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#27661

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
Message-ID	<040220150048073383%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27649

In article <cjcm25Fes02U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> > > Where do they compete?
> >> >
> >> > In the mobile OS arena.
> >>
> >> actually they don't.
> >>
> >> google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
> >> apple doesn't give away ios
> >>
> >> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> >> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
> >
> > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
> 
> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, 

yes it absolutely is. otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away.

> its
> just another area that google has choose to get involved in.

advertising is what google is all about. 

google dabbles in a few other areas such as autonomous vehicles but
that's research, not a product.

> So is Glass.

glass is no longer for sale and was nothing more than a technology demo
anyway.

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#27666

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-04 18:11 +1100
Message-ID	<cjdv2oFohghU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27661

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote 
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Where do they compete?

>>>>> In the mobile OS arena.

>>>> actually they don't.

>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some 
>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios

>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.

>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
 
>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, 
 
> yes it absolutely is. 

BULLSHIT. 

> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away.

How odd that Apple gives theirs away. 

And Pages and Numbers as well. 
 
>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in.
 
> advertising is what google is all about. 

Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. 
 
> google dabbles in a few other areas such as autonomous 
> vehicles but that's research, not a product.

And android is a product, stupid. So is Chrome, stupid. 
And the Nexus line too. 
 
>> So is Glass.
 
> glass is no longer for sale 

Irrelevant to whether was about advertising. 

> and was nothing more than a technology demo anyway.

Wrong, as always.

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#27677

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-04 11:36 -0500
Message-ID	<040220151136035886%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27666

In article <cjdv2oFohghU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>> Where do they compete?
> 
> >>>>> In the mobile OS arena.
> 
> >>>> actually they don't.
> 
> >>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some 
> >>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios
> 
> >>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> >>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
> 
> >>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
>  
> >> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, 
>  
> > yes it absolutely is. 
> 
> BULLSHIT. 

it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money.

> > otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away.
> 
> How odd that Apple gives theirs away. 

apple does not give away nor sell ios.

> And Pages and Numbers as well. 

irrelevant.

> >> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in.
>  
> > advertising is what google is all about. 
> 
> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. 

nope. 97% of google's revenue is advertising.

<http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-apple-and-google-where-does-the-
money-come-from/>

<http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b8594357f8b9a2b67420000/googl
e-revenue-split-sai-chart.gif>

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#27681

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-05 07:15 +1100
Message-ID	<cjfd0hF64r0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27677

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote 
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> Where do they compete?
 
>>>>>>> In the mobile OS arena.
 
>>>>>> actually they don't.
 
>>>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some 
>>>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios
 
>>>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
>>>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
 
>>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
  
>>>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, 
  
>>> yes it absolutely is. 
 
>> BULLSHIT. 
 
> it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money.

Its complete and utter bullshit that android 
is JUST about increasing advertising revenues. 

>>> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away.
 
>> How odd that Apple gives theirs away. 
 
> apple does not give away nor sell ios.

Corse it gives away iOS. 
 
>> And Pages and Numbers as well. 
 
> irrelevant.

Nope, that's another example of something given away
which has nothing to do with ADVERTISING REVENUES. 
 
>>>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in.
  
>>> advertising is what google is all about. 
 
>> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. 
 
> nope. 

Yep. 

> 97% of google's revenue is advertising.

Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. 
 
> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-apple-and-google-where-does-the-
> money-come-from/>

Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. 
 
> <http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b8594357f8b9a2b67420000/googl
> e-revenue-split-sai-chart.gif>

Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue.

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#27686

From	befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich)
Date	2015-02-05 08:52 +0100
Message-ID	<1lzd4cq.85663q1dejt6oN%befr@eaglesoft.de>
In reply to	#27681

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> BULLSHIT. 
>  
> > it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money.
> 
> Its complete and utter bullshit

Hey, up til now I only heard about pissing contests.
You are the first guys I know that are in a shitting contest.

Keep up the crap!
(And keep the fan away ;-)

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#27691

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-05 11:55 -0500
Message-ID	<050220151155460826%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27681

In article <cjfd0hF64r0U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> Where do they compete?
>  
> >>>>>>> In the mobile OS arena.
>  
> >>>>>> actually they don't.
>  
> >>>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some 
> >>>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios
>  
> >>>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> >>>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
>  
> >>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
>   
> >>>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues, 
>   
> >>> yes it absolutely is. 
>  
> >> BULLSHIT. 
>  
> > it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money.
> 
> Its complete and utter bullshit that android 
> is JUST about increasing advertising revenues. 

as far as google is concerned, android is all about advertising.

> >>> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away.
>  
> >> How odd that Apple gives theirs away. 
>  
> > apple does not give away nor sell ios.
> 
> Corse it gives away iOS. 

no they don't.

they offer updates for *existing* customers.

good luck getting ios to run on a non-iphone.

good luck getting  license to distribute it for your own hardware.

that's totally different than google/android.

> >> And Pages and Numbers as well. 
>  
> > irrelevant.
> 
> Nope, that's another example of something given away
> which has nothing to do with ADVERTISING REVENUES. 

which shows that apple's business model is not advertising.

you're proving my point.

> >>>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in.
>   
> >>> advertising is what google is all about. 
>  
> >> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising. 
>  
> > nope. 
> 
> Yep. 

nope.

> > 97% of google's revenue is advertising.
> 
> Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue. 

as a public company, maximizing revenue is *required*, and google does
that with ads.

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#27695

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-06 05:49 +1100
Message-ID	<cjhsbrFpjmgU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27691

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>> Where do they compete?

>>>>>>>>> In the mobile OS arena.

>>>>>>>> actually they don't.

>>>>>>>> google gives away android (and licenses it to some
>>>>>>>> manufacturers). apple doesn't give away ios

>>>>>>>> google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
>>>>>>>> apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.

>>>>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising 
>>>>>>> revenues.

>>>>>> Android isnt just about increasing advertising revenues,

>>>>> yes it absolutely is.

>>>> BULLSHIT.

>>> it's not bullshit because that's how google makes money.

>> Its complete and utter bullshit that android
>> is JUST about increasing advertising revenues.

> as far as google is concerned, android is all about advertising.

Wrong, as always. Neither are the Nexus devices either. Or Glass.

>>>>> otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away.

>>>> How odd that Apple gives theirs away.

>>> apple does not give away nor sell ios.

>> Corse it gives away iOS.

> no they don't.

Corse they do. I have never paid for it.

> they offer updates for *existing* customers.

And give it away when you buy and iDevice too.

> good luck getting ios to run on a non-iphone.

Irrelevant to whether apple charges for it when you get an iDevice.

> good luck getting  license to distribute it for your own hardware.

Irrelevant to whether apple charges for it when you get an iDevice.

> that's totally different than google/android.

But google and apple do compete in the mobile OS
arena, no matter how mindlessly you try to deny that.

Just like ebay and amazon and aliexpress compete in that
arena, even tho they have quite different business models.

>>>> And Pages and Numbers as well.

>>> irrelevant.

>> Nope, that's another example of something given away
>> which has nothing to do with ADVERTISING REVENUES.

> which shows that apple's business model is not advertising.

It actually shows that GIVING SOMETHING
AWAY says nothing useful about advertising.

> you're proving my point.

Wrong, as always.

>>>>>> its just another area that google has choose to get involved in.

>>>>> advertising is what google is all about.

>> >> Google has always been about MUCH more than just advertising.

>>> nope.

>> Yep.

> nope.

Yep.

>>> 97% of google's revenue is advertising.

>> Google has always been about MUCH more than just revenue.

> as a public company, maximizing revenue is *required*,

Wrong, as always.

> and google does that with ads.

Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether google and apple do
compete in a great raft of areas, mobile phone OSs, phones, tablets,
cameras, browsers, eStores, even what ever you call Siri, etc etc etc.

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#27663

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-04 00:48 -0500
Message-ID	<040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27639

In article <030220150958367701%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > But Google is *not* Apple's main competitor. In fact, there are very few
> > > > areas in which Apple and Google compete. Let's see.. free email services
> > > > (free from both) and free contact/calendar/etc syncing (free from both).
> > > > 
> > > > Where do they compete?
> > > 
> > > In the mobile OS arena.
> > 
> > actually they don't.
> > 
> > google gives away android (and licenses it to some manufacturers).
> > apple doesn't give away ios
> > 
> > google makes the majority of its revenue from advertising.
> > apple makes the majority of its revenue from iphone sales.
> 
> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
> Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.

nope.

apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from
iads.

two totally different business models.

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#27664

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-02-03 23:34 -0700
Message-ID	<030220152334476105%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#27663

In article <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
> > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.
> 
> nope.
> 
> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from
> iads.
> 
> two totally different business models.

Business models don't count.  The fact is that for every Android phone
sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale.  Therefore, they're in competition. 
You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the
facts, no matter how much you deny them.

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#27669

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-02-04 08:31 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmd3m8m.2fk5.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#27664

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
> In article <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
>> > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.
>> 
>> nope.
>> 
>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from
>> iads.
>> 
>> two totally different business models.

> Business models don't count.  The fact is that for every Android phone
> sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale.

That's just not true.

There are plenty of people who would *never* consider an iPhone even if
there were no other choices, and there are plenty of other choices.
Crappy choices, to be sure, but other choices.

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com

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#27672

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-02-04 12:52 +0000
Message-ID	<cjej00Fth45U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27664

On 2015-02-04, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <040220150048194122%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
><nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
>> > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.
>> 
>> nope.
>> 
>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from
>> iads.
>> 
>> two totally different business models.
>
> Business models don't count.  The fact is that for every Android phone
> sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale.

No, that's definitely not true. Android is used on many crappy, cheap
phones that don't even make up the market segments in which Apple
competes.

> Therefore, they're in competition. 

Somewhat. To a large extent, no.

> You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the
> facts, no matter how much you deny them.

The "fact" you stated above is erroneous.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#27676

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-04 11:35 -0500
Message-ID	<040220151135595642%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27664

In article <030220152334476105%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues. 
> > > Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.
> > 
> > nope.
> > 
> > apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from
> > iads.
> > 
> > two totally different business models.
> 
> Business models don't count.

of course it counts.

google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's revenue
is almost entirely hardware and software sales.

> The fact is that for every Android phone
> sold, Apple loses an iPhone sale. 

definitely not true. 

you don't know if the person was even considering an iphone. 

some hate apple and won't get an iphone no matter what, even if it was
completely free, both hardware and service. 

many android phones are low end that do not compete at all with an
iphone. there are android devices that do not have lte. some android
phones are sold with gingerbread, which is several years old. 

perhaps the person was considering a windows phone versus android, or
maybe even blackberry (they're not dead *yet*). 

also keep in mind that the bulk of android phone sales are for samsung,
htc, motorola xiaomi, etc. google does sell nexus phones but not very
many and they're sold at or near cost (subsidized) because they'll make
the money back in advertising. 

amazon does something similar with the kindle, knowing that most users
will be buying stuff on amazon, so they subsidize its price. amazon
even forks android and cuts google out of the loop. 

> Therefore, they're in competition. 

nope.

> You can rationalize against that forever, but you can't change the
> facts, no matter how much you deny them.

tell yourself that.

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#27680

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-05 07:01 +1100
Message-ID	<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27676

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote

>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
>>>> Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.

>>> nope.

>>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from 
>>> iads.

>>> two totally different business models.

>> Business models don't count.

> of course it counts.

Wrong, as always. Ebay's business model is quite different to Amazon's and
to other smaller online retailers in spades. Doesn't mean they don't 
compete.

> google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's
> revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales.

Irrelevant to whether they compete in a number of areas, mobile
OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, eStores, browsers etc etc etc.

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#27690

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-05 11:55 -0500
Message-ID	<050220151155450758%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27680

In article <cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising revenues.
> >>>> Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.
> 
> >>> nope.
> 
> >>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount from 
> >>> iads.
> 
> >>> two totally different business models.
> 
> >> Business models don't count.
> 
> > of course it counts.
> 
> Wrong, as always. Ebay's business model is quite different to Amazon's and
> to other smaller online retailers in spades. Doesn't mean they don't 
> compete.

ebay and amazon do not compete at all!

one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor. 

> > google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's
> > revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales.
> 
> Irrelevant to whether they compete in a number of areas, mobile
> OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, eStores, browsers etc etc etc.

it's exactly relevant.

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#27694

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-06 05:41 +1100
Message-ID	<cjhrrrFpffeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27690

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Android is one of Google's ways to increase its advertising
>>>>>> revenues. Therefore, it is in competition with iOS.

>>>>> nope.

>>>>> apple doesn't make money on advertising, other than a small amount 
>>>>> from iads.

>>>>> two totally different business models.

>>>> Business models don't count.

>>> of course it counts.

>> Wrong, as always. Ebay's business model is quite different
>> to Amazon's and to other smaller online retailers in spades.
>> Doesn't mean they don't compete.

> ebay and amazon do not compete at all!

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> one's an auction site

Its been much more than that for a hell of a long time now.

> and the other is an online vendor.

And they compete anyway.

>>> google's revenue is almost entirely advertising, while apple's
>>> revenue is almost entirely hardware and software sales.

>> Irrelevant to whether they compete in a number of areas, mobile
>> OSs, phones, tablets, cameras, eStores, browsers etc etc etc.

> it's exactly relevant.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

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#27697

From	AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date	2015-02-05 18:07 -0500
Message-ID	<mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#27690

On 2/5/15, 11:55, nospam wrote:
> In article<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>>>>> ...
>>Doesn't mean they don't
>> compete.
>
> ebay and amazon do not compete at all!
>
> one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor.


There is some overlap in how they function. eBay does offer many of its 
wares for sale at the announced price without auctioning. And they 
compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, eBay 
offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell at 
a fixed price.


>
>>>...


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#27698

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date	2015-02-06 12:49 +1300
Message-ID	<060220151249068380%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to	#27697

In article <mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2/5/15, 11:55, nospam wrote:
> > In article<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
> > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>> ...
> >>Doesn't mean they don't
> >> compete.
> >
> > ebay and amazon do not compete at all!
> >
> > one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor.
> 
> There is some overlap in how they function. eBay does offer many of its 
> wares for sale at the announced price without auctioning. And they 
> compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, eBay 
> offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell at 
> a fixed price.

And both have "store" owners spamming all over the internet to try and
get idiots to buy stuff fomr them.  :-(

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#27699

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-06 11:43 +1100
Message-ID	<cjih31FffdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27697

"AV3" <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2/5/15, 11:55, nospam wrote:
>> In article<cjfc6pF5tlqU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>Doesn't mean they don't
>>> compete.
>>
>> ebay and amazon do not compete at all!
>>
>> one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor.
>
>
> There is some overlap in how they function.

There is a hell of a lot of overlap with who uses them.

> eBay does offer many of its wares for sale at the announced price without 
> auctioning.

In fact most of the transaction volume moves that way now.

> And they compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, 
> eBay offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell 
> at a fixed price.

And even when the detail of how they operate differs,
that is irrelevant to whether they compete or not.

eStores obviously compete with bricks and mortar
stores even tho the way they operate is quite different.

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#27701

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-06 11:37 -0500
Message-ID	<060220151137409619%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27697

In article <mb0t30$6br$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>Doesn't mean they don't
> >> compete.
> >
> > ebay and amazon do not compete at all!
> >
> > one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor.
> 
> There is some overlap in how they function. eBay does offer many of its 
> wares for sale at the announced price without auctioning. And they 
> compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods, eBay 
> offering auctions and Amazon offering to buy the goods and later sell at 
> a fixed price.

there's an overlap but they are not competitors. they serve two totally
different markets.

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#27702

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-07 09:38 +1100
Message-ID	<cjku4uFjk3fU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27701

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote

>>>> Doesn't mean they don't compete.

>>> ebay and amazon do not compete at all!

>>> one's an auction site and the other is an online vendor.

>> There is some overlap in how they function.

And an immense overlap in what they sell and who buys from them.

>> eBay does offer many of its wares for sale
>> at the announced price without auctioning.

Most of what ebay sells is like that now.

And they
>> compete for the custom of people trying to sell off used goods,

And compete for the custom of people who buy most of the stuff they both 
flog.

>> eBay offering auctions and Amazon offering
>> to buy the goods and later sell at a fixed price.

> there's an overlap

A massive overlap in fact with the bulk of buyers
using both and plenty using aliexpress as well now.

> but they are not competitors.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> they serve two totally different markets.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

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