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Re: Newsreaders

From Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject Re: Newsreaders
Date 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com> (permalink)
References (3 earlier) <slrnl6rf9a.p2q.g.kreme@mbp55.local> <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> <slrnl6rhud.rkg.g.kreme@mbp55.local> <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>

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In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> >> 
> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> >>>> he could steal from.
> >> 
> >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> >> 
> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> 
> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
> > take all the shots again?
> 
> > I don't think so.
> 
> >> 
> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> >> issue.
> 
> > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> 
> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> 
But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of
support.  I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or
thereabouts anyway.  When I asked questions about it, I always got
quick responses.

And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response
within minutes.

I'd say his support is fine.

> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
>
Yeah, I remember that.  Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he
finally did redo it.

> The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
> aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
> issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
> uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
> pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

Since you've never used it, nor asked him for support, you are basing
your opinion on things read on the internet concerning it.  And of
course we all know 'if you read it on the internet, it is true'.   :)

The relevant fact is that Brian for all his faults and foibles, has
produced a superb usenet client for OSX.

-- 
Lloyd

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Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
  Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:03 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
        Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 22:11 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-10-27 23:31 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2013-10-27 19:46 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:55 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> - 2013-10-28 03:05 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 05:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:32 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 12:48 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:45 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 15:19 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:26 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 16:17 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:19 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 22:48 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:44 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:19 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:00 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:47 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:03 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 09:42 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:47 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 04:56 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:48 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-02 11:14 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:11 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:45 -0500
  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
  Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:51 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:04 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:02 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:44 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:56 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-30 20:18 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:24 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 05:25 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-31 17:18 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 17:57 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 18:22 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2013-10-31 14:48 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:26 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:44 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
  Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
  Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:39 +0100
  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
        Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:33 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:32 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:00 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 19:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:53 -0400
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:23 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
        Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
  Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100

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