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back from the brink

Started byErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
First post2015-04-09 14:00 +0000
Last post2015-04-13 21:51 +0000
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  back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 14:00 +0000
    Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 10:06 -0400
      Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 02:47 +1300
      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 15:56 +0000
        Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-09 16:13 +0000
          Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:14 +0000
            Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-09 17:34 +0000
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
              Re: back from the brink Paul F Austin <pfaustin@bellsouth.net> - 2015-04-09 16:15 -0400
                Re: back from the brink Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-10 08:56 +1200
                  Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 21:20 +0000
                Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:39 +0000
                  Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
                    Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 11:50 +0000
                  Re: back from the brink "D. Spencer Hines" <d_spencerhines@america.com> - 2015-05-09 13:12 -1000
                Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 13:06 +1300
                  Re: back from the brink Paul F Austin <pfaustin@bellsouth.net> - 2015-04-11 17:19 -0400
                    Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-12 14:09 +1300
                      Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 22:23 -0400
                        Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 07:56 -0700
                          Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:16 -0400
                            Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 08:24 -0700
                              Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:33 -0400
                                Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-12 15:52 +0000
                                Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 16:57 +0100
                                Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 10:28 -0700
                                  Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 19:14 +0100
                                    Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:47 -0700
                                  Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-12 23:37 +0000
                                    Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-13 15:01 +1200
                                      Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-13 05:32 +0000
                                      Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-13 10:15 +0100
                                        Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-14 10:39 +1200
                                      Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-13 13:48 +0000
                                        Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-14 10:40 +1200
                                          Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-14 09:30 +0100
                                            Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-14 21:16 +1200
                                              Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-14 22:15 +1300
                                                Re: back from the brink dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 21:57 +1000
                                                  Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-15 13:12 +1300
                                          Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-14 12:51 +0000
                                            Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-15 11:04 +1200
                                              Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-14 23:10 +0000
                                                Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-15 21:56 +1200
                                                  Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 12:53 +0000
                                                    Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 09:15 +1200
                                                      Re: back from the brink dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-16 08:02 +1000
                                                      Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 22:49 +0000
                                                        Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 12:38 +1200
                                                          Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-16 13:29 +0000
                                                            Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-17 10:34 +1200
                                                  Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-15 18:02 +0100
                                                  Re: back from the brink "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2015-04-15 21:31 +0100
                                                    Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 09:16 +1200
                                                      Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-16 17:28 +1300
                                                        Re: back from the brink Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-15 23:30 -0700
                                                        Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 21:30 +1200
                              Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-13 08:49 +1300
                      Re: back from the brink Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-12 09:58 +0000
                        Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-13 00:06 +1300
                          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:41 +0000
                Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-05-10 02:45 +0000
            Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
            Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-09 21:39 +0000
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
                Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
                Re: back from the brink Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2015-04-10 13:45 +0100
        Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 12:46 -0400
        Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-09 12:44 -0500
          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
            Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:08 -0400
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 21:20 +0000
                Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:23 -0400
                  Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
                    Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
                      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                        Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-10 17:30 -0500
                          Re: back from the brink Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 18:55 -0400
                            Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-10 19:55 -0500
                    Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 18:28 +1300
                      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                        Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-11 18:13 +1300
                        Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:18 +0000
                          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
            Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-09 16:08 -0500
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 21:20 +0000
                Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:34 +0000
                  Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
                Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 13:06 +1300
                  Re: back from the brink dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-10 15:21 +1200
                    Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 18:32 +1300
                      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                        Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-11 18:13 +1300
                          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
                            Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 15:35 +0000
                              Re: back from the brink Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2015-04-11 16:06 +0000
                Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-11 16:28 -0500
            Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 13:06 +1300
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
                Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
                Re: back from the brink dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-10 15:21 +1200
                  Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
        Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 12:52 +1300
          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
            Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
              Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-10 19:58 +1200
                Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-10 22:44 +0100
                  Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 02:47 +0000
                    Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-11 09:40 +0100
                      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
                        Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-11 17:31 +0100
                          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
                            Re: Back From The Brink "D. Spencer Hines" <d_spencerhines@america.com> - 2015-04-12 04:44 -1000
                              Re: Back From The Brink Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-12 14:53 +0000
                            Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 16:53 +0100
                              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 21:56 +0000
                            Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-12 17:05 +0000
                              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 21:56 +0000
                                Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-12 22:15 +0000
                                  Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 18:42 -0400
                                    Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-13 05:30 +0000
                                      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000
                                        Re: back from the brink JoeyDee <email@nothanks.com> - 2015-04-13 18:31 -0400
    Re: back from the brink "JohnT" <johnT@spamnot.com> - 2015-04-09 18:22 +0100
      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
        Re: back from the brink "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-10 13:03 +0100
          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
            Re: back from the brink "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-11 11:01 +0100
              Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
                Re: back from the brink "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-11 15:38 +0100
    Re: back from the brink Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-04-10 08:25 -0400
      Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
        Re: back from the brink John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-10 20:32 -0700
          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
        Re: back from the brink poldy <poldy@kfu.com> - 2015-04-13 11:09 -0700
          Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000

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#28677

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
Message-ID<090420152253103677%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28675
In article
<1562197710450321820.421739drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> >> The iPad WAS backed up to the old laptop running SnowLeopard.
> > 
> > So where are your iPad backups and your backups of the iTunes data
> > containing the iPad backup, now?
> 
> OLD laptop!

restore the ipad with that then. problem solved.

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#28681

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-04-10 15:21 +1200
Message-ID<1m2o4sy.d79zcp1j8qtmrN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#28675
Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> >> Backups were to computer, not iCloud.  And the iPad problems occurred AFTER
> >> spending the morning before on the phone with Apple dealing with Yosemite
> >> problems.
> >> The iPad WAS backed up to the old laptop running SnowLeopard.
> > 
> > So where are your iPad backups and your backups of the iTunes data
> > containing the iPad backup, now?
> 
> OLD laptop!

If that backup hasn't been replaced, you can copy it to the new laptop
and then use it to restore the iPad from backup.

The easiest way to locate the backup on the old computer is:

1. Run iTunes.
2. Go into Preferences (in the bold iTunes menu).
3. Click on the Devices category.
4. Locate the backup you want. Make a note of its date/time.
5. Control-click or right click on it and choose Show in Finder.

This will reveal a folder called Backups, with one or more subfolders
with non-obvious names containing lots of alphanumeric characters. The
one which is highlighted is the backup you want. That highlighted folder
(with its complex name) needs to be copied to the new computer.

I suggest copying that folder to the desktop on the new computer, then
moving it to the right place.

Before moving the folder, if iTunes is running on the new computer, quit
it.

The location to which the folder needs to be copied for recent iTunes
and OS X versions is:

~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup

That's the Library folder inside your home folder: in recent OS X
versions you can get to it in Finder by holding down the Option key,
clicking on the Go menu and choosing Library. Then go into the
Application Support subfolder, then into MobileSync, then into Backup.

Once you are in the Backup folder, you can drag the copy of the backup
from the desktop.

After the backup is in the right place, run iTunes again, connect the
iPad and tell iTunes to do a restore, this time picking the copied
backup from the list (identified by its date/time).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#28693

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<596097948450390842.462804drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28681
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
>>> Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [snip]
>>>> Backups were to computer, not iCloud.  And the iPad problems occurred AFTER
>>>> spending the morning before on the phone with Apple dealing with Yosemite
>>>> problems.
>>>> The iPad WAS backed up to the old laptop running SnowLeopard.
>>> 
>>> So where are your iPad backups and your backups of the iTunes data
>>> containing the iPad backup, now?
>> 
>> OLD laptop!
> 
> If that backup hasn't been replaced, you can copy it to the new laptop
> and then use it to restore the iPad from backup.
> 
> The easiest way to locate the backup on the old computer is:
> 
> 1. Run iTunes.
> 2. Go into Preferences (in the bold iTunes menu).
> 3. Click on the Devices category.
> 4. Locate the backup you want. Make a note of its date/time.
> 5. Control-click or right click on it and choose Show in Finder.
> 
> This will reveal a folder called Backups, with one or more subfolders
> with non-obvious names containing lots of alphanumeric characters. The
> one which is highlighted is the backup you want. That highlighted folder
> (with its complex name) needs to be copied to the new computer.
> 
> I suggest copying that folder to the desktop on the new computer, then
> moving it to the right place.
> 
> Before moving the folder, if iTunes is running on the new computer, quit
> it.
> 
> The location to which the folder needs to be copied for recent iTunes
> and OS X versions is:
> 
> ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup
> 
> That's the Library folder inside your home folder: in recent OS X
> versions you can get to it in Finder by holding down the Option key,
> clicking on the Go menu and choosing Library. Then go into the
> Application Support subfolder, then into MobileSync, then into Backup.
> 
> Once you are in the Backup folder, you can drag the copy of the backup
> from the desktop.
> 
> After the backup is in the right place, run iTunes again, connect the
> iPad and tell iTunes to do a restore, this time picking the copied
> backup from the list (identified by its date/time).

Saved this to my mail for when I get my nerve back 8-)

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28666

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2015-04-10 12:52 +1300
Message-ID<1m2nyd6.hm8pk5dqzh23N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#28636
Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <553643483450280509.999995drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
> >> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> I'm battling back from disaster-- almost all my apps on the iPad were wiped
> >> clean of all data somewhere in the middle of the nasty battle with a new
> >> computer with the worst OS I've ever had to deal with: Yosemite. I now have
> >> to clear away the old posts here to get up to date before I leave home on
> >> my yearly trip combo and have only Newstap on the iPad with me.
> > 
> > only because itunes asked if you wanted to delete them and you said
> > yes. you apparently did not migrate the old system to the new computer,
> > so itunes saw it as a different computer.
> 
> It WAS migrated by someone much more capable than I, but I did something
> wrong on the backup attempt.

And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#28674

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Message-ID<633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28666
Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <553643483450280509.999995drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm battling back from disaster-- almost all my apps on the iPad were wiped
>>>> clean of all data somewhere in the middle of the nasty battle with a new
>>>> computer with the worst OS I've ever had to deal with: Yosemite. I now have
>>>> to clear away the old posts here to get up to date before I leave home on
>>>> my yearly trip combo and have only Newstap on the iPad with me.
>>> 
>>> only because itunes asked if you wanted to delete them and you said
>>> yes. you apparently did not migrate the old system to the new computer,
>>> so itunes saw it as a different computer.
>> 
>> It WAS migrated by someone much more capable than I, but I did something
>> wrong on the backup attempt.
> 
> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?

I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
it restored them empty.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28676

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
Message-ID<090420152253093631%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#28674
In article
<633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> > And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
> > machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
> 
> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
> it restored them empty.

so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.

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#28684

FromEric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>
Date2015-04-10 19:58 +1200
Message-ID<6i0fia1tf7abbte8l2a2ad1sngfd4hs9nh@4ax.com>
In reply to#28676
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 22:53:09 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article
><633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>
>> > And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>> > machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>> 
>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>> it restored them empty.
>
>so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.

Enilar, I've known nospam for may years and have had many happy
battles with him.  There is one thing I can say: he knows what he is
talking about.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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#28701

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<1867444068450389898.495159drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28684
Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 22:53:09 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> In article
>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>> 
>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>>> it restored them empty.
>> 
>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
> 
> Enilar, I've known nospam for may years and have had many happy
> battles with him.  There is one thing I can say: he knows what he is
> talking about.

Yes, when he understands the problem, but the disaster was too great this
time 8-(

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28700

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28676
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>> 
>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>> it restored them empty.
> 
> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.

That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28702

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-10 22:44 +0100
Message-ID<100420152244182465%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28700
In article
<1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article
>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>> 
>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>>> it restored them empty.
>> 
>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>
>That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.

What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??

-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#28712

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-11 02:47 +0000
Message-ID<1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28702
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article
> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the iPad. It
>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>> 
>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
> 
> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??

Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28720

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-11 09:40 +0100
Message-ID<110420150940018786%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28712
In article
<1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the
>>>>>>>> iPad. It
>>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>>> 
>>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
>> 
>> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??
>
>Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.

Fine, so you've now got the old Pages on your new machine. So use it.

-- 
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without 
evidence."
-- Christopher Hitchens

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#28727

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
Message-ID<699792806450454167.448466drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28720
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article
> <1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the
>>>>>>>>> iPad. It
>>>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them and
>>>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>>>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>>>>>>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
>>>>> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??
>> 
>> Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.
> 
> Fine, so you've now got the old Pages on your new machine. So use it.

It's, as usual with "up"grades, missing functions I used regularly. I
presume there are the additional useless bells and whistles I have no use
for.


-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28735

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-11 17:31 +0100
Message-ID<110420151731510011%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28727
In article
<699792806450454167.448466drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the
>>>>>>>>>> iPad. It
>>>>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>>>>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>>>>>>>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
>>>>>> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??
>>> 
>>> Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.
>> 
>> Fine, so you've now got the old Pages on your new machine. So use it.
>
>It's, as usual with "up"grades, missing functions I used regularly. I
>presume there are the additional useless bells and whistles I have no use
>for.

Then it's not the old Pages, is it?

-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#28760

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
Message-ID<526570431450542003.527832drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28735
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article
> <699792806450454167.448466drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>>>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your older
>>>>>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the
>>>>>>>>>>> iPad. It
>>>>>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>>>>>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>>>>>>>>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
>>>>>>> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??
>>>>>>> Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.
>>>>> Fine, so you've now got the old Pages on your new machine. So use it.
>> 
>> It's, as usual with "up"grades, missing functions I used regularly. I
>> presume there are the additional useless bells and whistles I have no use
>> for.
> 
> Then it's not the old Pages, is it?

Exactly. It's a downgrade yet again.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28762

From"D. Spencer Hines" <d_spencerhines@america.com>
Date2015-04-12 04:44 -1000
Message-ID<mge0eb$uqd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28760
It's just part and parcel of the General Dumbing-Down Of The Culture.

DSH

"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]

"Erilar"  wrote in message 
news:526570431450542003.527832drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org...

Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article
> <699792806450454167.448466drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>>>>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your 
>>>>>>>>>>> older
>>>>>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's 
>>>>>>>>> data?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> iPad. It
>>>>>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped 
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual 
>>>>>>>>> backup,
>>>>>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>>>>>>>>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
>>>>>>> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??
>>>>>>> Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.
>>>>> Fine, so you've now got the old Pages on your new machine. So use it.
>>
>> It's, as usual with "up"grades, missing functions I used regularly. I
>> presume there are the additional useless bells and whistles I have no use
>> for.
>
> Then it's not the old Pages, is it?

Exactly. It's a downgrade yet again.
-- 
biblioholic medievalist 

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#28764

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2015-04-12 14:53 +0000
Message-ID<covf7mF43d7U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28762
On 2015-04-12, D. Spencer Hines <d_spencerhines@america.com> wrote:
> It's just part and parcel of the General Dumbing-Down Of The Culture.
>
> DSH
>
> "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
> itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
> [c.1258-1264]
>
> "Erilar"  wrote in message 
> news:526570431450542003.527832drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org...

[44 lines snipped]

Much like your top-posting and missing sig separator, then?

-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 29th day of Discord in the YOLD 3181
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#28775

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-12 16:53 +0100
Message-ID<120420151653564886%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28760
In article
<526570431450542003.527832drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <699792806450454167.448466drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <1170324403450413055.311288drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <1008335472450389965.946460drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>>>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <633961960450321847.455104drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe
>>>>>>>> r.
>>>>>>>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what happened to your backups of the iTunes data from your
>>>>>>>>>>>> older
>>>>>>>>>> machine? What happened to the older computer itself, with it's data?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using it for foto editing and newsgroups not in Newstap on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad. It
>>>>>>>>> couldn't restore the app data because the new machine had dumped them
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> it restored them empty.
>>>>>>>>>> so what? do another full restore, this time from your actual backup,
>>>>>>>> which will wipe the emptiness and restore your apps and data.
>>>>>>>>>> That's how I got the apps back, but they were empty.
>>>>>>>> What is an "empty app" and how does it differ from a full one ??
>>>>>>>> Think brand new, downloaded for the first time. Empty.
>>>>>> Fine, so you've now got the old Pages on your new machine. So use it.
>>> 
>>> It's, as usual with "up"grades, missing functions I used regularly. I
>>> presume there are the additional useless bells and whistles I have no use
>>> for.
>> 
>> Then it's not the old Pages, is it?
>
>Exactly. It's a downgrade yet again.

But I kept asking you if you'd copied the old Pages from the old
machine to the new one. You keep insisting you have but now it turns
out you haven't.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#28788

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-12 21:56 +0000
Message-ID<2127788444450568465.617072drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28775
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:.
> 
> But I kept asking you if you'd copied the old Pages from the old
> machine to the new one. You keep insisting you have but now it turns
> out you haven't.

The downgrade came with Yosemite.  I have an older version on iPad and old
laptop.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28781

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2015-04-12 17:05 +0000
Message-ID<552aa5d5$0$36596$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#28760
In article <526570431450542003.527832drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>,
Erilar  <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

First, why on earth did you cc this thread to travel and medieval-
studies groups? I've removed them as they have nothing to do with 
fixing your iPad backup problem.

Second, please learn to trim unneeded quotage. You've got umpteen
layers of wasted space here. As near as I can tell from that mass
of text, the attributions aren't even all correct.

Third,  you said you restored the iPad from your backups, but now
you say that Pages is *not* the same version but a newer one that
you don't like. If that's the case, then obviously you didn't restore
from your backups (which people have been pointing out to you for two
days now). It sounds like you simply went into your purchase history
on Apple's site and got the latest versions of all the apps you had
previously bought. No wonder you aren't seeing any of your own data.


Patty

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