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Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.apps, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...
Date 2015-02-04 11:35 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <040220151135595642%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink)
References (7 earlier) <020220152024274000%michelle@michelle.org> <030220150932518483%nospam@nospam.invalid> <030220150958367701%michelle@michelle.org> <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid> <030220152334476105%michelle@michelle.org>

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In article <030220152334476105%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
> > > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.
> > 
> > nope.
> > 
> > apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from
> > iads.
> > 
> > two totally different business models.
> 
> Business models don't count.

of course it counts.

google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's revenue
is almost entirely hardware and software sales.

> The fact is that for every Android phone
> sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale. 

definitely not true. 

you don't know if the person was even considering an iphone. 

some hate apple and won't get an iphone no matter what, even if it was
completely free, both hardware and service. 

many android phones are low end that do not compete at all with an
iphone. there are android devices that do not have lte. some android
phones are sold with gingerbread, which is several years old. 

perhaps the person was considering a windows phone versus android, or
maybe even blackberry (they're not dead *yet*). 

also keep in mind that the bulk of android phone sales are for samsung,
htc, motorola xiaomi, etc. google does sell nexus phones but not very
many and they're sold at or near cost (subsidized) because they'll make
the money back in advertising. 

amazon does something similar with the kindle, knowing that most users
will be buying stuff on amazon, so they subsidize its price. amazon
even forks android and cuts google out of the loop. 

> Therefore, they're in competition. 

nope.

> You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the
> facts, no matter how much you deny them.

tell yourself that.

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Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-01 10:15 -0500
  Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-01 12:23 -0500
    Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-02-01 13:06 -0800
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-01 18:47 -0500
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... uwe.schliephake-expires-2015-02-28@arcor.de (Uwe Schliephake) - 2015-02-03 16:20 +0100
    Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 16:15 -0500
  Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2015-02-01 14:01 -0500
    Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-02-01 21:56 +0000
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 17:10 -0500
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2015-02-01 18:46 -0500
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 01:30 +0000
    Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-01 15:28 -0800
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 11:18 +1100
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-02-01 19:56 -0800
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 15:19 +1100
          Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 23:33 -0500
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 16:21 +1100
              Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 00:57 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 17:36 +1100
              Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-01 22:10 -0800
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 09:26 -0700
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-02 16:43 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 22:57 +0000
          Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-02-02 11:59 -0500
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 10:32 -0700
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 05:06 +1100
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 13:09 -0500
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 16:29 -0500
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 22:59 +0000
              Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 20:24 -0700
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 15:31 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-03 09:32 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 15:06 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 09:59 -0700
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 17:05 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 10:58 -0700
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:25 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 19:30 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 09:58 -0700
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:31 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 18:11 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 11:36 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 07:15 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-02-05 08:52 +0100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-05 11:55 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 05:49 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 23:34 -0700
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-04 08:31 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-04 12:52 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 11:35 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 07:01 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-05 11:55 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 05:41 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-02-05 18:07 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-06 12:49 +1300
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 11:43 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-06 11:37 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-07 09:38 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 18:15 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:20 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-04 00:43 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-04 12:38 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-04 01:57 +0000
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-04 13:05 +1100
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
                Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-04 12:47 +0000
          Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-03 17:07 +0000
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-03 10:59 -0700
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 06:39 +1100
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 16:22 -0500
    Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... bne9988 <bne9988@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 20:11 +0100
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 17:54 +1100
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-04 12:49 +0000
          Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 06:08 +1100
      Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-04 08:37 -0500
        Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-05 06:16 +1100
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            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon.  New default for Safari ... "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-02-06 04:35 +1100
            Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ... Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-02-07 19:20 +0000
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