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| Started by | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| First post | 2015-02-01 10:15 -0500 |
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Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-01 10:15 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-01 12:23 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-02-01 13:06 -0800
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-01 18:47 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... uwe.schliephake-expires-2015-02-28@arcor.de (Uwe Schliephake) - 2015-02-03 16:20 +0100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 16:15 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2015-02-01 14:01 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-02-01 21:56 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 17:10 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2015-02-01 18:46 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 01:30 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-01 15:28 -0800
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 11:18 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-02-01 19:56 -0800
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 15:19 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 23:33 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 16:21 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 00:57 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 17:36 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-01 22:10 -0800
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 09:26 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-02 16:43 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 22:57 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-02-02 11:59 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 10:32 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 05:06 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 13:09 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 16:29 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 22:59 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 20:24 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 15:31 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-03 09:32 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 15:06 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 09:59 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 17:05 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 10:58 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:25 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 19:30 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 09:58 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:31 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 18:11 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 11:36 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 07:15 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-02-05 08:52 +0100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-05 11:55 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 05:49 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 23:34 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-04 08:31 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-04 12:52 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 11:35 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 07:01 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-05 11:55 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 05:41 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-02-05 18:07 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-06 12:49 +1300
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 11:43 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-06 11:37 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-07 09:38 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 18:15 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:20 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-04 00:43 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-04 12:38 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-04 01:57 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-04 13:05 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-04 12:47 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 17:07 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 10:59 -0700
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:39 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 16:22 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... bne9988 <bne9988@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 20:11 +0100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 17:54 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-04 12:49 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 06:08 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-04 08:37 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-05 06:16 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-05 08:52 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-06 04:35 +1100
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-02-07 19:20 +0000
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-05 13:11 -0500
Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-06 05:57 +1100
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <040220150048073383%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27649 |
In article <cjcm25Fes02U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > Where do they compete? > >> > > >> > In the mobile OS arena. > >> > >> actually they don't. > >> > >> google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers). > >> apple doesn't give away ios > >> > >> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. > >> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. > > > > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > > Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, yes it absolutely is. otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away. > its > just another area that google has choose to get involved in. advertising is what google is all about. google dabbles in a few other areas such as autonomous vehicles but that's research, not a product. > So is Glass. glass is no longer for sale and was nothing more than a technology demo anyway.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 18:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjdv2oFohghU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27661 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>> Where do they compete? >>>>> In the mobile OS arena. >>>> actually they don't. >>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some >>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios >>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. >>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. >>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. >> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, > yes it absolutely is. BULLSHIT. > otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away. How odd that Apple gives theirs away. And Pages and Numbers as well. >> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in. > advertising is what google is all about. Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. > google dabbles in a few other areas such as autonomous > vehicles but that's research, not a product. And android is a product, stupid. So is Chrome, stupid. And the Nexus line too. >> So is Glass. > glass is no longer for sale Irrelevant to whether was about advertising. > and was nothing more than a technology demo anyway. Wrong, as always.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 11:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <040220151136035886%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27666 |
In article <cjdv2oFohghU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Where do they compete? > > >>>>> In the mobile OS arena. > > >>>> actually they don't. > > >>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some > >>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios > > >>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. > >>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. > > >>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > > >> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, > > > yes it absolutely is. > > BULLSHIT. it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money. > > otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away. > > How odd that Apple gives theirs away. apple does not give away nor sell ios. > And Pages and Numbers as well. irrelevant. > >> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in. > > > advertising is what google is all about. > > Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. nope. 97% of google's revenue is advertising. <http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-apple-and-google-where-does-the- money-come-from/> <http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b8594357f8b9a2b67420000/googl e-revenue-split-sai-chart.gif>
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 07:15 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjfd0hF64r0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27677 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> Where do they compete? >>>>>>> In the mobile OS arena. >>>>>> actually they don't. >>>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some >>>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios >>>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. >>>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. >>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. >>>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, >>> yes it absolutely is. >> BULLSHIT. > it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money. Its complete and utter bullshit that android is JUST about increasing advertising revenues. >>> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away. >> How odd that Apple gives theirs away. > apple does not give away nor sell ios. Corse it gives away iOS. >> And Pages and Numbers as well. > irrelevant. Nope, that's another example of something given away which has nothing to do with ADVERTISING REVENUES. >>>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in. >>> advertising is what google is all about. >> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. > nope. Yep. > 97% of google's revenue is advertising. Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. > <http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-apple-and-google-where-does-the- > money-come-from/> Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. > <http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b8594357f8b9a2b67420000/googl > e-revenue-split-sai-chart.gif> Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue.
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| From | befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 08:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1lzd4cq.85663q1dejt6oN%befr@eaglesoft.de> |
| In reply to | #27681 |
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> BULLSHIT. > > > it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money. > > Its complete and utter bullshit Hey, up til now I only heard about pissing contests. You are the first guys I know that are in a shitting contest. Keep up the crap! (And keep the fan away ;-)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 11:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <050220151155460826%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27681 |
In article <cjfd0hF64r0U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Where do they compete? > > >>>>>>> In the mobile OS arena. > > >>>>>> actually they don't. > > >>>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some > >>>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios > > >>>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. > >>>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. > > >>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > > >>>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, > > >>> yes it absolutely is. > > >> BULLSHIT. > > > it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money. > > Its complete and utter bullshit that android > is JUST about increasing advertising revenues. as far as google is concerned, android is all about advertising. > >>> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away. > > >> How odd that Apple gives theirs away. > > > apple does not give away nor sell ios. > > Corse it gives away iOS. no they don't. they offer updates for *existing* customers. good luck getting ios to run on a non-iphone. good luck getting license to distribute it for your own hardware. that's totally different than google/android. > >> And Pages and Numbers as well. > > > irrelevant. > > Nope, that's another example of something given away > which has nothing to do with ADVERTISING REVENUES. which shows that apple's business model is not advertising. you're proving my point. > >>>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in. > > >>> advertising is what google is all about. > > >> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. > > > nope. > > Yep. nope. > > 97% of google's revenue is advertising. > > Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. as a public company, maximizing revenue is *required*, and google does that with ads.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-06 05:49 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjhsbrFpjmgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27691 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>> Where do they compete? >>>>>>>>> In the mobile OS arena. >>>>>>>> actually they don't. >>>>>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some >>>>>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios >>>>>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. >>>>>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. >>>>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising >>>>>>> revenues. >>>>>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, >>>>> yes it absolutely is. >>>> BULLSHIT. >>> it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money. >> Its complete and utter bullshit that android >> is JUST about increasing advertising revenues. > as far as google is concerned, android is all about advertising. Wrong, as always. Neither are the Nexus devices either. Or Glass. >>>>> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away. >>>> How odd that Apple gives theirs away. >>> apple does not give away nor sell ios. >> Corse it gives away iOS. > no they don't. Corse they do. I have never paid for it. > they offer updates for *existing* customers. And give it away when you buy and iDevice too. > good luck getting ios to run on a non-iphone. Irrelevant to whether apple charges for it when you get an iDevice. > good luck getting license to distribute it for your own hardware. Irrelevant to whether apple charges for it when you get an iDevice. > that's totally different than google/android. But google and apple do compete in the mobile OS arena, no matter how mindlessly you try to deny that. Just like ebay and amazon and aliexpress compete in that arena, even tho they have quite different business models. >>>> And Pages and Numbers as well. >>> irrelevant. >> Nope, that's another example of something given away >> which has nothing to do with ADVERTISING REVENUES. > which shows that apple's business model is not advertising. It actually shows that GIVING SOMETHING AWAY says nothing useful about advertising. > you're proving my point. Wrong, as always. >>>>>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in. >>>>> advertising is what google is all about. >> >> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. >>> nope. >> Yep. > nope. Yep. >>> 97% of google's revenue is advertising. >> Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. > as a public company, maximizing revenue is *required*, Wrong, as always. > and google does that with ads. Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether google and apple do compete in a great raft of areas, mobile phone OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, browsers, eStores, even what ever you call Siri, etc etc etc.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27639 |
In article <030220150958367701%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few > > > > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services > > > > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both). > > > > > > > > Where do they compete? > > > > > > In the mobile OS arena. > > > > actually they don't. > > > > google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers). > > apple doesn't give away ios > > > > google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising. > > apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales. > > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. nope. apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from iads. two totally different business models.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-02-03 23:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <030220152334476105%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #27663 |
In article <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. > > nope. > > apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from > iads. > > two totally different business models. Business models don't count. The fact is that for every Android phone sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale. Therefore, they're in competition. You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the facts, no matter how much you deny them.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 08:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmd3m8m.2fk5.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #27664 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like: > In article <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam > <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. >> > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. >> >> nope. >> >> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from >> iads. >> >> two totally different business models. > Business models don't count. The fact is that for every Android phone > sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale. That's just not true. There are plenty of people who would *never* consider an iPhone even if there were no other choices, and there are plenty of other choices. Crappy choices, to be sure, but other choices. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjej00Fth45U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27664 |
On 2015-02-04, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam ><nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. >> > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. >> >> nope. >> >> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from >> iads. >> >> two totally different business models. > > Business models don't count. The fact is that for every Android phone > sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale. No, that's definitely not true. Android is used on many crappy, cheap phones that don't even make up the market segments in which Apple competes. > Therefore, they're in competition. Somewhat. To a large extent, no. > You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the > facts, no matter how much you deny them. The "fact" you stated above is erroneous. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 11:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <040220151135595642%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27664 |
In article <030220152334476105%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > > > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. > > > > nope. > > > > apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from > > iads. > > > > two totally different business models. > > Business models don't count. of course it counts. google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales. > The fact is that for every Android phone > sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale. definitely not true. you don't know if the person was even considering an iphone. some hate apple and won't get an iphone no matter what, even if it was completely free, both hardware and service. many android phones are low end that do not compete at all with an iphone. there are android devices that do not have lte. some android phones are sold with gingerbread, which is several years old. perhaps the person was considering a windows phone versus android, or maybe even blackberry (they're not dead *yet*). also keep in mind that the bulk of android phone sales are for samsung, htc, motorola xiaomi, etc. google does sell nexus phones but not very many and they're sold at or near cost (subsidized) because they'll make the money back in advertising. amazon does something similar with the kindle, knowing that most users will be buying stuff on amazon, so they subsidize its price. amazon even forks android and cuts google out of the loop. > Therefore, they're in competition. nope. > You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the > facts, no matter how much you deny them. tell yourself that.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 07:01 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27676 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote >>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. >>>> Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. >>> nope. >>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from >>> iads. >>> two totally different business models. >> Business models don't count. > of course it counts. Wrong, as always. Ebay's business model is quite different to Amazon's and to other smaller online retailers in spades. Doesn't mean they don't compete. > google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's > revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales. Irrelevant to whether they compete in a number of areas, mobile OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, eStores, browsers etc etc etc.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 11:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <050220151155450758%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27680 |
In article <cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. > >>>> Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. > > >>> nope. > > >>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from > >>> iads. > > >>> two totally different business models. > > >> Business models don't count. > > > of course it counts. > > Wrong, as always. Ebay's business model is quite different to Amazon's and > to other smaller online retailers in spades. Doesn't mean they don't > compete. ebay and amazon do not compete at all! one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. > > google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's > > revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales. > > Irrelevant to whether they compete in a number of areas, mobile > OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, eStores, browsers etc etc etc. it's exactly relevant.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-06 05:41 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjhrrrFpffeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27690 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising >>>>>> revenues. Therefore, it is in competition with iOS. >>>>> nope. >>>>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount >>>>> from iads. >>>>> two totally different business models. >>>> Business models don't count. >>> of course it counts. >> Wrong, as always. Ebay's business model is quite different >> to Amazon's and to other smaller online retailers in spades. >> Doesn't mean they don't compete. > ebay and amazon do not compete at all! Even sillier than you usually manage. > one's an auction site Its been much more than that for a hell of a long time now. > and the other is an online vendor. And they compete anyway. >>> google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's >>> revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales. >> Irrelevant to whether they compete in a number of areas, mobile >> OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, eStores, browsers etc etc etc. > it's exactly relevant. Even sillier than you usually manage.
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| From | AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 18:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #27690 |
On 2/5/15, 11:55, nospam wrote: > In article<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> ... >>Doesn't mean they don't >> compete. > > ebay and amazon do not compete at all! > > one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. There is some overlap in how they function. eBay does offer many of its wares for sale at the announced price without auctioning. And they compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, eBay offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell at a fixed price. > >>>... -- ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-06 12:49 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <060220151249068380%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #27697 |
In article <mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 2/5/15, 11:55, nospam wrote: > > In article<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed > > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> ... > >>Doesn't mean they don't > >> compete. > > > > ebay and amazon do not compete at all! > > > > one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. > > There is some overlap in how they function. eBay does offer many of its > wares for sale at the announced price without auctioning. And they > compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, eBay > offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell at > a fixed price. And both have "store" owners spamming all over the internet to try and get idiots to buy stuff fomr them. :-(
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-06 11:43 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjih31FffdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27697 |
"AV3" <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net... > On 2/5/15, 11:55, nospam wrote: >> In article<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed >> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> ... >>>Doesn't mean they don't >>> compete. >> >> ebay and amazon do not compete at all! >> >> one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. > > > There is some overlap in how they function. There is a hell of a lot of overlap with who uses them. > eBay does offer many of its wares for sale at the announced price without > auctioning. In fact most of the transaction volume moves that way now. > And they compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, > eBay offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell > at a fixed price. And even when the detail of how they operate differs, that is irrelevant to whether they compete or not. eStores obviously compete with bricks and mortar stores even tho the way they operate is quite different.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-06 11:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <060220151137409619%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #27697 |
In article <mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>Doesn't mean they don't > >> compete. > > > > ebay and amazon do not compete at all! > > > > one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. > > There is some overlap in how they function. eBay does offer many of its > wares for sale at the announced price without auctioning. And they > compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, eBay > offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell at > a fixed price. there's an overlap but they are not competitors. they serve two totally different markets.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-07 09:38 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <cjku4uFjk3fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27701 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote >>>> Doesn't mean they don't compete. >>> ebay and amazon do not compete at all! >>> one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. >> There is some overlap in how they function. And an immense overlap in what they sell and who buys from them. >> eBay does offer many of its wares for sale >> at the announced price without auctioning. Most of what ebay sells is like that now. And they >> compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, And compete for the custom of people who buy most of the stuff they both flog. >> eBay offering auctions and Amazon offering >> to buy the goods and later sell at a fixed price. > there's an overlap A massive overlap in fact with the bulk of buyers using both and plenty using aliexpress as well now. > but they are not competitors. Even sillier than you usually manage. > they serve two totally different markets. Even sillier than you usually manage.
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