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  Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 08:15 -0400
    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-10-23 08:34 -0400
    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:37 -0400
      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 11:17 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 -0400
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:14 +1100
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 15:37 -0400
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:35 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 03:17 -0400
              Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 01:29 -0700
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 05:15 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 02:30 -0700
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:29 +1100
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 22:26 -0700
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 17:24 +1100
                      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 07:04 -0700
                        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 03:17 +1100
                          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 10:45 -0700
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:07 +1100
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-29 08:01 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 03:07 +1100
              Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-29 14:02 -0400
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 07:41 +1100
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-29 16:47 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-29 17:22 -0400
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:33 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-29 12:12 -0400
    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:02 +0200
      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:03 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-23 23:25 +0000
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:51 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:24 +0200
      Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 21:13 -0400
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-24 02:05 +0000
        Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:23 +0200
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-24 13:48 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:30 -0400
          Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:27 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:58 -0400
            Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-26 20:29 +0100
              Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-26 15:45 -0400
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-26 20:05 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-26 20:14 -0400
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:38 -0400
                Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-28 15:51 +0100
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-28 15:16 -0400
                    Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-28 16:53 -0400
                  Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-28 17:05 -0400

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#149755 — Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>

Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149756

On 10/23/26 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
> 
> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
> 
Wow!   Take a Valium!

I'd have listened but he had way too much coffee or something.   Didn't want the YouTube 
video to run that long maybe.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 153.4.0esr,  Firefox 158.0
     Alan K.

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#149757

On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
> 
> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?


I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
myself, but if I were ...

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149758

On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>
>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
> 
> 
> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
> myself, but if I were ...
> 

You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
actually use it to do something.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149773

On Fri, 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>
>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops myself, but if I were ...
>>
> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to constantly 
> fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually use it to do something.

As a former Apple user (three Apple computer), attraction is zero.
Been to that rodeo, got off the horse.

Also not in the market for a new computer, as the market now
is all about gouging consumers.

I'm still waiting for the oxygen rentals to start. Surely
someone can corner the oxygen market, and start the rentals.

   Paul

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#149913

On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 07:22:23 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>
>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows  
>>>> machine?
>>>
>>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops  
>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>>
>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to  
>> constantly
>> fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually  
>> use it to do something.
>
> As a former Apple user (three Apple computer), attraction is zero.
> Been to that rodeo, got off the horse.

Why did you get off the horse ?

I have been considering adding a Mac, mainly
for the better integration of the iphone which
I do most stuff on apart from usenet, freecell
pro and my massive collection of databases
in access

> Also not in the market for a new computer, as the market now
> is all about gouging consumers.

I wasn't gouged with my win11 laptop which
I basically got because I never watch any TV
live anymore, I stream the channels instead
and all but one stopped working on Win7
and I can't do ad free with SBS australia

> I'm still waiting for the oxygen rentals to start. Surely
> someone can corner the oxygen market, and start the rentals.

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#149785

On 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>
>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>> myself, but if I were ...
> 
> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
> actually use it to do something.


For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good.  But it's a strong sector 
for Apple, no question about it.  The MBP despite having an OS I don't 
prefer is a masterpiece.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149790

On 2026-10-24 3:37 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>
>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>>
>>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>
>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
>> actually use it to do something.
> 
> 
> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good.  But it's a strong sector 
> for Apple, no question about it.  The MBP despite having an OS I don't 
> prefer is a masterpiece.

Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just 
like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. With 
every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, speeds up, 
goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast again, etc.. 
With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#149803

On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows 
>>>>> machine?
>>>>
>>>> I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>>
>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you 
>>> can actually use it to do something.
>>
>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good.  But it's a strong 
>> sector for Apple, no question about it.  The MBP despite having an OS 
>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
> 
> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just 
> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. With 
> every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, speeds up, 
> goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast again, etc.. 
> With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.


I get that.  But Windows software is better, to me.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149804

On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
<snip>
>>>>
>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to
>>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you
>>>> can actually use it to do something.
>>>
>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS
>>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>
>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just
>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate.
>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down,
>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast
>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
> 
> 
> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.

Any specific examples?

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#149807

On 10/25/2026 4:29 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just
>>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate.
>>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down,
>>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast
>>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>
>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
> 
> Any specific examples?


It's a general thing, very few macOS-native apps impressed me.  Far and 
away, in fact, MS Office for Mac was the big one that I saw (2010).

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#149808

On Oct 25, 2026 at 2:15 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
11bkhca$3fcf6$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/25/2026 4:29 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes
>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>>
>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>
>> Any specific examples?
> 
> 
> It's a general thing, very few macOS-native apps impressed me. Far and
> away, in fact, MS Office for Mac was the big one that I saw (2010).

MS Office is different on the two -- or was when I last played. For the
most part I prefer the macOS versions. Photoshop, for example, has the
Mac color picker. Makes a big difference for me. Almost all apps have a
saved-status indicator (though that is less important now than it the
past). Most documents have a proxy icon which I often use... and the
ability to see the path to the file easily, and rename and move it
without going to the Finder (Explorer). Lots of other little benefits I
miss when on other systems.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#149915

On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets  
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to
>>>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you
>>>>> can actually use it to do something.
>>>>
>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS
>>>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>
>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just
>>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate.
>>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down,
>>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast
>>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>
>>
>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>
> Any specific examples?

Most obviously usenet clients and access  in Office

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#149920

On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets
> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need
>>>>>> to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that
>>>>>> you can actually use it to do something.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an
>>>>> OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>>
>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes
>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>>
>>>
>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>
>> Any specific examples?
> 
> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office
> 

I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows? What
features do you like in a Usenet client? If you check my headers you
will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a client
I am developing and might someday sell.

I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred FileMaker
Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model was lacking,
but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to work with it
was second to none.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#149921

On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets  
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>:
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets
>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need
>>>>>>> to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that
>>>>>>> you can actually use it to do something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an
>>>>>> OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes
>>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>>
>>> Any specific examples?
>>
>> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office

> I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows?

Opera Mail

> What   features do you like in a Usenet client?

Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing
newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by
keyword of the headers and having headers marked
as read with crossposts once I have read one instance

> If you check my headers you
> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a client
> I am developing and might someday sell.

I donf buy usenet clients

> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred FileMaker
> Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model was lacking,
> but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to work with it
> was second to none.

I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf
programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms
in outlook

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#149927

On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan>:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets
> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>:
>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets
>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>>>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't
>>>>>>>> need to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware
>>>>>>>> means that you can actually use it to do something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having
>>>>>>> an OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows,
>>>>>> goes fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed:
>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>>>
>>>> Any specific examples?
>>>
>>> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office
> 
>> I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows?
> 
> Opera Mail
> 
>> What features do you like in a Usenet client?
> 
> Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing
> newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by
> keyword of the headers and having headers marked
> as read with crossposts once I have read one instance

Thanks.

I currently am stress testing mine -- over 2 million downloaded posts,
with 800K in some groups, and it is MOSTLY fast when going from group to
group. Still chasing some edge cases where it gets slow.

Search is pretty powerful, and you can do things like set keywords to
have a label color on a row. Posts are marked read across groups and
servers when you read in one.
> 
>> If you check my headers you
>> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a
>> client I am developing and might someday sell.
> 
> I donf buy usenet clients

Fair... I do plan on keeping the cost cheap... maybe $9.99. Maybe lower.
Or maybe never sell it. Really don't know. Still in early development
and who knows.
> 
>> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred
>> FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model
>> was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to
>> work with it was second to none.
> 
> I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf
> programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms in
> outlook

I mostly did things like make label makers, grade books, testing
systems, a system to work out incentive pay for Intuit (when I worked
there), an invoicer, a help desk tool to find issues / solutions,
library system for senior centers, and the like. Stuff that was not hard
in terms of data but I wanted to make good front ends.



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#149931

On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 01:04:39 +1100, Brock McNuggets  
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan>:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets
>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets
>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
>>>>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't
>>>>>>>>> need to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware
>>>>>>>>> means that you can actually use it to do something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong
>>>>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having
>>>>>>>> an OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I
>>>>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same
>>>>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows
>>>>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows,
>>>>>>> goes fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed:
>>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any specific examples?
>>>>
>>>> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office
>>
>>> I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows?
>>
>> Opera Mail
>>
>>> What features do you like in a Usenet client?
>>
>> Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing
>> newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by
>> keyword of the headers and having headers marked
>> as read with crossposts once I have read one instance

> Thanks.

> I currently am stress testing mine -- over 2 million downloaded posts,
> with 800K in some groups, and it is MOSTLY fast when going from group to
> group. Still chasing some edge cases where it gets slow.

> Search is pretty powerful, and you can do things like set keywords to
> have a label color on a row. Posts are marked read across groups and
> servers when you read in one.

>>> If you check my headers you
>>> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a
>>> client I am developing and might someday sell.

>> I donf buy usenet clients

> Fair... I do plan on keeping the cost cheap... maybe $9.99. Maybe lower.

That's fine if its a one off cost, never charged again

> Or maybe never sell it. Really don't know. Still in early development
> and who knows.

Lot of work for you given that usenet is imploding so spectacularly now

>>> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred
>>> FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model
>>> was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to
>>> work with it was second to none.

>> I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf
>> programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms in
>> outlook

And given the immense collection of databases, its just not
feasible to move to something else now, too much work

> I mostly did things like make label makers, grade books, testing
> systems, a system to work out incentive pay for Intuit (when I worked
> there), an invoicer, a help desk tool to find issues / solutions,
> library system for senior centers, and the like. Stuff that was not hard
> in terms of data but I wanted to make good front ends.

How have you found the impact of AI ?

Mate of mine who works as a teacher of unemployable adults
with a stupid system of physical booklets that the students
fill out and the staff mark, with him having no programming
experience at all, managed to achieve a lot getting rid of the
booklets but his employer has chosen to stick with the old
manual system, basically so staff doesn't lose their jobs

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#149933

On 29 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xyp7lktbyq249@pvr2.lan>:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 01:04:39 +1100, Brock McNuggets
> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan>:
<snip>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I currently am stress testing mine -- over 2 million downloaded
>> posts, with 800K in some groups, and it is MOSTLY fast when going
>> from group to group. Still chasing some edge cases where it gets
>> slow.
>>
>> Search is pretty powerful, and you can do things like set
>> keywords to have a label color on a row. Posts are marked read
>> across groups and servers when you read in one.
> 
>>>> If you check my headers you
>>>> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS...
>>>> a client I am developing and might someday sell.
> 
>>> I donf buy usenet clients
> 
>> Fair... I do plan on keeping the cost cheap... maybe $9.99. Maybe
>> lower.
>>
> That's fine if its a one off cost, never charged again

That is the plan... a one-time charge that covers the cost forever.
No subscription. And this is if it ever makes it to that level.
Right now in its current state it works fine for my purposes but is
not something I would sell. If I have time and things go well in a
few months I might more seriously look into it.
>>
>> Or maybe never sell it. Really don't know. Still in early
>> development and who knows.
>>
> Lot of work for you given that usenet is imploding so
> spectacularly now

Right. If I made a few dozen sales I would be happy. This is never
going to pay the mortgage.
> 
>>>> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred
>>>> FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data
>>>> model was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs
>>>> for people to work with it was second to none.
> 
>>> I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a
>>> decenf programming language and debugger and to be able to set
>>> alarms in outlook
> 
> And given the immense collection of databases, its just not
> feasible to move to something else now, too much work

Makes complete sense.
>>
>> I mostly did things like make label makers, grade books, testing
>> systems, a system to work out incentive pay for Intuit (when I
>> worked there), an invoicer, a help desk tool to find issues /
>> solutions, library system for senior centers, and the like. Stuff
>> that was not hard in terms of data but I wanted to make good
>> front ends.
>>
> How have you found the impact of AI ?

Without it Loom GS could not exist. I am a self-described "shitty
scripter". There is no way I could do all the SQL work and more, and
even if I could, I could not move 1/10th the speed I am moving now.
Development started less than 3 weeks ago still... and already it is
FOR ME better than Usenapp, which is likely the current best for
macOS. It is faster, has a better search (for local posts, anyway),
has better tagging and more. Not that I have anything against
Usenapp or its developer -- I purchased his product happily and he
fixed some bugs I reported.

I have used AI to also make some macOS and iOS shortcuts which I
could have done on my own but likely would not have. With Usenet, I
have updated my scripts where I can download by MID more easily --
again, work I likely would never have done without AI.

Have been working on stuff for a D&D game of mine -- NONE of this
would exist without AI assistance:

https://rpg-cb1.pages.dev

Already have a number of people who play and enjoy one of the games:

https://rpg-cb1.pages.dev/bar-and-bench

Years ago I had a bot I did code myself, for AOL's AIM service. It
was a silly bot that would "act human" -- good enough in a busy chat
room where it would sometimes not be called out for an hour or two.
I had AI bring it back to life:

https://hordlescope.qc8gwn7dgk.workers.dev

If you play with that one use a fake name or whatever -- anyone who
goes to the chat can see what you enter.

> Mate of mine who works as a teacher of unemployable adults with a
> stupid system of physical booklets that the students fill out and
> the staff mark, with him having no programming experience at all,
> managed to achieve a lot getting rid of the booklets but his
> employer has chosen to stick with the old manual system, basically
> so staff doesn't lose their jobs

I can respect that... but at some point as tools get better you have
to use them if you want to stay competitive.


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#149912

On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 02:17:00 +1100, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>
>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>   I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops  
>> myself, but if I were ...
>>
>
> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to  
> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can  
> actually use it to do something.

I don't constantly fix my software or hardware with my Win11 laptop

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#149926

On 2026-10-29 12:07 a.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 02:17:00 +1100, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>>>>
>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>>>   I pretty much buy your argument.  I'm not in the market for laptops 
>>> myself, but if I were ...
>>>
>>
>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to 
>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can 
>> actually use it to do something.
> 
> I don't constantly fix my software or hardware with my Win11 laptop

I was mostly referring to Linux. Nevertheless, with Windows, there is a 
repeated need to use sfc or dism to fix system files that Windows itself 
corrupts in the system. If you don't, you get freezes, slowdowns and 
random restarts.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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