (2005, IIRC). > So what? At this point in time, Thoth is one of the very best usenet clients out there. Would I like to see a V2.0? Sure, but as long as this version works extremely well and is very powerful, I'll manage. -- Lloyd
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| From | Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4ken1$503$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18823 |
On 10/27/13, 11:41 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks? > Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else? I use Thunderbird's newsreading capabilities. I used to use MTNW on my PowerBook and don't remember now why I couldn't continue to use it when got the MacBook Pro -- oh, I know. I couldn't keep using Eudora for mail so just went with what came with Thunderbird. And I'm using Thunderbird because I had a whole bunch of Windows mail from a variety of mail systems that I wanted to keep. I could convert all of them to Thunderbird on the PC, as well as the Eudora mail. I'm not sure there was any easy way (when I needed to do it) to convert the various Windows mail formats to Eudora. Anyway, I'm OK with Thunderbird for newsgroups although I haven't found any way to keep track of a message now and then that I wanted to go back to, although I haven't played with *all* the ways of marking or tagging messages. Ted
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| From | AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4luat$gt8$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #18875 |
On Oct/27/2013 9:3009 PM, Ted Lee wrote: > On 10/27/13, 11:41 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote: >> So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks? >> Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else? > > ... > > Anyway, I'm OK with Thunderbird for newsgroups although I haven't found > any way to keep track of a message now and then that I wanted to go back > to, although I haven't played with *all* the ways of marking or tagging > messages. > I mark messages I want to go back to with a star. When I want to go back to a starred message, I choose classification by the star column and find the desired message among the relatively few in that column. Then I restore classification by my default date column. -- ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++
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