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Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations

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Am 07.05.20 um 21:39 schrieb Hans-Bernhard Bröker:
> Am 07.05.2020 um 10:16 schrieb Philipp Klaus Krause:
>> Am 06.05.20 um 23:25 schrieb Hans-Bernhard Bröker:
>>> Am 06.05.2020 um 22:36 schrieb Philipp Klaus Krause:
>>>
>>>> Yes, but one benefit of standardization is providing a baseline of
>>>> functionality that C programmers can target.
>>>
>>> And a baseline belongs exactly there: at the base of the building, i.e.
>>> all the way down.  At the bottom.  And there can be only _one_ baseline.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. And I am arguing that this baseline should include most of
>> string.h. 
> 
> Why do you say "yes", and then immediately go on by stating the exact
> opposite of what you just agreed to?
> 
> Anything that's not absolutely necessary doesn't belong in the baseline.
>  Otherwise it's something else, but not the baseline.

I meant yes to having only one baseline. However I argue that the line
should not be drawn at an arbitrary point (why draw it between a large
part of the language and the library, rather than somewhere within the
language or the library?). IMO, the line should be drawn based on what
can be easily implemented on virtually all hardware.

For many embedded users, memcpy() might be more useful and necessary
than long long or float. Also, memcpy() is easier to implement than
support for long long or float. Still the latter are currently mandatory
for freestanding implementations, while the former is not.

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Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-06 18:19 +0200
  Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-06 16:47 +0000
    Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-06 19:16 +0200
      Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-06 18:10 +0000
        Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-05-06 15:10 -0400
          Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-05-06 16:08 -0400
            Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-06 13:22 -0700
              Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-05-06 22:29 -0400
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-07 15:43 +0200
              Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-05-07 06:08 -0700
            Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-06 22:36 +0200
              Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-06 20:57 +0000
              Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-05-06 23:25 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-06 21:34 +0000
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-07 10:17 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2020-05-07 18:45 +0300
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-07 10:16 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-05-07 21:39 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-07 21:44 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-05-07 12:54 -0700
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-05-08 08:38 -0700
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-08 21:30 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-05-30 02:04 -0700
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-08-04 10:58 +0200
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 07:35 -0700
          Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-06 22:34 +0200
            Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations upsidedown@downunder.com - 2020-05-07 09:13 +0300
            Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2020-05-07 18:47 +0300
              Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-05-07 15:51 +0000
                Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2020-05-08 10:09 +0300
    Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2020-05-08 18:48 +0200
      Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.org> - 2020-05-08 17:01 +0000
        Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-08 20:05 +0200
  Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations upsidedown@downunder.com - 2020-05-07 08:59 +0300
  Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-05-07 06:14 -0700
    Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-07 21:38 +0200
      Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-05-08 12:03 -0700
        Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-08 21:15 +0200
        Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-08 21:27 +0200
          Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2020-05-15 15:13 +0200
        Re: Making more of the C standard library mandatory for freestanding implementations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-09 00:25 +0200

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