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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-10-08 23:23 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700 |
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Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:23 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 23:43 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:35 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:09 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 15:58 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 19:23 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 19:37 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 16:47 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 19:58 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 18:33 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 07:48 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 14:24 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 20:35 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 14:21 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 11:25 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 16:22 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 14:32 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 17:09 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:13 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 14:34 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 19:38 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:54 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-08 16:46 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple's OS IS in fact Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-09 00:56 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-09 01:06 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-08 19:28 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 08:25 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-09 14:40 +0200
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 09:09 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> - 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 11:00 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:21 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 17:11 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:36 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:17 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 17:13 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:38 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 22:09 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 15:45 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 09:10 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> - 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 11:02 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 09:11 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 14:32 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 17:13 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 19:14 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 12:48 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 17:14 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:36 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 21:40 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:34 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:24 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 21:23 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:32 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 04:10 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 19:06 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:38 -0400
A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 12:42 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:37 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:34 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 21:42 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:37 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:40 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:55 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:06 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 15:33 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:54 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:19 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 13:49 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 00:47 +0000
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 07:41 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:44 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:57 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 04:23 +0000
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:29 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 07:07 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 07:11 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 07:51 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:54 +0000
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:07 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:25 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:12 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:09 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-10 12:17 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 12:43 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 07:49 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:45 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:29 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:24 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:40 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-10 12:13 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:21 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:36 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:57 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 22:27 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:14 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 17:44 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:16 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 21:32 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 23:03 +0000
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-11 00:18 +0000
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 00:41 +0000
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:38 -0700
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:13 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:34 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 22:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:27 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:10 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:37 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:06 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:40 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 23:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 19:26 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 20:23 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 04:58 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 03:02 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:32 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:59 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:21 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 13:50 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:56 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 07:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6aca2398$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149286 |
On 2026-10-09 10:06 p.m., Alan wrote: > On 2026-10-09 18:36, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >>> mediocrity. >> >> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a >> Linux >> OS. > > I know you won't understand this... > > ...like it won't even penetrate your brain... > > ...but almost NO ONE wants to have to "maintain" anything. If booting a Linux machine required us to turn a crank for two minutes, a lot of Linux advocates would be telling us that it is superior to simply opening the lid and watching the machine turn on on its own. We'd be mocked for being too weak or lazy to do such a thing. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 12:42 -0700 |
| Subject | A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ae4fa$21d3m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149294 |
On 2026-10-10 04:38, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-09 10:06 p.m., Alan wrote: >> On 2026-10-09 18:36, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >>>> mediocrity. >>> >>> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a >>> Linux >>> OS. >> >> I know you won't understand this... >> >> ...like it won't even penetrate your brain... >> >> ...but almost NO ONE wants to have to "maintain" anything. > > If booting a Linux machine required us to turn a crank for two minutes, > a lot of Linux advocates would be telling us that it is superior to > simply opening the lid and watching the machine turn on on its own. We'd > be mocked for being too weak or lazy to do such a thing. > On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen was clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the bottom of the screen. Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for people to learn. But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely HILARIOUS. I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15... ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the "|||" <home> <back> buttons... ...and to bring them back? You swipe up from the bottom! So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you have to use two! Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use BOTH?
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 20:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <6acada5e$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149302 |
On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: > On 2026-10-10 04:38, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-10-09 10:06 p.m., Alan wrote: >>> On 2026-10-09 18:36, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>>>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>>>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >>>>> mediocrity. >>>> >>>> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a >>>> Linux >>>> OS. >>> >>> I know you won't understand this... >>> >>> ...like it won't even penetrate your brain... >>> >>> ...but almost NO ONE wants to have to "maintain" anything. >> >> If booting a Linux machine required us to turn a crank for two >> minutes, a lot of Linux advocates would be telling us that it is >> superior to simply opening the lid and watching the machine turn on on >> its own. We'd be mocked for being too weak or lazy to do such a thing. >> > > On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me > that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen was > clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the bottom of > the screen. > > Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for > people to learn. > > But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely > HILARIOUS. > > I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's Galaxy > A15 5G running Android 15... > > ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the > "|||" <home> <back> buttons... > > ...and to bring them back? > > You swipe up from the bottom! > > So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you > have to use two! > > Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use BOTH? I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am given the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father-in-law's Android device, and using it has already become incredibly unintuitive for me. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 18:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11aep2t$2878j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149317 |
On 2026-10-10 17:37, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >> On 2026-10-10 04:38, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> On 2026-10-09 10:06 p.m., Alan wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-09 18:36, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>>>>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of >>>>>> Linux's >>>>>> mediocrity. >>>>> >>>>> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain >>>>> a Linux >>>>> OS. >>>> >>>> I know you won't understand this... >>>> >>>> ...like it won't even penetrate your brain... >>>> >>>> ...but almost NO ONE wants to have to "maintain" anything. >>> >>> If booting a Linux machine required us to turn a crank for two >>> minutes, a lot of Linux advocates would be telling us that it is >>> superior to simply opening the lid and watching the machine turn on >>> on its own. We'd be mocked for being too weak or lazy to do such a >>> thing. >>> >> >> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me >> that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen was >> clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the bottom of >> the screen. >> >> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for >> people to learn. >> >> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely >> HILARIOUS. >> >> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's Galaxy >> A15 5G running Android 15... >> >> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the >> "|||" <home> <back> buttons... >> >> ...and to bring them back? >> >> You swipe up from the bottom! >> >> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you >> have to use two! >> >> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use >> BOTH? > > I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am given > the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father-in-law's > Android device, and using it has already become incredibly unintuitive > for me. > Same. Honestly, what is this thing where there is both a swipe to the left (bring in content from the right) for some apps... ...AND a swipe up to get to pages of app icons... ...where you THEN swipe left and right?
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 21:42 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <6acae974$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149321 |
On 2026-10-10 9:34 p.m., Alan wrote: > On 2026-10-10 17:37, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >>> On 2026-10-10 04:38, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-09 10:06 p.m., Alan wrote: >>>>> On 2026-10-09 18:36, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>>>>>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of >>>>>>> Linux's >>>>>>> mediocrity. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain >>>>>> a Linux >>>>>> OS. >>>>> >>>>> I know you won't understand this... >>>>> >>>>> ...like it won't even penetrate your brain... >>>>> >>>>> ...but almost NO ONE wants to have to "maintain" anything. >>>> >>>> If booting a Linux machine required us to turn a crank for two >>>> minutes, a lot of Linux advocates would be telling us that it is >>>> superior to simply opening the lid and watching the machine turn on >>>> on its own. We'd be mocked for being too weak or lazy to do such a >>>> thing. >>>> >>> >>> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me >>> that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen >>> was clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the >>> bottom of the screen. >>> >>> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for >>> people to learn. >>> >>> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely >>> HILARIOUS. >>> >>> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's >>> Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15... >>> >>> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the >>> "|||" <home> <back> buttons... >>> >>> ...and to bring them back? >>> >>> You swipe up from the bottom! >>> >>> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you >>> have to use two! >>> >>> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use >>> BOTH? >> >> I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am >> given the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father-in- >> law's Android device, and using it has already become incredibly >> unintuitive for me. >> > > Same. > > Honestly, what is this thing where there is both a swipe to the left > (bring in content from the right) for some apps... > > ...AND a swipe up to get to pages of app icons... > > ...where you THEN swipe left and right? Honestly, I don't even remember. The iOS way of doing things makes so much sense that I can't even recall how it worked in Android. It also depended on which manufacturer's implementation of Android you used because even then, they were different. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 15:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11agogv$2ui8o$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149321 |
On 10/10/2026 9:34 PM, Alan wrote: > On 2026-10-10 17:37, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >>> >>> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me >>> that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen >>> was clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the >>> bottom of the screen. >>> >>> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for >>> people to learn. >>> >>> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely >>> HILARIOUS. >>> >>> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's >>> Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15... >>> >>> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the >>> "|||" <home> <back> buttons... >>> >>> ...and to bring them back? >>> >>> You swipe up from the bottom! >>> >>> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you >>> have to use two! >>> >>> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use >>> BOTH? >> >> I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am >> given the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father-in- >> law's Android device, and using it has already become incredibly >> unintuitive for me. > > Same. > > Honestly, what is this thing where there is both a swipe to the left > (bring in content from the right) for some apps... > > ...AND a swipe up to get to pages of app icons... > > ...where you THEN swipe left and right? Switching apps is such a rapid thing that having to swipe each time is a problem. Samsung and/or Google/Android developers simply target more sensible people than Apple does. This is why, in my theory for how they can compete with MS, they need to broaden perspectives at their headquarters, hire new people, make new products. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 13:40 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ags8e$308sd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149336 |
On 2026-10-11 12:37, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/10/2026 9:34 PM, Alan wrote: >> On 2026-10-10 17:37, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >>>> >>>> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling >>>> me that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the >>>> homescreen was clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons >>>> on the bottom of the screen. >>>> >>>> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for >>>> people to learn. >>>> >>>> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely >>>> HILARIOUS. >>>> >>>> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's >>>> Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15... >>>> >>>> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the >>>> "|||" <home> <back> buttons... >>>> >>>> ...and to bring them back? >>>> >>>> You swipe up from the bottom! >>>> >>>> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you >>>> have to use two! >>>> >>>> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use >>>> BOTH? >>> >>> I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am >>> given the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father- >>> in- law's Android device, and using it has already become incredibly >>> unintuitive for me. >> >> Same. >> >> Honestly, what is this thing where there is both a swipe to the left >> (bring in content from the right) for some apps... >> >> ...AND a swipe up to get to pages of app icons... >> >> ...where you THEN swipe left and right? > > > Switching apps is such a rapid thing that having to swipe each time is a > problem. Samsung and/or Google/Android developers simply target more > sensible people than Apple does. This is why, in my theory for how they > can compete with MS, they need to broaden perspectives at their > headquarters, hire new people, make new products. > How is swiping slower, dimwit? And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose the UI to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER!
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 16:55 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11agt48$30jvd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149337 |
On 10/11/2026 4:40 PM, Alan wrote: > On 2026-10-11 12:37, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 10/10/2026 9:34 PM, Alan wrote: >>> On 2026-10-10 17:37, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling >>>>> me that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the >>>>> homescreen was clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons >>>>> on the bottom of the screen. >>>>> >>>>> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for >>>>> people to learn. >>>>> >>>>> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely >>>>> HILARIOUS. >>>>> >>>>> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's >>>>> Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15... >>>>> >>>>> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the >>>>> "|||" <home> <back> buttons... >>>>> >>>>> ...and to bring them back? >>>>> >>>>> You swipe up from the bottom! >>>>> >>>>> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, >>>>> you have to use two! >>>>> >>>>> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to >>>>> use BOTH? >>>> >>>> I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am >>>> given the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father- >>>> in- law's Android device, and using it has already become incredibly >>>> unintuitive for me. >>> >>> Same. >>> >>> Honestly, what is this thing where there is both a swipe to the left >>> (bring in content from the right) for some apps... >>> >>> ...AND a swipe up to get to pages of app icons... >>> >>> ...where you THEN swipe left and right? >> >> Switching apps is such a rapid thing that having to swipe each time is >> a problem. Samsung and/or Google/Android developers simply target >> more sensible people than Apple does. This is why, in my theory for >> how they can compete with MS, they need to broaden perspectives at >> their headquarters, hire new people, make new products. > > How is swiping slower, dimwit? It's an operation that can be made unnecessary by having touch controls on a touch screen. I'm not a "dimwit" because I don't have an analog Apple-fond brain. > And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose the UI > to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER! It's a coherent interface, I don't find such in the iPhone. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 12:06 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ajb43$3t6q9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149340 |
On 2026-10-11 13:55, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/11/2026 4:40 PM, Alan wrote: >> On 2026-10-11 12:37, Joel W. Crump wrote: >>> On 10/10/2026 9:34 PM, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-10 17:37, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> On 2026-10-10 3:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling >>>>>> me that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the >>>>>> homescreen was clearly inferior to Android "always visible" >>>>>> buttons on the bottom of the screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for >>>>>> people to learn. >>>>>> >>>>>> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely >>>>>> HILARIOUS. >>>>>> >>>>>> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's >>>>>> Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the >>>>>> "|||" <home> <back> buttons... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...and to bring them back? >>>>>> >>>>>> You swipe up from the bottom! >>>>>> >>>>>> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, >>>>>> you have to use two! >>>>>> >>>>>> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to >>>>>> use BOTH? >>>>> >>>>> I like swiping from the bottom, to be honest. Every so often I am >>>>> given the task of fixing something on either my dad's or my father- >>>>> in- law's Android device, and using it has already become >>>>> incredibly unintuitive for me. >>>> >>>> Same. >>>> >>>> Honestly, what is this thing where there is both a swipe to the left >>>> (bring in content from the right) for some apps... >>>> >>>> ...AND a swipe up to get to pages of app icons... >>>> >>>> ...where you THEN swipe left and right? >>> >>> Switching apps is such a rapid thing that having to swipe each time >>> is a problem. Samsung and/or Google/Android developers simply target >>> more sensible people than Apple does. This is why, in my theory for >>> how they can compete with MS, they need to broaden perspectives at >>> their headquarters, hire new people, make new products. >> >> How is swiping slower, dimwit? > > > It's an operation that can be made unnecessary by having touch controls > on a touch screen. I'm not a "dimwit" because I don't have an analog > Apple-fond brain. That didn't answer my question. Touching a control on a touch screen is an operation. Swiping on a touch screen is operation. But swiping can be done without having to aim. > > >> And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose the >> UI to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER! > > > It's a coherent interface, I don't find such in the iPhone. Again: you use an adjective you don't actually have any support for. How is it more "coherent" when sometimes you have the touch icons present, and sometimes you need to swipe to get them to appear? The iOS interface to switch is the same at all times.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 15:33 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ajclu$3tvih$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149376 |
On 10/12/2026 3:06 PM, Alan wrote: >>> How is swiping slower, dimwit? >> >> It's an operation that can be made unnecessary by having touch >> controls on a touch screen. I'm not a "dimwit" because I don't have >> an analog Apple-fond brain. > > That didn't answer my question. > > Touching a control on a touch screen is an operation. > > Swiping on a touch screen is operation. > > But swiping can be done without having to aim. If the app-switch button is available on the bottom of the screen, it is kind of like having a wristwatch to check the time, it's smooth. Samsung comprehends this because they don't just study nerds. >>> And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose the >>> UI to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER! >> >> It's a coherent interface, I don't find such in the iPhone. > Again: you use an adjective you don't actually have any support for. > > How is it more "coherent" when sometimes you have the touch icons > present, and sometimes you need to swipe to get them to appear? > > The iOS interface to switch is the same at all times. Maybe my specific experience doesn't tell me what you're addressing. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 12:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ajdtg$3uf92$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149380 |
On 2026-10-12 12:33, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/12/2026 3:06 PM, Alan wrote: > >>>> How is swiping slower, dimwit? >>> >>> It's an operation that can be made unnecessary by having touch >>> controls on a touch screen. I'm not a "dimwit" because I don't have >>> an analog Apple-fond brain. >> >> That didn't answer my question. >> >> Touching a control on a touch screen is an operation. >> >> Swiping on a touch screen is operation. >> >> But swiping can be done without having to aim. > > > If the app-switch button is available on the bottom of the screen, it is > kind of like having a wristwatch to check the time, it's smooth. Samsung > comprehends this because they don't just study nerds. No. It is NOTHING like having a wristwatch to check the time. Checking the time only involves looking and it REQUIRES looking and then nothing more. Tapping a button requires looking before you begin whereas swiping can be done without looking. And it is indisputable that on some versions of Android, there are times when in order to have the buttons appear at all. > > >>>> And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose the >>>> UI to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER! >>> >>> It's a coherent interface, I don't find such in the iPhone. > >> Again: you use an adjective you don't actually have any support for. >> >> How is it more "coherent" when sometimes you have the touch icons >> present, and sometimes you need to swipe to get them to appear? >> >> The iOS interface to switch is the same at all times. > > > Maybe my specific experience doesn't tell me what you're addressing. When I want to get to the home screen of my phone, the method is always the same: Swipe up from the bottom of the screen. Because the bottom the screen is a tangible (literally something I can TOUCH and FEEL), I don't need to start looking at anything in particular to aim the gesture. Similarly, the gesture that makes the OS go into app switching mode (the "|||" icon on an Android phone) is to swipe up, and then turn the swipe to the right in one simple, always-the-same, gesture. So: Android has icons taking up valuable screen real estate in order to use them OR it has to add the same gesture that works on iOS without ever NEEDING to have icons on the screen. "Coherent" literally means: "logical and consistent" "Logical and consistent" would be using the same gestures/operations to achieve the same outcome every time. iOS wins on that. Android loses.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 16:19 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ajfde$3v24r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149381 |
On 10/12/2026 3:54 PM, Alan wrote: >>>>> How is swiping slower, dimwit? >>>> >>>> It's an operation that can be made unnecessary by having touch >>>> controls on a touch screen. I'm not a "dimwit" because I don't have >>>> an analog Apple-fond brain. >>> >>> That didn't answer my question. >>> >>> Touching a control on a touch screen is an operation. >>> >>> Swiping on a touch screen is operation. >>> >>> But swiping can be done without having to aim. >> >> If the app-switch button is available on the bottom of the screen, it >> is kind of like having a wristwatch to check the time, it's smooth. >> Samsung comprehends this because they don't just study nerds. > > No. It is NOTHING like having a wristwatch to check the time. > > Checking the time only involves looking and it REQUIRES looking and then > nothing more. > > Tapping a button requires looking before you begin whereas swiping can > be done without looking. > > And it is indisputable that on some versions of Android, there are times > when in order to have the buttons appear at all. I'm only referring to Samsung's software, essentially. >>>>> And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose >>>>> the UI to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER! >>>> >>>> It's a coherent interface, I don't find such in the iPhone. >> >>> Again: you use an adjective you don't actually have any support for. >>> >>> How is it more "coherent" when sometimes you have the touch icons >>> present, and sometimes you need to swipe to get them to appear? >>> >>> The iOS interface to switch is the same at all times. >> >> Maybe my specific experience doesn't tell me what you're addressing. > When I want to get to the home screen of my phone, the method is always > the same: > > Swipe up from the bottom of the screen. Because the bottom the screen is > a tangible (literally something I can TOUCH and FEEL), I don't need to > start looking at anything in particular to aim the gesture. > > Similarly, the gesture that makes the OS go into app switching mode (the > "|||" icon on an Android phone) is to swipe up, and then turn the swipe > to the right in one simple, always-the-same, gesture. > > So: > > Android has icons taking up valuable screen real estate in order to use > them OR it has to add the same gesture that works on iOS without ever > NEEDING to have icons on the screen. > > "Coherent" literally means: > > "logical and consistent" > > "Logical and consistent" would be using the same gestures/operations to > achieve the same outcome every time. > > iOS wins on that. > > Android loses. Not in my book. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 13:49 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ajh56$3vor2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149383 |
On 2026-10-12 13:19, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/12/2026 3:54 PM, Alan wrote: > >>>>>> How is swiping slower, dimwit? >>>>> >>>>> It's an operation that can be made unnecessary by having touch >>>>> controls on a touch screen. I'm not a "dimwit" because I don't >>>>> have an analog Apple-fond brain. >>>> >>>> That didn't answer my question. >>>> >>>> Touching a control on a touch screen is an operation. >>>> >>>> Swiping on a touch screen is operation. >>>> >>>> But swiping can be done without having to aim. >>> >>> If the app-switch button is available on the bottom of the screen, it >>> is kind of like having a wristwatch to check the time, it's smooth. >>> Samsung comprehends this because they don't just study nerds. >> >> No. It is NOTHING like having a wristwatch to check the time. >> >> Checking the time only involves looking and it REQUIRES looking and >> then nothing more. >> >> Tapping a button requires looking before you begin whereas swiping can >> be done without looking. >> >> And it is indisputable that on some versions of Android, there are >> times when in order to have the buttons appear at all. > > > I'm only referring to Samsung's software, essentially. Except that I'm referring to a Samsung Galaxy A15 5G running Android 15, One UI Version 7.0 Specifically, when I opened the phone just now to see whatever app is responsible for showing a missed call, the three bottom buttons immediately hid themselves and I need to swipe up from the bottom edge... ...before I can even select one. Two steps and inconsistent behaviour. Oops. > > >>>>>> And given that sometimes Android requires you to swipe to expose >>>>>> the UI to switch apps, it's even STUPIDER! >>>>> >>>>> It's a coherent interface, I don't find such in the iPhone. >>> >>>> Again: you use an adjective you don't actually have any support for. >>>> >>>> How is it more "coherent" when sometimes you have the touch icons >>>> present, and sometimes you need to swipe to get them to appear? >>>> >>>> The iOS interface to switch is the same at all times. >>> >>> Maybe my specific experience doesn't tell me what you're addressing. > >> When I want to get to the home screen of my phone, the method is >> always the same: >> >> Swipe up from the bottom of the screen. Because the bottom the screen >> is a tangible (literally something I can TOUCH and FEEL), I don't need >> to start looking at anything in particular to aim the gesture. >> >> Similarly, the gesture that makes the OS go into app switching mode >> (the "|||" icon on an Android phone) is to swipe up, and then turn the >> swipe to the right in one simple, always-the-same, gesture. >> >> So: >> >> Android has icons taking up valuable screen real estate in order to >> use them OR it has to add the same gesture that works on iOS without >> ever NEEDING to have icons on the screen. >> >> "Coherent" literally means: >> >> "logical and consistent" >> >> "Logical and consistent" would be using the same gestures/operations >> to achieve the same outcome every time. >> >> iOS wins on that. >> >> Android loses. > > > Not in my book. You've addressed absolutely nothing with any reply of substance.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 00:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <nj5dc7Fc9lcU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149383 |
On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 16:19:55 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > I'm only referring to Samsung's software, essentially. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_UI I have a A16 so some of the apps aren't available. I use very few other than Samsung Music to play the mp3s I've loaded. The previous Nokia had Android One. That had very little manufacturer specific apps but all the Google standard ones. FireOS is based on Android but is de-Googled to the extent they can't call it Android.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 07:41 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11afsm6$2ibdl$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149302 |
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
> <snip>
>
> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me
> that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen was
> clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the bottom of
> the screen.
>
> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for
> people to learn.
>
> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely
> HILARIOUS.
>
> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's Galaxy
> A15 5G running Android 15...
>
> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the
> "|||" <home> <back> buttons...
>
> ...and to bring them back?
>
> You swipe up from the bottom!
>
> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you
> have to use two!
>
> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use BOTH?
I once bought an iPhone (for some damn reason). I thought it was
decent, kinda got used to it, except for the Apple silo.
Then I got this Samsumg galaxy, and enjoyed being back in the
Android environment.
Now, when someone hands me an iPhone, I have to dick around with
the screen to figure out how to, say, switch to another app.
I greatly prefer the bottom buttons
--
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--
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Are we not men?
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 13:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11agsfa$30c54$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149329 |
On 2026-10-11 04:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> On a related note, I remember some one—I think it was Joel—telling me
>> that the iOS method of app switching / returning to the homescreen was
>> clearly inferior to Android "always visible" buttons on the bottom of
>> the screen.
>>
>> Ridiculous I know to claim that this was somehow too difficult for
>> people to learn.
>>
>> But what I've recently discovered turns the whole thing completely
>> HILARIOUS.
>>
>> I had occasion recently to retrieve information from a friend's Galaxy
>> A15 5G running Android 15...
>>
>> ...and it turns out that there are apps on the device that hide the
>> "|||" <home> <back> buttons...
>>
>> ...and to bring them back?
>>
>> You swipe up from the bottom!
>>
>> So instead of being able to complete your operation in one step, you
>> have to use two!
>>
>> Argue all you want about which method is superior, but having to use BOTH?
>
> I once bought an iPhone (for some damn reason). I thought it was
> decent, kinda got used to it, except for the Apple silo.
>
> Then I got this Samsumg galaxy, and enjoyed being back in the
> Android environment.
>
> Now, when someone hands me an iPhone, I have to dick around with
> the screen to figure out how to, say, switch to another app.
> I greatly prefer the bottom buttons
>
> --
> ||| | | <
> --
>
Android iOS
Switcher: swipe up then left from bottom of of the screen.
Advantage: no need to aim.
Home button: just swipe straight up.
swipe up a second time if you're not on the first screen of
apps
Back button: what does this button do for you?
Sometimes, it does nothing at all. This requires using up
screen real estate all the time?
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 16:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11agt7n$30jvd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149338 |
On 10/11/2026 4:44 PM, Alan wrote: > Android iOS > > Switcher: swipe up then left from bottom of of the screen. > > Advantage: no need to aim. > > Home button: just swipe straight up. > swipe up a second time if you're not on the first screen of > apps > > Back button: what does this button do for you? > Sometimes, it does nothing at all. This requires using up > screen real estate all the time? Apple developers and users have brain damage. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 04:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <nj35mdF6daqU52@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149341 |
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 16:57:26 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > Apple developers and users have brain damage. My only experience with Apple came after I was gifted an iPod Shuffle. That required my to install iTunes on a Windows machine since merely copying MP3s to a storage device is much too simple for Apple. iTunes is one of the more counterintuitive pieces of shit I've ever encountered.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 00:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <11ahnnh$38r3c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149361 |
On 10/12/2026 12:23 AM, rbowman wrote: >> Apple developers and users have brain damage. > > My only experience with Apple came after I was gifted an iPod Shuffle. > That required my to install iTunes on a Windows machine since merely > copying MP3s to a storage device is much too simple for Apple. > > iTunes is one of the more counterintuitive pieces of shit I've ever > encountered. Yeah, they have to be proprietary, it's really a turnoff, they have a great way to attack MS now, but it would take something I'm not convinced they can muster, based on their history and recent offerings. It's not that they couldn't do it, but that I doubt it'll happen somehow. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 07:07 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix |
| Message-ID | <6accbf68$22$95864$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149361 |
On 2026-10-12 12:23 a.m., rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 16:57:26 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > >> Apple developers and users have brain damage. > > My only experience with Apple came after I was gifted an iPod Shuffle. > That required my to install iTunes on a Windows machine since merely > copying MP3s to a storage device is much too simple for Apple. > > iTunes is one of the more counterintuitive pieces of shit I've ever > encountered. Admittedly, Apple's approach to owning music back then was an absolute nightmare. I recall the difficulty of copying music back to the desktop after you've reinstalled or something. You needed specialized software to do it, because Apple presumably felt that you were pirating music if you were copying your own stuff back to your computer. Nowadays, with people using subscriptions for their music, the problem no longer exists. However, if you're still staying away from such services and want to rip CDs you already own, Apple still makes it needlessly complicated on the PC to transfer over to an iPhone. I haven't tried it on the Mac, but I imagine that it's not much better. They're truly pushing you toward a subscription to Apple Music. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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