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  Where is everybody ? Mina <uavyuayve@hotmail.com> - 2021-08-25 07:59 -0700
    Re: Where is everybody ? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2021-08-25 19:31 +0000
      Re: Where is everybody ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-08-26 09:56 +0200
        Re: Where is everybody ? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-08-26 09:10 +0100
          Re: Where is everybody ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-08-26 11:52 +0200
            Re: Where is everybody ? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-08-26 12:07 +0100
              Re: Where is everybody ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-08-26 17:46 +0200
                Re: Where is everybody ? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-08-26 17:06 +0100
                  Re: Where is everybody ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-08-27 08:55 +0200
                    Re: Where is everybody ? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-08-27 08:16 +0100
                      Re: Where is everybody ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-08-27 13:01 +0200
        Re: Where is everybody ? An iM <uavyuayve@hotmail.com> - 2021-08-27 20:50 -0700

#13525 — Where is everybody ?

Please respond..........

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#13529

In article <289623c1-aa1a-4652-8a35-95df46fc7c7bn@googlegroups.com>,
Mina  <uavyuayve@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Please respond..........

This group is very difficult to interact with, mostly
because of the spam from one person.

	- Dan C.

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#13532

On 25/08/2021 21:31, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <289623c1-aa1a-4652-8a35-95df46fc7c7bn@googlegroups.com>,
> Mina  <uavyuayve@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Please respond..........
> 
> This group is very difficult to interact with, mostly
> because of the spam from one person.
> 

Two people.

Amine chased most people out of this group (and other groups) with his
endless "philosophy" junk.  But at least a fraction of the things he
posts are vaguely related to the newsgroup topic, he takes breaks, and
he doesn't change his name or posting details /so/ often.  You don't
need to be much of an amateur psychologist to understand that he has
serious bipolar disorder and probably a number of other related issues -
the guy is clearly not well, and needs help and treatment.
Unfortunately there is nothing any of us can do to help him, and we and
the group suffer the consequences of his problems.

The other guy is some kid from Estonia, that posts all manner of junk.
He is just obnoxious and anti-social - his postings are nothing but
mindless vandalism.  He sits all day in his room in his parents house,
so bored he "entertains" himself by annoying others.  I'm sure he is
smart enough to do something useful with his life, but he's too lazy.
The help he needs is a good kick up the arse, and his computer
confiscated until he gets himself a job.

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#13533

On 26/08/2021 08:56, David Brown wrote:

<snip>

> Unfortunately there is nothing any of us can do to help him, and we and
> the group suffer the consequences of his problems.

It occurs to me that Usenet would have benefited enormously from an 
early introduction of divisions, with annual promotion and relegation.

Unfortunately, given sufficient morons, no open system can last for 
long. Usenet's had a good run.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#13534

On 26/08/2021 10:10, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 26/08/2021 08:56, David Brown wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Unfortunately there is nothing any of us can do to help him, and we and
>> the group suffer the consequences of his problems.
> 
> It occurs to me that Usenet would have benefited enormously from an
> early introduction of divisions, with annual promotion and relegation.
> 
> Unfortunately, given sufficient morons, no open system can last for
> long. Usenet's had a good run.
> 

That's absolutely true.  And human stupidity is one of the two things
that is infinite, so there are /always/ sufficient morons.

At least on Usenet you don't see the kind of evil personal abuse that
some people suffer on social media.  People might make large numbers of
annoying posts, but they don't dig out your home address and threaten
your dog based on which political party you support.  And I've never
seen a Usenet post commenting on someone's physical appearance.

(Though I have been accused on Usenet of being possessed by demons that
speak through me - whether that means I have been the victim of evil
abuse, or the perpetrator, I'm not sure.)

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#13535

On 26/08/2021 10:52, David Brown wrote:
> (Though I have been accused on Usenet of being possessed by demons that
> speak through me - whether that means I have been the victim of evil
> abuse, or the perpetrator, I'm not sure.)

<topper>
I have been accused of being on MI5 payroll.
</topper>

I have actually been threatened with physical harm on Usenet - someone 
threatened to break my nose about 15 years ago, but of course he lacked 
the wit to track me down, let alone the courage to face me. As I wrote 
nearer the time, "My nose, by the way, remains unbroken."

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#13538

On 26/08/2021 13:07, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 26/08/2021 10:52, David Brown wrote:
>> (Though I have been accused on Usenet of being possessed by demons that
>> speak through me - whether that means I have been the victim of evil
>> abuse, or the perpetrator, I'm not sure.)
> 
> <topper>
> I have been accused of being on MI5 payroll.
> </topper>

I am not sure of the relative ranking between MI5 and demon hoards from
hell, but they are probably quite close :-)

> 
> I have actually been threatened with physical harm on Usenet - someone
> threatened to break my nose about 15 years ago, but of course he lacked
> the wit to track me down, let alone the courage to face me. As I wrote
> nearer the time, "My nose, by the way, remains unbroken."
> 

When I think about it, I have seen some ugly threats
(sci.electronics.design has some very unsavoury characters), but they
are not remotely realistic.  Some people on other social media have to
deal with a level of threat that are credible enough to report to the
police.

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#13539

On 26/08/2021 16:46, David Brown wrote:
> On 26/08/2021 13:07, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 26/08/2021 10:52, David Brown wrote:
>>> (Though I have been accused on Usenet of being possessed by demons that
>>> speak through me - whether that means I have been the victim of evil
>>> abuse, or the perpetrator, I'm not sure.)
>>
>> <topper>
>> I have been accused of being on MI5 payroll.
>> </topper>
> 
> I am not sure of the relative ranking between MI5 and demon hoards from
> hell, but they are probably quite close :-)
> 
>>
>> I have actually been threatened with physical harm on Usenet - someone
>> threatened to break my nose about 15 years ago, but of course he lacked
>> the wit to track me down, let alone the courage to face me. As I wrote
>> nearer the time, "My nose, by the way, remains unbroken."
>>
> 
> When I think about it, I have seen some ugly threats
> (sci.electronics.design has some very unsavoury characters), but they
> are not remotely realistic.  Some people on other social media have to
> deal with a level of threat that are credible enough to report to the
> police.

And this is very odd because, while I absolutely and uncategorically 
agree with you, nevertheless there is a considerable level of censorship 
on other social media, so you'd think it would be the other way around.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#13542

On 26/08/2021 18:06, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 26/08/2021 16:46, David Brown wrote:
>> On 26/08/2021 13:07, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 26/08/2021 10:52, David Brown wrote:
>>>> (Though I have been accused on Usenet of being possessed by demons that
>>>> speak through me - whether that means I have been the victim of evil
>>>> abuse, or the perpetrator, I'm not sure.)
>>>
>>> <topper>
>>> I have been accused of being on MI5 payroll.
>>> </topper>
>>
>> I am not sure of the relative ranking between MI5 and demon hoards from
>> hell, but they are probably quite close :-)
>>
>>>
>>> I have actually been threatened with physical harm on Usenet - someone
>>> threatened to break my nose about 15 years ago, but of course he lacked
>>> the wit to track me down, let alone the courage to face me. As I wrote
>>> nearer the time, "My nose, by the way, remains unbroken."
>>>
>>
>> When I think about it, I have seen some ugly threats
>> (sci.electronics.design has some very unsavoury characters), but they
>> are not remotely realistic.  Some people on other social media have to
>> deal with a level of threat that are credible enough to report to the
>> police.
> 
> And this is very odd because, while I absolutely and uncategorically
> agree with you, nevertheless there is a considerable level of censorship
> on other social media, so you'd think it would be the other way around.
> 

There is not remotely enough censorship on social media when it comes to
important things, and far too much for unimportant things.  The main
problem is that social media is designed to make money for social media
companies.  So they allow and encourage the kind of usage that keeps
people on the platform, as that lets them collect more data, show more
ads, etc.  Nothing keeps people more interested than conflicts,
scandals, or conspiracy theories.  Meanwhile, they censor pictures of
breastfeeding "for the good of the children".

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#13543

On 27/08/2021 07:55, David Brown wrote:

<snip>
> 
> There is not remotely enough censorship on social media when it comes to
> important things, and far too much for unimportant things.

I find myself 50% in agreement with you. I wonder if you can guess which 
50%!

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#13544

On 27/08/2021 09:16, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 27/08/2021 07:55, David Brown wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>>
>> There is not remotely enough censorship on social media when it comes to
>> important things, and far too much for unimportant things.
> 
> I find myself 50% in agreement with you. I wonder if you can guess which
> 50%!
> 

That's the joy of censorship - no one will ever agree what what should
be censored!

I read somewhere that one of Trump's close associates had started a new
social media platform that was identical to Twitter, except it was not
going to be censored or limited in any way.  After all, politicians
should obviously be free to undermine democracy and promote chaos
through totally unfounded accusations.  They should be free to incite
rebellion and armed insurrection against elected government.  They
should be free to lie and mislead as much as they want, regardless of
the cost to society and human lives.  Laws are for other people, not
politicians.

Of course within hours of opening, the unfiltered and uncensored
platform was swamped with porn and adverts for prostitutes.  Who could
have guessed?  So the uncensored platform had to start censoring.


You can't have freedom without limitations.  You can't have free speech
without limitations.  You can't give people the freedom to walk down the
street safely without limiting other people's freedom to fire guns, or
drive at any speed.  You can't give people the freedom to live without
insults and prejudice without also limiting people's freedom to insult
and be bigots.

The only questions are where you draw the lines, and who should draw them.

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#13557

David Brown kirjutas neljapäev, 26. august 2021 kl 10:56:04 UTC+3:
> On 25/08/2021 21:31, Dan Cross wrote: 
> > In article <289623c1-aa1a-4652...@googlegroups.com>, 
> > Mina <uavy...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >> Please respond.......... 
> > 
> > This group is very difficult to interact with, mostly 
> > because of the spam from one person. 
> >
> Two people. 
> 
> Amine chased most people out of this group (and other groups) with his 
> endless "philosophy" junk. But at least a fraction of the things he 
> posts are vaguely related to the newsgroup topic, he takes breaks, and 
> he doesn't change his name or posting details /so/ often. You don't 
> need to be much of an amateur psychologist to understand that he has 
> serious bipolar disorder and probably a number of other related issues - 
> the guy is clearly not well, and needs help and treatment. 
> Unfortunately there is nothing any of us can do to help him, and we and 
> the group suffer the consequences of his problems. 
> 
> The other guy is some kid from Estonia, that posts all manner of junk. 
> He is just obnoxious and anti-social - his postings are nothing but 
> mindless vandalism. He sits all day in his room in his parents house, 
> so bored he "entertains" himself by annoying others. I'm sure he is 
> smart enough to do something useful with his life, but he's too lazy. 
> The help he needs is a good kick up the arse, and his computer 
> confiscated until he gets himself a job.

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