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| Started by | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| First post | 2015-03-12 02:17 +0000 |
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Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-12 02:17 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-12 16:57 +1300
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 06:34 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-13 01:14 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 22:41 -0400
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-13 15:56 +1300
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 23:05 -0400
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-13 19:09 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 05:19 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:30 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-13 01:11 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-13 15:29 +1300
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-13 19:12 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2015-03-14 09:07 -0800
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-15 07:13 +1300
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-16 04:30 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-16 19:00 +1300
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-13 13:40 -0700
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-15 00:21 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-14 18:45 -0700
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-16 00:58 +0000
Re: Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-16 23:28 +0000
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 02:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Firefox equvalent of ClickToFlash |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-Gr7E1wRUP2Kc@localhost> |
ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in Firefox. Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if any function like ClickToFlash. Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? -- John Varela
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 16:57 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m16keq.1hnz2ev1ftu1roN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28167 |
John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > Firefox. > > Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > any function like ClickToFlash. > > Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 06:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg2ctj.2v8h.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #28168 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> was all, like: > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: >> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in >> Firefox. >> >> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of >> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they >> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if >> any function like ClickToFlash. >> >> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. -- http://2blog.kreme.com Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 01:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qsCL33jUvE6S@localhost> |
| In reply to | #28170 |
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:34:44 UTC, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> was all, like: > > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > >> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > >> Firefox. > >> > >> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > >> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > >> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > >> any function like ClickToFlash. > >> > >> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) > > Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Youtube is getting better, however. -- John Varela
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 22:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120320152241430265%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #28179 |
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qsCL33jUvE6S@localhost>, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. > > I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. > Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Youtube is getting better, > however. youtube does not need flash and hasn't for a fairly long time.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 15:56 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m18cac.10vc3he573wc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28182 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qsCL33jUvE6S@localhost>, John Varela > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. > > > > I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. > > Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Youtube is getting better, > > however. > > youtube does not need flash and hasn't for a fairly long time. For most videos, not all. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 23:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120320152305486989%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #28183 |
In article <1m18cac.10vc3he573wc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. > > > > > > I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. > > > Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Youtube is getting better, > > > however. > > > > youtube does not need flash and hasn't for a fairly long time. > > For most videos, not all. all of them now, since youtube officially supports html5, but before that, it was close enough to all to be considered all. the iphone came out in 2007, didn't have flash, and worked just fine with youtube.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 19:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-MpffdP486l12@localhost> |
| In reply to | #28182 |
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 02:41:43 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qsCL33jUvE6S@localhost>, John Varela > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. > > > > I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. > > Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Youtube is getting better, > > however. > > youtube does not need flash and hasn't for a fairly long time. It seems no one explained that to Firefox. -- John Varela
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320151645060410%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #28197 |
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-MpffdP486l12@localhost>, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. > > > > > > I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. > > > Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Youtube is getting better, > > > however. > > > > youtube does not need flash and hasn't for a fairly long time. > > It seems no one explained that to Firefox. why don't you do that?
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 05:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg4ssm.204.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #28179 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> was all, like: > On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:34:44 UTC, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> was all, like: >> > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> >> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in >> >> Firefox. >> >> >> >> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of >> >> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they >> >> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if >> >> any function like ClickToFlash. >> >> >> >> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? >> >> > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) >> >> Not installing Flash has done very well for me for about 8 years or so. > > I still find an occasional web site that insists on Flash. Almost all of them are lying. Tell them you're on an iPad and it magically works. For the tiny tiny minority that really mean it, if I *really* care, I will use Chrome. This nearly never happens. > Smithsonian.com is particularly bad. Really? I've watched a couple of videos there within the last week, though it is not a site I go to often. >Youtube is getting better, however. I haven't needed Flash on Youtube since the iPhone came out in 2007. -- http://2blog.kreme.com I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 09:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmd4lbFsaumU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28168 |
On 2015-03-12, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in
>> Firefox.
>>
>> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of
>> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they
>> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if
>> any function like ClickToFlash.
>>
>> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation?
>
> http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-)
Me too.
Although recently I've stopped bothering with it because AdBlock+ and
Ghostery seem to block all the advertising Flash anyway.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 01:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-iUsqy0Jdizo4@localhost> |
| In reply to | #28168 |
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:57:25 UTC, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > > Firefox. > > > > Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > > them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > > do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > > any function like ClickToFlash. > > > > Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) Thanks. I'll try that one. -- John Varela
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 15:29 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m18a4m.1jr24q8ku4ncoN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28178 |
John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:57:25 UTC, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie > Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > > > Firefox. > > > > > > Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > > > them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > > > do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > > > any function like ClickToFlash. > > > > > > Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > > > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) > > Thanks. I'll try that one. No worries. Flash is such an unholy kludge, that a Flash blocker has been the first extension I install in every web browser for the past decade. I've also recently come to enjoy tab suspension extensions that auto-suspend (like Firefox does with inactive saved tabs when starting up) tabs after being in the background a set period of time, and allow exceptions (e.g. so an iHeartRadio playlist in the background doesn't stop). Between the those two types of extensions, my habit of having dozens of saved tabs across a few windows no longer cripples my system's performance :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 19:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-CUoBYjR6lDn1@localhost> |
| In reply to | #28181 |
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 02:29:04 UTC, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:57:25 UTC, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie > > Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > > > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > > ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > > > > Firefox. > > > > > > > > Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > > > > them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > > > > do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > > > > any function like ClickToFlash. > > > > > > > > Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > > > > > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) > > > > Thanks. I'll try that one. > > No worries. Flash is such an unholy kludge, that a Flash blocker has > been the first extension I install in every web browser for the past > decade. I've had a Flash blocker for some time as part of PrefBar. Lately I've come to realize that the Flash blocker was the only thing I was using on that bar, so I want to get rid of it. > I've also recently come to enjoy tab suspension extensions that > auto-suspend (like Firefox does with inactive saved tabs when starting > up) tabs after being in the background a set period of time, and allow > exceptions (e.g. so an iHeartRadio playlist in the background doesn't > stop). > > Between the those two types of extensions, my habit of having dozens of > saved tabs across a few windows no longer cripples my system's > performance :-) -- John Varela
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| From | DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 09:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D129AABD087C4582B01029BF@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #28181 |
> I've also recently come to enjoy tab suspension extensions that auto-suspend > (like Firefox does with inactive saved tabs when starting up) tabs after > being in the background a set period of time, and allow exceptions (e.g. so > an iHeartRadio playlist in the background doesn't stop). Care to mention any brand names?
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-03-15 07:13 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m1bcr9.88c9ac49z062N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28204 |
DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote: > > I've also recently come to enjoy tab suspension extensions that auto-suspend > > (like Firefox does with inactive saved tabs when starting up) tabs after > > being in the background a set period of time, and allow exceptions (e.g. so > > an iHeartRadio playlist in the background doesn't stop). > > Care to mention any brand names? I'm in Chrome right now where I use The Great Suspender. I forget the name of the Firefox addon I used to use (it was no longer maintained past 2013. BarTab? Or was that a WoW addon...?). Recently when I've been in Firefox I've just got into the habit of quitting and relaunching FF once in a while to get it to use it's own inactive tab suspension upon launch. I tried a couple newer tab FF suspension addons, but they seemed quite flakey. Anyone care to suggest one that works in FF v.36? I am thinking of moving back to FF from Chrome, as Chrome kinda sucks nowadays. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 04:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmgcn55.1c64.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local> |
| In reply to | #28168 |
On 2015-03-12, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > >> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in >> Firefox. >> >> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of >> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they >> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if >> any function like ClickToFlash. >> >> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) For those of us who also use Chrome - Flashcontrol has served me well in that arena. Just search for it in the Chrome web store. -- ... The prejudices people feel about each other disappear when then get to know each other. -- Kirk, "Elaan of Troyius", stardate 4372.5
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 19:00 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m1e4rw.qz9mxno72fi0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28225 |
tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote: > On 2015-03-12, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > >> Firefox. > >> > >> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > >> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > >> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > >> any function like ClickToFlash. > >> > >> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? > > > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ has served me well for many years :-) > > For those of us who also use Chrome - Flashcontrol has served me well in that > arena. > > Just search for it in the Chrome web store. That's what I use in Chrome as well. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 13:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rIGdnUz107rJ1p7InZ2dnUU7-RWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #28167 |
Firefox has an option to ask to activate in plugins. Use that.
On 3/11/2015 7:17 PM, John Varela wrote:
> ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in
> Firefox.
>
> Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of
> them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they
> do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if
> any function like ClickToFlash.
>
> Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation?
>
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-15 00:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZjjrJ2SHghW0@localhost> |
| In reply to | #28199 |
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:40:51 UTC, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > Firefox has an option to ask to activate in plugins. Use that. Thanks for the suggestion. Since making the OP I have found it for myself and am using it now. > On 3/11/2015 7:17 PM, John Varela wrote: > > ClickToFlash is for Safari. I'd like a similar capability in > > Firefox. > > > > Firefox lists a bunch of Flash blockers at about:addons. Most of > > them have good user ratings, but scanty descriptions of what they > > do. Clearly they're not all the same, and it's not clear which if > > any function like ClickToFlash. > > > > Is anyone here familiar with them and can make a recommendation? -- John Varela
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