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Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 08:15 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-10-23 08:34 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:37 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 11:17 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:14 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 15:37 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:35 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 03:17 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 01:29 -0700
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 05:15 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 02:30 -0700
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:29 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 22:26 -0700
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 17:24 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 07:04 -0700
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 03:17 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 10:45 -0700
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 15:07 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-29 08:01 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 03:07 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-29 14:02 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 07:41 +1100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-29 16:47 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-29 17:22 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:33 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-29 12:12 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:02 +0200
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:03 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-23 23:25 +0000
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:51 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:24 +0200
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-23 21:13 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-24 02:05 +0000
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:23 +0200
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-24 13:48 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:30 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-24 20:27 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:58 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-26 20:29 +0100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-26 15:45 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-26 20:05 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-26 20:14 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:38 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-10-28 15:51 +0100
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-28 15:16 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-28 16:53 -0400
Re: Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-28 17:05 -0400
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 08:15 -0400 |
| Subject | Windows laptops now cost more than similar Macs |
| Message-ID | <6adb4ffb$1$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 08:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bfk9g$1ps2h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149755 |
On 10/23/26 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs>
>
> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine?
>
Wow! Take a Valium!
I'd have listened but he had way too much coffee or something. Didn't want the YouTube
video to run that long maybe.
--
Mint 22.3, Thunderbird 153.4.0esr, Firefox 158.0
Alan K.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 10:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bfrfk$1spfh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149755 |
On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> > > Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops myself, but if I were ... -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6adb7a6c$0$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149757 |
On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >> >> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? > > > I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops > myself, but if I were ... > You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually use it to do something. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 16:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bgflv$251pi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149758 |
On Fri, 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>> >>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? >> >> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops myself, but if I were ... >> > You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to constantly > fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually use it to do something. As a former Apple user (three Apple computer), attraction is zero. Been to that rodeo, got off the horse. Also not in the market for a new computer, as the market now is all about gouging consumers. I'm still waiting for the oxygen rentals to start. Surely someone can corner the oxygen market, and start the rentals. Paul
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 15:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.3xxsp4s2byq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #149773 |
On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 07:22:23 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>>> >>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows >>>> machine? >>> >>> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops >>> myself, but if I were ... >>> >> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to >> constantly >> fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can actually >> use it to do something. > > As a former Apple user (three Apple computer), attraction is zero. > Been to that rodeo, got off the horse. Why did you get off the horse ? I have been considering adding a Mac, mainly for the better integration of the iphone which I do most stuff on apart from usenet, freecell pro and my massive collection of databases in access > Also not in the market for a new computer, as the market now > is all about gouging consumers. I wasn't gouged with my win11 laptop which I basically got because I never watch any TV live anymore, I stream the channels instead and all but one stopped working on Win7 and I can't do ad free with SBS australia > I'm still waiting for the oxygen rentals to start. Surely > someone can corner the oxygen market, and start the rentals.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 15:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bj1dq$30p9f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149758 |
On 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>> >>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? >> >> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops >> myself, but if I were ... > > You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to > constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can > actually use it to do something. For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 20:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6add4ee3$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149785 |
On 2026-10-24 3:37 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/23/2026 11:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>>> >>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? >>> >>> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops >>> myself, but if I were ... >> >> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to >> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can >> actually use it to do something. > > > For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong sector > for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS I don't > prefer is a masterpiece. Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 03:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149790 |
On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>>>> >>>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows >>>>> machine? >>>> >>>> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops >>>> myself, but if I were ... >>> >>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to >>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you >>> can actually use it to do something. >> >> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS >> I don't prefer is a masterpiece. > > Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just > like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. With > every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, speeds up, > goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast again, etc.. > With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 01:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1792916983.9FF61F08@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149803 |
On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: > On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: > <snip> >>>> >>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to >>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you >>>> can actually use it to do something. >>> >>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS >>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece. >> >> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just >> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. >> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, >> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast >> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. > > > I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. Any specific examples? -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 05:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11bkhca$3fcf6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149804 |
On 10/25/2026 4:29 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in > 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just >>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. >>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, >>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast >>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. >> >> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. > > Any specific examples? It's a general thing, very few macOS-native apps impressed me. Far and away, in fact, MS Office for Mac was the big one that I saw (2010). -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 02:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1792920632.8D5751AE@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149807 |
On Oct 25, 2026 at 2:15 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11bkhca$3fcf6$1@dont-email.me: > On 10/25/2026 4:29 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in >> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I >>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same >>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows >>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes >>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. >>> >>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. >> >> Any specific examples? > > > It's a general thing, very few macOS-native apps impressed me. Far and > away, in fact, MS Office for Mac was the big one that I saw (2010). MS Office is different on the two -- or was when I last played. For the most part I prefer the macOS versions. Photoshop, for example, has the Mac color picker. Makes a big difference for me. Almost all apps have a saved-status indicator (though that is less important now than it the past). Most documents have a proxy icon which I often use... and the ability to see the path to the file easily, and rename and move it without going to the Finder (Explorer). Lots of other little benefits I miss when on other systems. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 15:29 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #149804 |
On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in > 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> > <snip> >>>>> >>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to >>>>> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you >>>>> can actually use it to do something. >>>> >>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an OS >>>> I don't prefer is a masterpiece. >>> >>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I just >>> like the fact that the computer always performs at the same rate. >>> With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows down, >>> speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes fast >>> again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. >> >> >> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. > > Any specific examples? Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-28 22:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1793251617.A88F1B64@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149915 |
On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets > <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in >> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >> <snip> >>>>>> >>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need >>>>>> to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that >>>>>> you can actually use it to do something. >>>>> >>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an >>>>> OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece. >>>> >>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I >>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same >>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows >>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes >>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. >>> >>> >>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. >> >> Any specific examples? > > Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office > I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows? What features do you like in a Usenet client? If you check my headers you will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a client I am developing and might someday sell. I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to work with it was second to none. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 17:24 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #149920 |
On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>: >> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets >> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in >>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>> <snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need >>>>>>> to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that >>>>>>> you can actually use it to do something. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having an >>>>>> OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece. >>>>> >>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I >>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same >>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows >>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, goes >>>>> fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: fast. >>>> >>>> >>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. >>> >>> Any specific examples? >> >> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office > I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows? Opera Mail > What features do you like in a Usenet client? Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by keyword of the headers and having headers marked as read with crossposts once I have read one instance > If you check my headers you > will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a client > I am developing and might someday sell. I donf buy usenet clients > I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred FileMaker > Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model was lacking, > but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to work with it > was second to none. I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms in outlook
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 07:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1793282679.F079C87D@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149921 |
On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan>: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets > <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>: >>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets >>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in >>>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >>>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't >>>>>>>> need to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware >>>>>>>> means that you can actually use it to do something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >>>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having >>>>>>> an OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I >>>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same >>>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows >>>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, >>>>>> goes fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: >>>>>> fast. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. >>>> >>>> Any specific examples? >>> >>> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office > >> I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows? > > Opera Mail > >> What features do you like in a Usenet client? > > Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing > newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by > keyword of the headers and having headers marked > as read with crossposts once I have read one instance Thanks. I currently am stress testing mine -- over 2 million downloaded posts, with 800K in some groups, and it is MOSTLY fast when going from group to group. Still chasing some edge cases where it gets slow. Search is pretty powerful, and you can do things like set keywords to have a label color on a row. Posts are marked read across groups and servers when you read in one. > >> If you check my headers you >> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a >> client I am developing and might someday sell. > > I donf buy usenet clients Fair... I do plan on keeping the cost cheap... maybe $9.99. Maybe lower. Or maybe never sell it. Really don't know. Still in early development and who knows. > >> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred >> FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model >> was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to >> work with it was second to none. > > I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf > programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms in > outlook I mostly did things like make label makers, grade books, testing systems, a system to work out incentive pay for Intuit (when I worked there), an invoicer, a help desk tool to find issues / solutions, library system for senior centers, and the like. Stuff that was not hard in terms of data but I wanted to make good front ends. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-30 03:17 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.3xyp7lktbyq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #149927 |
On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 01:04:39 +1100, Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan>: >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 16:26:57 +1100, Brock McNuggets >> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxtfp07byq249@pvr2.lan>: >>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:29:43 +1100, Brock McNuggets >>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Oct 25, 2026 at 12:17 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in >>>>> 11bkaeg$3d3da$1@dont-email.me: >>>>>> On 10/24/2026 8:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't >>>>>>>>> need to constantly fix your computer's software or hardware >>>>>>>>> means that you can actually use it to do something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For me, a WinARM laptop might be just as good. But it's a strong >>>>>>>> sector for Apple, no question about it. The MBP despite having >>>>>>>> an OS I don't prefer is a masterpiece. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once you get used to MacOS, it's hard to consider going back. I >>>>>>> just like the fact that the computer always performs at the same >>>>>>> rate. With every PC I've ever owned, it's fast for a while, slows >>>>>>> down, speeds up, goes back to being fast, freezes, runs slows, >>>>>>> goes fast again, etc.. With the Mac, there is only one speed: >>>>>>> fast. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I get that. But Windows software is better, to me. >>>>> >>>>> Any specific examples? >>>> >>>> Most obviously usenet clients and access in Office >> >>> I am working on that for macOS. LOL! What do you use on Windows? >> >> Opera Mail >> >>> What features do you like in a Usenet client? >> >> Nice fast downloading of the headers when changing >> newsgroup and being able to see just a subset by >> keyword of the headers and having headers marked >> as read with crossposts once I have read one instance > Thanks. > I currently am stress testing mine -- over 2 million downloaded posts, > with 800K in some groups, and it is MOSTLY fast when going from group to > group. Still chasing some edge cases where it gets slow. > Search is pretty powerful, and you can do things like set keywords to > have a label color on a row. Posts are marked read across groups and > servers when you read in one. >>> If you check my headers you >>> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... a >>> client I am developing and might someday sell. >> I donf buy usenet clients > Fair... I do plan on keeping the cost cheap... maybe $9.99. Maybe lower. That's fine if its a one off cost, never charged again > Or maybe never sell it. Really don't know. Still in early development > and who knows. Lot of work for you given that usenet is imploding so spectacularly now >>> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred >>> FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data model >>> was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs for people to >>> work with it was second to none. >> I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a decenf >> programming language and debugger and to be able to set alarms in >> outlook And given the immense collection of databases, its just not feasible to move to something else now, too much work > I mostly did things like make label makers, grade books, testing > systems, a system to work out incentive pay for Intuit (when I worked > there), an invoicer, a help desk tool to find issues / solutions, > library system for senior centers, and the like. Stuff that was not hard > in terms of data but I wanted to make good front ends. How have you found the impact of AI ? Mate of mine who works as a teacher of unemployable adults with a stupid system of physical booklets that the students fill out and the staff mark, with him having no programming experience at all, managed to achieve a lot getting rid of the booklets but his employer has chosen to stick with the old manual system, basically so staff doesn't lose their jobs
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 10:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1793295945.B780D635@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #149931 |
On 29 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xyp7lktbyq249@pvr2.lan>: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 01:04:39 +1100, Brock McNuggets > <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 28 Oct 2026, Rod Speed wrote in <op.3xxyq4wvbyq249@pvr2.lan>: <snip> >> Thanks. >> >> I currently am stress testing mine -- over 2 million downloaded >> posts, with 800K in some groups, and it is MOSTLY fast when going >> from group to group. Still chasing some edge cases where it gets >> slow. >> >> Search is pretty powerful, and you can do things like set >> keywords to have a label color on a row. Posts are marked read >> across groups and servers when you read in one. > >>>> If you check my headers you >>>> will see I am using the utterly unknown, unreleased Loom GS... >>>> a client I am developing and might someday sell. > >>> I donf buy usenet clients > >> Fair... I do plan on keeping the cost cheap... maybe $9.99. Maybe >> lower. >> > That's fine if its a one off cost, never charged again That is the plan... a one-time charge that covers the cost forever. No subscription. And this is if it ever makes it to that level. Right now in its current state it works fine for my purposes but is not something I would sell. If I have time and things go well in a few months I might more seriously look into it. >> >> Or maybe never sell it. Really don't know. Still in early >> development and who knows. >> > Lot of work for you given that usenet is imploding so > spectacularly now Right. If I made a few dozen sales I would be happy. This is never going to pay the mortgage. > >>>> I have used Access, but when I did database work I preferred >>>> FileMaker Pro. It certainly had a lot of areas where it's data >>>> model was lacking, but for ease of use and ease of making UIs >>>> for people to work with it was second to none. > >>> I need a lot of power in database design and form design, a >>> decenf programming language and debugger and to be able to set >>> alarms in outlook > > And given the immense collection of databases, its just not > feasible to move to something else now, too much work Makes complete sense. >> >> I mostly did things like make label makers, grade books, testing >> systems, a system to work out incentive pay for Intuit (when I >> worked there), an invoicer, a help desk tool to find issues / >> solutions, library system for senior centers, and the like. Stuff >> that was not hard in terms of data but I wanted to make good >> front ends. >> > How have you found the impact of AI ? Without it Loom GS could not exist. I am a self-described "shitty scripter". There is no way I could do all the SQL work and more, and even if I could, I could not move 1/10th the speed I am moving now. Development started less than 3 weeks ago still... and already it is FOR ME better than Usenapp, which is likely the current best for macOS. It is faster, has a better search (for local posts, anyway), has better tagging and more. Not that I have anything against Usenapp or its developer -- I purchased his product happily and he fixed some bugs I reported. I have used AI to also make some macOS and iOS shortcuts which I could have done on my own but likely would not have. With Usenet, I have updated my scripts where I can download by MID more easily -- again, work I likely would never have done without AI. Have been working on stuff for a D&D game of mine -- NONE of this would exist without AI assistance: https://rpg-cb1.pages.dev Already have a number of people who play and enjoy one of the games: https://rpg-cb1.pages.dev/bar-and-bench Years ago I had a bot I did code myself, for AOL's AIM service. It was a silly bot that would "act human" -- good enough in a busy chat room where it would sometimes not be called out for an hour or two. I had AI bring it back to life: https://hordlescope.qc8gwn7dgk.workers.dev If you play with that one use a fake name or whatever -- anyone who goes to the chat can see what you enter. > Mate of mine who works as a teacher of unemployable adults with a > stupid system of physical booklets that the students fill out and > the staff mark, with him having no programming experience at all, > managed to achieve a lot getting rid of the booklets but his > employer has chosen to stick with the old manual system, basically > so staff doesn't lose their jobs I can respect that... but at some point as tools get better you have to use them if you want to stay competitive. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 15:07 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.3xxsfkqdbyq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #149758 |
On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 02:17:00 +1100, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>> >>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? >> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops >> myself, but if I were ... >> > > You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to > constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can > actually use it to do something. I don't constantly fix my software or hardware with my Win11 laptop
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 08:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6ae33598$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149912 |
On 2026-10-29 12:07 a.m., Rod Speed wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 02:17:00 +1100, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > >> On 2026-10-23 10:37 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >>> On 10/23/2026 8:15 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FurWKk0h5hs> >>>> >>>> Considering that, why the heck would you bother with a Windows machine? >>> I pretty much buy your argument. I'm not in the market for laptops >>> myself, but if I were ... >>> >> >> You'd be bored with a Mac. The fact that you suddenly don't need to >> constantly fix your computer's software or hardware means that you can >> actually use it to do something. > > I don't constantly fix my software or hardware with my Win11 laptop I was mostly referring to Linux. Nevertheless, with Windows, there is a repeated need to use sfc or dism to fix system files that Windows itself corrupts in the system. If you don't, you get freezes, slowdowns and random restarts. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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