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Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition?

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  Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-15 14:24 -0700
    Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-15 22:55 +0100
      Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy@nospamyahoo.com.au> - 2011-08-16 12:16 +1200
        Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-15 20:35 -0700
      Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-15 20:47 -0700
        Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-16 19:40 +0100
          Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-16 13:49 -0500
          Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? Tazz <dmswaine@gmail.com> - 2011-08-16 16:22 -0300
            Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-16 15:33 -0500
              Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> - 2011-08-21 06:57 -0500
    Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-15 16:21 -0700
      Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-15 20:11 -0700
        Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? AJL <1245nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-15 23:21 -0700
          Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-16 13:39 -0700
            Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-16 16:30 -0500
              Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-16 16:35 -0500
              Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2011-08-16 22:55 +0100
                Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-18 06:40 -0500
              Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "ghelf" <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> - 2011-08-18 19:17 -0700
                Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-19 18:05 -0500
            Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? AJL <1245nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-16 16:47 -0700
              Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-18 06:04 -0500
                Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-18 17:23 -0700
                  Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-19 18:34 -0500
                    Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? AJL <2579843445nomail@none.com> - 2011-08-19 21:26 -0700
                      Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-08-20 11:03 -0500
    Re: Anybody have any success installing software applications to a separate partition? wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat) - 2011-08-16 02:04 +0000

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#569

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:39:01 -0700, "ghelf"
<ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> wrote:

>I'm not sure what the "live Linux CD" is that 
>you are referring to. 

It refers to a Linux OS that is loaded directly into memory from a CD.
It runs completely in memory and doesn't use the hard drive. But it
sees the hard drive and can manipulate the files there including
copying them off to an external device.

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#573

In news:sdvl4754c3vsqk8v9c1ialishfplutbe79@4ax.com,
AJL wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:39:01 -0700, "ghelf"
> <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what the "live Linux CD" is that
>> you are referring to.
>
> It refers to a Linux OS that is loaded directly into memory from a CD.
> It runs completely in memory and doesn't use the hard drive. But it
> sees the hard drive and can manipulate the files there including
> copying them off to an external device.

Actually that isn't true! As I learned this out the hard way. I heard 
that Ubuntu doesn't touch the Windows partition and leaves it alone. But 
I don't know what good is Open Source if nobody bothers to read it?

I did some investigating after Ubuntu Live toasted my Windows XP install 
three times in a roll back in 2008. I had to restore from a backup each 
time. And I believed when everybody was saying Ubuntu Live doesn't touch 
Windows.

But that isn't true at all. As Ubuntu Live looks around on the drive 
looking for a swapfile it can use. On a Windows system, it grabs the 
Windows swapfile for its own use. LINUX SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHING ANYTHING 
IN A WINDOWS PARTITION PERIOD! Bad, bad, Linux!

In my case, I was running Windows on a SSD. Microsoft and anybody worth 
anything will tell you to turn off the Windows swapfile if you have 
enough RAM to run Windows without one. This is to reduce excessive 
writes to the SSD. Windows XP runs fine in this configuration.

Although Ubuntu Live isn't happy without a Windows swapfile. So it 
creates its own in the Windows partition. So in my case, when you boot 
up Windows next time... it loads the Windows Installer and hangs. As 
Windows thinks it is supposed to load something, but doesn't know what?

So yes, Ubuntu Live does touch Windows and *can* render Windows in an 
unusable state. :-(

Thus I always remove the Windows drive first if I want to boot Ubuntu 
Live on a system. That way it can't screw up Windows. And if it is 
Windows you want to repair, don't use Linux! Use something that is safe 
with Windows like BartPE or WinPE instead.

Monica in the alt.sys.pc-clone.dell newsgroup just last week got burned 
by Ubuntu too. As it recently toasted her NTFS and now apparently 
nothing can read it. :-(

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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#577

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:04:08 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:sdvl4754c3vsqk8v9c1ialishfplutbe79@4ax.com,
>AJL wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:39:01 -0700, "ghelf"
>> <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure what the "live Linux CD" is that
>>> you are referring to.
>>
>> It refers to a Linux OS that is loaded directly into memory from a CD.
>> It runs completely in memory and doesn't use the hard drive. But it
>> sees the hard drive and can manipulate the files there including
>> copying them off to an external device.

>Ubuntu Live toasted my Windows XP install 
>three times in a roll back in 2008. 

I guess YMMV applies here. I've used several live Ubuntu CDs of
various release dates on various laptops with nary a problem. 

> And I believed when everybody was saying Ubuntu Live doesn't touch 
>Windows.

If "everybody" says there is no problem but you have a problem what is
the likely conclusion... ;)

>I was running Windows on a SSD. Microsoft and anybody worth 
>anything will tell you to turn off the Windows swapfile if you have 
>enough RAM to run Windows without one.

Ah, well maybe your little EeePC didn't have enough RAM then? I don't
think I've tried a live disk on anything with less than 512M of
memory.

>So yes, Ubuntu Live does touch Windows and *can* render Windows in an 
>unusable state. :-(

Heck, even Windows can render Windows to an unusable state. But a
quick Google search didn't turn up your problem. All I got was
hundreds of hits on how to use the Ubuntu live CD to fix Windows
problems... ;)

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#582

On 8/18/2011 7:23 PM, AJL wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:04:08 -0500, "BillW50"<BillW50@aol.kom>  wrote:
>
>> In news:sdvl4754c3vsqk8v9c1ialishfplutbe79@4ax.com,
>> AJL wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:39:01 -0700, "ghelf"
>>> <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what the "live Linux CD" is that
>>>> you are referring to.
>>>
>>> It refers to a Linux OS that is loaded directly into memory from a CD.
>>> It runs completely in memory and doesn't use the hard drive. But it
>>> sees the hard drive and can manipulate the files there including
>>> copying them off to an external device.
>
>> Ubuntu Live toasted my Windows XP install
>> three times in a roll back in 2008.
>
> I guess YMMV applies here. I've used several live Ubuntu CDs of
> various release dates on various laptops with nary a problem.

Same with me, as I used Linux Live for years without problems and then 
one day, BOOM! It trashed Windows.

>> And I believed when everybody was saying Ubuntu Live doesn't touch
>> Windows.
>
> If "everybody" says there is no problem but you have a problem what is
> the likely conclusion... ;)

No! Ubuntu Live will work like 99% of the time. It is like playing 
Russian Roulette. But why play that game? Use something else that 
doesn't gamble with Windows. Like BartPE or WinPE which doesn't even 
touch the Windows drive unless you want it too.

>> I was running Windows on a SSD. Microsoft and anybody worth
>> anything will tell you to turn off the Windows swapfile if you have
>> enough RAM to run Windows without one.
>
> Ah, well maybe your little EeePC didn't have enough RAM then? I don't
> think I've tried a live disk on anything with less than 512M of
> memory.

Me either. I tried it with 2GB of RAM. I have no idea what happens with 
512MB.

Every time somebody suggests using Linux Live to look and try to do 
something on a Windows drive, I just cringe! Even when somebody 
suggested to Monica to use Ubuntu Live to pull off all of the data 
before formatting the hard drive, I did as well. Although playing the 
Russian Roulette game, it had toasted her Windows file system too.

>> So yes, Ubuntu Live does touch Windows and *can* render Windows in an
>> unusable state. :-(
>
> Heck, even Windows can render Windows to an unusable state. But a
> quick Google search didn't turn up your problem. All I got was
> hundreds of hits on how to use the Ubuntu live CD to fix Windows
> problems... ;)

It had taken me two years to learn the truth. It isn't easy to find. 
Lots of people believe there are no secrets with Open Source. As it is 
there for everybody to see. Unfortunately almost nobody reads the source 
code. So bugs that has been there for years are still there.

-- 
Bill
Alienware M9700 - 1GB - Two Nvidia 7900GS running in SLI mode

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#584

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:34:15 -0500, BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>Ubuntu Live will work like 99% of the time. It is like playing 
>Russian Roulette. But why play that game? Use something else...

Well too late for me cause I have Ubuntu *installed* on this EeePC
netbook and it does have full access to the W7 partition. If live is
dangerous this install must be really really dangerous... 8-O

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#587

On 8/19/2011 11:26 PM, AJL wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:34:15 -0500, BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom>  wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu Live will work like 99% of the time. It is like playing
>> Russian Roulette. But why play that game? Use something else...
>
> Well too late for me cause I have Ubuntu *installed* on this EeePC
> netbook and it does have full access to the W7 partition. If live is
> dangerous this install must be really really dangerous... 8-O

No, Ubuntu installed doesn't use the Windows swapfile. So that is safe. 
It is just Ubuntu Live that you have to be careful of. ;-)

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7

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#549

In article <57GdnftNcJwRE9TTnZ2dnUVZ5jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
ghelf <ghelf@sbcglobalDeathToSpam.net> wrote:
>Some Windows 7 people have said they were able to do this.
>Anybody got ideas on this? 
>

	Try mounting the partition by attaching the device to a directory.
It's accessible under drive management.  Mount to a folder.

	You *might* have to keep copies of certain key executables in
the physical folder to coerce Windows into booting...

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