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| Started by | Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> |
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| First post | 2013-05-09 20:09 +0100 |
| Last post | 2013-06-25 12:52 +0100 |
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Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-09 20:09 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-09 15:25 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-09 15:24 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-09 21:51 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-09 18:41 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-05-09 15:28 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:48 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-09 20:48 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-09 16:45 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-09 23:50 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 07:41 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:01 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 08:49 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:20 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 16:11 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-10 08:04 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Bill Marcum <bill@nowhere.invalid> - 2013-05-16 07:58 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Bill Marcum <bill@nowhere.invalid> - 2013-05-16 07:56 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 09:32 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-16 16:03 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-05-16 09:27 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 10:53 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 15:30 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 10:52 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 15:30 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 16:14 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-16 17:23 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-09 23:49 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-09 19:35 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 05:30 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-10 14:27 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-09 22:13 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:50 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 17:19 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-15 16:27 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-15 16:34 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 17:46 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-15 18:15 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 19:32 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-05-15 14:52 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-15 21:11 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-15 13:54 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 01:01 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-16 10:52 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 08:25 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-16 18:56 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 20:33 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-16 19:35 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-16 20:43 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-05-19 23:33 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-16 16:16 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 17:44 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-15 13:44 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 20:37 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 13:51 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-14 21:16 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 17:49 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-15 00:02 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-09 15:03 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 14:09 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-05-23 14:38 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 16:33 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-05-23 10:55 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 19:00 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-01 11:43 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-01 11:37 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2013-06-01 21:59 +0530
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-01 19:14 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-01 17:43 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-01 19:33 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-02 02:37 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-06-01 23:05 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-06-02 09:33 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-06-02 07:02 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-02 13:26 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-02 15:47 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-06-02 14:52 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-02 13:32 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-05-23 17:09 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-23 19:06 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-05-24 04:48 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2013-05-09 20:03 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-05-09 20:19 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2013-05-09 20:27 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-05-10 15:30 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2013-05-10 03:05 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-10 14:35 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2013-05-10 16:44 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-10 16:57 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2013-05-11 03:59 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-11 00:27 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-11 12:49 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-11 12:56 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-11 15:20 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-11 14:14 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 10:30 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux OOps Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 10:38 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux OOps Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-05-12 04:37 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-11 13:47 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:58 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 06:53 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 07:26 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 09:18 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 10:20 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 11:40 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 07:44 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:00 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 08:47 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:50 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 18:44 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-21 19:53 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 18:55 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-21 20:05 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-06-21 19:17 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 19:56 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 19:59 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Antti Talsta <atalsta@gmail.com> - 2013-06-21 21:04 +0300
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-21 17:51 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-06-22 01:48 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2013-06-24 16:48 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2013-06-24 16:56 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux DenverD <DenverD@invalid.dk> - 2013-05-10 09:17 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:49 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:48 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-10 11:21 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 18:20 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-05-10 19:54 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-10 14:55 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-11 05:40 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 07:55 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-10 16:07 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 18:29 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux David Hough <noone$$@llondel.org> - 2013-05-10 18:13 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Dirk Weber <dma-weber@globe.lu> - 2013-05-10 19:09 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-14 19:01 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-23 22:55 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-24 00:34 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-23 19:23 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-25 18:50 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-23 22:53 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-25 12:24 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-25 12:28 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-25 23:11 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-23 19:30 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux Ross Maloney <rmatycorp@iinet.net.au> - 2013-06-24 11:07 +0800
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-25 12:52 +0100
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| From | Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-05-10 06:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kmhua2$4gj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8050 |
On Thursday 09 May 2013 21:09, Peter Percival conveyed the following to
comp.os.linux.misc...
> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows
> 7, and I have a broadband internet connection. May I download
> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_
> on an elderly Windows XP computer?
Yes, you can do that, but bear in mind that there are 32-bit
distributions and 64-bit distributions. A 32-bit system will work on a
64-bit machine, but not vice versa. ;-)
That said, a CD is probably not going to cover it all. Most
distributions come as DVD images these days. As other posters have told
you, you must burn the DVD /from/ the image, not put the image on the
disk. Typically your burning software will have an option "burn from
ISO" or "burn as raw data" or something of the likes. That's the option
you need.
> Even if I can't use the same CD on both machines, I would like to try
> it on the notebook.
Well, several distributions come as installable live CD/DVDs, which
means that you can already try out the system without needing to install
anything on your hard disk at all, as the system will run off the CD/DVD
drive. This will of course be rather slow compared to a hard disk
installation, but it should be enough to let you look around and play
with it.
> I know nothing about Linux or computers in general, so recommendations
> of which Linux to download will be gratefully received.
Many here have advised you Ubuntu or Mint - Mint is actually an Ubuntu
derivative - and while both may be "easy" for beginners, the downside of
them is that they also /keep you trapped/ in that beginner stage,
because they obfuscate the full experience.
I would therefore recommend something else, and in my experience,
PCLinuxOS would be a good starting point. It comes as an installable
live CD/DVD - a 64-bit version is available, and although still marked
experimental (by PCLinuxOS), it works rather well. PCLinuxOS is an
offshoot of Mandriva, which is a professional-quality distribution.
Many GNU/Linux distributions these days come in separate versions
depending on the graphical user interface you wish to use - this
includes the Ubuntu and Mint distributions - but this "segregation"
gives newbies the wrong impression of the system, because you can
install multiple graphical user interfaces side by side on the same
GNU/Linux installation and alternate between them, or have one user
account use one GUI and another user account use another GUI. You can
even log in twice on separate virtual consoles - GNU/Linux is a UNIX-
style operating system and is thus a multi-user system - and start
different GUIs in each of them.
The most commonly used GUIs these days are GNOME 3, KDE 4, XFCE, LXDE,
Cinnamon and MATE. The latter two are attempting to continue the look
and feel of GNOME 2. MATE does this by building upon the GTK2 libraries
that GNOME 2 was built against, Cinnamon in turn does it by using the
GTK3 libraries of GNOME 3 and providing in essence a wrapper around
GNOME 3.
Ubuntu's Unity interface is also a wrapper around GNOME 3 but has a
different look and feel to it (with some MacIntosh-inspired aspects),
which not everyone is happy about - it was actually designed for
netbooks and tablets, but Canonical, the organization behind Ubuntu,
then chose to make it the default for /all/ installations. Ubuntu is
either way to be shunned because it now officially contains spyware and
adware, courtesy of Canonical's deal with amazon.com. The
spyware/adware can be removed, but a newbie won't know where to look,
and they shouldn't have to be obligated to do that in the first place.
So stay away from Ubuntu. ;-)
KDE 4 comes with a very Windows-like look and feel "out of the box", but
is highly configurable and customizable, and can be made to look (and
feel) completely different. LXDE and XFCE are also rather Windows-like
in their look and feel.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the equivalent of the Windows
Administrator account is called "root" in UNIX operating systems, but
you should /never/ log in as root to do any normal work. Ubuntu and
derivatives like Mint even prevent you from doing that by "sabotaging"
the root account. You should either way always create a normal,
unprivileged user account for your daily work, and use that one.
UNIX is also not a mono-culture like Microsoft Windows. It's in essence
one big toolbox, and if you're not happy about the look and feel of a
particular tool, then there are always alternatives. So, to give you an
example, there are dozens of web browsers, e-mail clients, Usenet
newsreaders, file managers, CD/DVD burning applications, multimedia
players, et al. And you can install them all - well, most of them
anyway - side by side, and pick the one you like best.
You should also not be worried about viruses or about setting up a
firewall. UNIX systems only listen on ports you explicitly opened (by
having a service listen on them) and will silently drop anything else,
and the mechanisms of propagation of viruses in Windows won't work in
UNIX because the system is organized entirely differently. For
instance, in UNIX, nothing is executable unless it is stored on a
filesystem and given execute permission for the user trying to execute
it. So e-mail attachments and the likes are by definition not
executable.
Yet another thing is that there are no drive letters. In UNIX, there is
only a single, unified and uniform directory hierarchy, and additional
volumes simply get "mounted" onto directories in the tree. Should you
decide to install it on your machine, then you'll need to create at
least two partitions: a root filesystem for the system itself, and a
designated swap partition (which does not have a filesystem on it). It
is however advisable that you would also create a third partition for
the contents of /home. That way, your personal files will be kept
separate from the rest of the system, should you ever need to reinstall
or upgrade, and/or format the root filesystem. If you choose to create
this additional partition during installation, then it will
automatically be mounted on the directory /home when the system boots.
All GNU/Linux systems come with documentation. The graphical user
interfaces run on top of the system as a graphical wrapper the way
Windows 3.x and older used to run on top of DOS, so the underlying
system is all made up of command line utilities, and for most part,
anything you do in the GUI will be using those very command line
utilities in the background.
Each of those utilities has a manual, called a man page, but this is
rather tricky for newbies. There should however be ample documentation
installed in HTML form under /usr/share/doc. Much of that HTML
information may be outdated, but then again it is not actually meant as
a tutorial. There is also lots of (more or less dated) information
available in the form of HowTos and Guides at...
http://www.tldp.org
Another site you may wish to bookmark is...
http://www.linuxnewbies.org
Usenet is also a good place for finding help, but you need a thick skin.
Some regulars will scoff at anyone posting to a GNU/Linux newsgroup from
a Windows newsreader - even though most Windows newsreaders can also be
run in GNU/Linux by way of WINE, a Windows compatibility ABI for UNIX
systems. Certain newsgroups are also ridden with Win-trolls - some of
whom may actually be on Microsoft's payroll - and they will do anything
to reel the newbies in over to their camp. Several newsgroups have
already been ruined by such trolls, including alt.os.linux.ubuntu (and
alt.os.linux.mint isn't far behind, as the same trolls are camping there
as well). So there's another reason why _not_ to use Ubuntu or Mint. :p
In the end, GNU/Linux is all about choice and freedom. One man's
favorite distribution will be scoffed and mocked by another man. You'll
just have to find the distro that works right for you, and there are
/many/ really good ones out there: Mageia, PCLinuxOS, openSUSE, Debian,
Slackware, Arch, et al. But Slack and Arch require you to get your
hands dirty early on in the game, so those are not really newbie-
friendly.
Bottom line, I think you should start with PCLinuxOS. You can always
switch to another distribution later if that's what you want.
Think it through. Not just what I wrote here above, but also what the
other posters said. Let it all sink in. Then pick one and give it a
try. If you don't like it, pick another one. There are plenty to
choose from, and they're not costing you any money. (Hint: I use
rewritable optical media, so I can always recycle any CDs/DVDs I've
burned.)
Welcome to GNU/Linux. Your entire computing experience is about to
change very drastically. And you'll be loving it. :-)
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 07:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kmi3vc$uaj$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8068 |
On 10/05/13 05:53, Aragorn wrote: > On Thursday 09 May 2013 21:09, Peter Percival conveyed the following to > comp.os.linux.misc... > >> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows >> 7, and I have a broadband internet connection. May I download >> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, _and_ >> on an elderly Windows XP computer? > Yes, you can do that, but bear in mind that there are 32-bit > distributions and 64-bit distributions. A 32-bit system will work on a > 64-bit machine, but not vice versa. ;-) > > That said, a CD is probably not going to cover it all. Most > distributions come as DVD images these days. As other posters have told > you, you must burn the DVD /from/ the image, not put the image on the > disk. Typically your burning software will have an option "burn from > ISO" or "burn as raw data" or something of the likes. That's the option > you need. > >> Even if I can't use the same CD on both machines, I would like to try >> it on the notebook. > Well, several distributions come as installable live CD/DVDs, which > means that you can already try out the system without needing to install > anything on your hard disk at all, as the system will run off the CD/DVD > drive. This will of course be rather slow compared to a hard disk > installation, but it should be enough to let you look around and play > with it. > >> I know nothing about Linux or computers in general, so recommendations >> of which Linux to download will be gratefully received. > Many here have advised you Ubuntu or Mint - Mint is actually an Ubuntu > derivative - and while both may be "easy" for beginners, the downside of > them is that they also /keep you trapped/ in that beginner stage, > because they obfuscate the full experience. That is making some very broad assumptions about the OPs motives in trying linux, Aragorn. For some of us a windows like GUI that doesn't crash, isn't infested with spyware malware and downright bloat, is a goal sufficient unto itself. And I've been a unix man for years. What I am trying to say, is that for many windows is not bad, as a way to launch programs and use a desktop computer, if it only wasn't locked in, expensive bug ridden flaky and treated us like idiots. And probably the minimal step that gets the desired result is today, Mint. At that point one has a choice: accept it for what it is, or start to tinker, and I can assure you that you can still get the 'full linux experience' by tinkering with it.. OTOH if you want to play with code and operating systems, why not get a Raspberry PI, and run debian on it? Apart from that, IF your assumptions are true, what you said in the post is of course sound advice. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 09:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kmi6q2$5hj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8069 |
On Friday 10 May 2013 08:26, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the following to comp.os.linux.misc... > On 10/05/13 05:53, Aragorn wrote: > >> On Thursday 09 May 2013 21:09, Peter Percival conveyed the following >> to comp.os.linux.misc... >> >>> I am the proud owner of an Acer Aspire A5-4 notebook running Windows >>> 7, and I have a broadband internet connection. May I download >>> some-Linux-or-other, burn it on to a CD to use on my note book, >>> _and_ on an elderly Windows XP computer? >> >> Yes, you can do that, but bear in mind that there are 32-bit >> distributions and 64-bit distributions. A 32-bit system will work on >> a 64-bit machine, but not vice versa. ;-) >> >> That said, a CD is probably not going to cover it all. Most >> distributions come as DVD images these days. As other posters have >> told you, you must burn the DVD /from/ the image, not put the image >> on the disk. Typically your burning software will have an option >> "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" or something of the likes. >> That's the option you need. >> >>> Even if I can't use the same CD on both machines, I would like to >>> try it on the notebook. >> >> Well, several distributions come as installable live CD/DVDs, which >> means that you can already try out the system without needing to >> install anything on your hard disk at all, as the system will run off >> the CD/DVD drive. This will of course be rather slow compared to a >> hard disk installation, but it should be enough to let you look >> around and play with it. >> >>> I know nothing about Linux or computers in general, so >>> recommendations of which Linux to download will be gratefully >>> received. >> >> Many here have advised you Ubuntu or Mint - Mint is actually an >> Ubuntu derivative - and while both may be "easy" for beginners, the >> downside of them is that they also /keep you trapped/ in that >> beginner stage, because they obfuscate the full experience. > > That is making some very broad assumptions about the OPs motives in > trying linux, Aragorn. No, I'm not making any such assumptions at all. I am however pointing out that the choice of certain distributions to obfuscate the underlying system quite commonly leads to persistent misconceptions among the GNUbies about how the system works, and as such, to those GNUbies looking to solve any and all problems they might encounter by using the same methods as which apply in Microsoft Windows. And _that_ is of course not going to work, because Microsoft Windows and UNIX are two entirely different operating system paradigms. The more two completely different systems appear to have in common at first glance, the greater the confusion and thus, the steeper the learning curve. I believe that it is in the GNUbie's best interest that the system should be user-friendly enough - and thus, Slackware, Arch or Gentoo would be a bridge too far for a GNUbie - while at the same time making it clear from the get-go that GNU/Linux is not Microsoft Windows and was never even intended to mimic or supplant Microsoft Windows on anybody's computer. GNU/Linux is a UNIX-family operating system, and its intent was simply to offer a Free (as in "freedom") alternative to proprietary UNIX. The all-too-often touted "steep learning curve" of GNU/Linux is imaginary. For a person who has never ever sat at a computer screen and keyboard, the learning curve to Microsoft Windows is just as steep as for GNU/Linux, if not steeper, due to very Microsoft-specific terminology and Microsoft-specific logic. GNU/Linux on the other hand is a fully standardized operating system architecture, and any difficulties at adopting it are typically only the result of a subconscious indoctrination/conditioning with The Microsoft Way ™. In other words, someone habituated to Microsoft Windows will have greater difficulty at adapting him-/herself to GNU/Linux than someone who has never ever seen a computer in their life before. > For some of us a windows like GUI that doesn't crash, isn't infested > with spyware malware and downright bloat, is a goal sufficient unto > itself. Yes, but that was not my point. Inevitably, GNUbies run into difficulties, and most of those difficulties are due to their indoctrination with The Microsoft Way ™. As such, any and all attempts to make GNU/Linux appear more like Microsoft Windows will only subliminally feed the misconception that GNU/Linux would be anything like Microsoft Windows, or that the logic behind Microsoft Windows - e.g. how it is configured, how it must be secured, how it must be used, et al - would be the correct logic which applies to all computers in general. > And I've been a unix man for years. > What I am trying to say, is that for many windows is not bad, as a way > to launch programs and use a desktop computer, if it only wasn't > locked in, expensive bug ridden flaky and treated us like idiots. > > And probably the minimal step that gets the desired result is today, > Mint. Mint is making the first step easier, but by doing it, it is also making the second step a lot harder. Compare it to an automotive transmission. If you make first gear shorter, the car will have more torque off the line and will leap forward faster, possibly with a longer tire squeal even. But then when you shift into second gear, there's a gap and the revs drop back too far for the engine to still have enough torque and horsepower to continue leaping forward as fast as it did in first gear. I'm subscribed to alt.os.linux.mint, and I see the level of ignorance and how this ignorance is being catered to by people who are only just slightly less ignorant, as well as by people who are /just/ as ignorant, and in the end, everyone's running in circles and nobody comes down to the point. Even the questions become more and more vague, and you have to start guessing at what exactly the GNUbie is trying to accomplish and in which he or she thus needs assistance from the other newsgroup members. And of course, having certain notorious trolls in that group - such as the attention-starved one with the letter-spaced name, who has already single-handedly managed to destroy alt.os.linux.ubuntu by his promotion of anti-intellectualism and his attacks on people such as myself - isn't helping the learning process of the GNUbie. > At that point one has a choice: accept it for what it is, or start to > tinker, and I can assure you that you can still get the 'full linux > experience' by tinkering with it.. Yes, but the decision to start tinkering is that second gear I spoke of. If you put people off on the wrong foot first by intentionally or unintentionally portraying GNU/Linux as "an alternative version of Microsoft Windows" or even as an intended competitor for Microsoft Windows, then you've already damaged the GNUbie's understanding and ergo, his/her ability to learn. > OTOH if you want to play with code and operating systems, why not get > a Raspberry PI, and run debian on it? Or Gentoo, or Slackware, or Arch, or Source Mage, or LFS. But that's not exactly GNUbie territory, is it? :-) > Apart from that, IF your assumptions are true, what you said in the > post is of course sound advice. Given that I was not making any assumptions but rather pointing out a very real and observable phenomenon, I believe that my advice was sound, yes. :-) -- = Aragorn = GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 10:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kmie4q$jek$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8071 |
On 10/05/13 08:18, Aragorn wrote: > On Friday 10 May 2013 08:26, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the > following to comp.os.linux.misc... > >> Apart from that, IF your assumptions are true, what you said in the >> post is of course sound advice. > Given that I was not making any assumptions but rather pointing out a > very real and observable phenomenon, I believe that my advice was sound, > yes. :-) > No, I still think you are mistaking the groups of people who want to try Linux. For some people they bought Windows, its well known shortcomings piss them off, and they cant afford a mac, so linux presents an alternative, and believe me, that's a big sector and its catered for by Mint - used to be Ubuntu but they have gone 'weird' They are not that interested in how it runs 'under the hood' and they don't know anything about how to fix windows either. OK most of them are going Android, but a lot of laptop and home users that need a keyboard are finding that a simple to install linux with a decent browser, email and word processor suits their needs. And that's why distros like MInt, which select the best options in an integrated package are very handy. The sort of tekgeek who was continuously editing his registry is probably over-represented in usenet groups, but not in the rest of the world -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 11:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kmif31$cfr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8072 |
On Friday 10 May 2013 11:20, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the
following to comp.os.linux.misc...
> On 10/05/13 08:18, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> On Friday 10 May 2013 08:26, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the
>> following to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>
>>> Apart from that, IF your assumptions are true, what you said in the
>>> post is of course sound advice.
>>
>> Given that I was not making any assumptions but rather pointing out a
>> very real and observable phenomenon, I believe that my advice was
>> sound, yes. :-)
>>
> No, I still think you are mistaking the groups of people who want to
> try Linux. For some people they bought Windows, its well known
> shortcomings piss them off, and they cant afford a mac, so linux
> presents an alternative, and believe me, that's a big sector and its
> catered for by Mint - used to be Ubuntu but they have gone 'weird'
>
> They are not that interested in how it runs 'under the hood' and they
> don't know anything about how to fix windows either. OK most of them
> are going Android, but a lot of laptop and home users that need a
> keyboard are finding that a simple to install linux with a decent
> browser, email and word processor suits their needs.
>
> And that's why distros like MInt, which select the best options in an
> integrated package are very handy.
>
> The sort of tekgeek who was continuously editing his registry is
> probably over-represented in usenet groups, but not in the rest of the
> world
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, but I do not believe that
catering to ignorance and misconceptions is going to help the GNUbie -
or the rest of the world, for that matter.
Just look at the nature of the problems being reported in newsgroups
like alt.os.linux.mint. Most of those are simply PEBKAC situations, and
they stem from not stimulating the GNUbie into looking at what they're
doing wrong.
Design your system for idiots, and idiots will be the customers/users
you'll attract. And in the end, idiots will also be the only people in
the world willing to use your system, plus that it only serves to widen
the gap between the dumbed-down masses and the developers who write up
the code. Such an attitude breeds elitism, and if it doesn't, then in
the end we'll be stuck with an operating system written as poorly as
Microsoft Windows, because even the developers will have been dumbed
down.
It's no secret that the newest generation of developers all come from
the Windows world, whereas the previous generations still came from the
UNIX world. And as a result, we're seeing all kinds of Windows'isms
creep into the graphical user interfaces - such as a volume-oriented
approach to storage devices rather than a hierarchy-oriented approach,
and the use of the word "folders" for directories, and automounting of
removable storage devices, etc. It's not a conspiracy (as some would
claim), but simply the result of those newer developers not knowing any
better, since they've had their common sense poisoned by Microsoft
Windows.
I cannot and will not condone the dumbing down of society. I'm not
asking for everyone to become a rocket surgeon [*], but I don't think
that we should be following Microsoft's or Apple's bad examples either.
Because they know all too well why they're obfuscating the technical
details, and it has nothing to do with making things easier for the end-
user. It's got to do with keeping the end-user locked in to their
products.
[*] That's an inside joke from alt.os.linux.ubuntu - courtesy of
Cybe R. Wizard - as a contraction of "rocket scientist" and "brain
surgeon".
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
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| From | Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 07:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <r53v5a-2mt.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #8069 |
On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:26:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: [putolin] > And I've been a unix man for years. I thought you were/are a back door man
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kminhb$6cj$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8075 |
On 10/05/13 12:44, Octothorpe wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:26:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > [putolin] > >> And I've been a unix man for years. > I thought you were/are a back door man I beg your pardon? -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 08:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ds6v5a-bpt.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #8076 |
On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:00:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/05/13 12:44, Octothorpe wrote: >> On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:26:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >> [putolin] >> >>> And I've been a unix man for years. >> I thought you were/are a back door man > I beg your pardon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Door_Man
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-05-10 15:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kmj1fr$rof$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8079 |
On 10/05/13 13:47, Octothorpe wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:00:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 10/05/13 12:44, Octothorpe wrote: >>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:26:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>> [putolin] >>> >>>> And I've been a unix man for years. >>> I thought you were/are a back door man >> I beg your pardon? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Door_Man I know what you mean, but didn't know why you would consider that a suitable epithet...? -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 18:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kq23e4$epc$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8068 |
Aragorn wrote: > [...] As other posters have told > you, you must burn the DVD /from/ the image, not put the image on the > disk. Typically your burning software will have an option "burn from > ISO" or "burn as raw data" or something of the likes. That's the option > you need. Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole lot of other stuff, so not Nero... -- I think I am an Elephant, Behind another Elephant Behind /another/ Elephant who isn't really there.... A.A. Milne
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 19:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kq23li$j3i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
On Friday 21 June 2013 19:44, Peter Percival conveyed the following to
comp.os.linux.misc...
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> [...] As other posters have told you, you must burn the DVD /from/
>> the image, not put the image on the disk. Typically your burning
>> software will have an option "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" or
>> something of the likes. That's the option you need.
>
> Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want
> something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole
> lot of other stuff, so not Nero...
I'm sorry but I don't do Windows [*], and Nero is the only application
of which I know that it's for burning optical media under Windows.
[*] It's not that I refuse to help you because you're asking such a
question in a GNU/Linux newsgroup. I would advise you something
if I had knowledge of such software, but I really don't do Windows.
I'm exclusively running GNU/Linux here.
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
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| From | Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 18:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kq2428$fr7$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8531 |
Aragorn wrote: > On Friday 21 June 2013 19:44, Peter Percival conveyed the following to > comp.os.linux.misc... > >> Aragorn wrote: >> >>> [...] As other posters have told you, you must burn the DVD /from/ >>> the image, not put the image on the disk. Typically your burning >>> software will have an option "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" or >>> something of the likes. That's the option you need. >> >> Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want >> something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole >> lot of other stuff, so not Nero... > > I'm sorry but I don't do Windows [*], and Nero is the only application > of which I know that it's for burning optical media under Windows. > > > [*] It's not that I refuse to help you because you're asking such a > question in a GNU/Linux newsgroup. I would advise you something > if I had knowledge of such software, but I really don't do Windows. > I'm exclusively running GNU/Linux here. I quite understand. Anyway, I'm impressed by the speed of response! -- I think I am an Elephant, Behind another Elephant Behind /another/ Elephant who isn't really there.... A.A. Milne
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 20:05 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kq24b1$mpj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8532 |
On Friday 21 June 2013 19:55, Peter Percival conveyed the following to comp.os.linux.misc... > Aragorn wrote: >> On Friday 21 June 2013 19:44, Peter Percival conveyed the following >> to comp.os.linux.misc... >> >>> Aragorn wrote: >>> >>>> [...] As other posters have told you, you must burn the DVD /from/ >>>> the image, not put the image on the disk. Typically your burning >>>> software will have an option "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" >>>> or something of the likes. That's the option you need. >>> >>> Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want >>> something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole >>> lot of other stuff, so not Nero... >> >> I'm sorry but I don't do Windows [*], and Nero is the only >> application of which I know that it's for burning optical media under >> Windows. >> >> >> [*] It's not that I refuse to help you because you're asking such a >> question in a GNU/Linux newsgroup. I would advise you something >> if I had knowledge of such software, but I really don't do >> Windows. I'm exclusively running GNU/Linux here. > > I quite understand. Anyway, I'm impressed by the speed of response! Well, I had just finished playing a chess game [*] via the Free Internet Chess Server (http://www.freechess.org) and I just pulled up the virtual desktop with my newsreader again, and so I read and replied to the first message I encountered, which was yours. ;-) [*] Yeah, I got checkmated. :p -- = Aragorn = GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 19:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <878v23xr9s.fsf@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> writes: > Aragorn wrote: >> [...] As other posters have told you, you must burn the DVD /from/ >> the image, not put the image on the disk. Typically your burning >> software will have an option "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" or >> something of the likes. That's the option you need. > > Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want > something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole > lot of other stuff, so not Nero... http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/burn-a-cd-or-dvd-from-an-iso-file -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 19:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kq27kd$mu8$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8534 |
Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> writes: >> Aragorn wrote: > >>> [...] As other posters have told you, you must burn the DVD /from/ >>> the image, not put the image on the disk. Typically your burning >>> software will have an option "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" or >>> something of the likes. That's the option you need. >> >> Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want >> something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole >> lot of other stuff, so not Nero... > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/burn-a-cd-or-dvd-from-an-iso-file I tried that: Double left click" Windows doesn't know what to do with this file... Also, the right-click menu does include a burn option. -- I think I am an Elephant, Behind another Elephant Behind /another/ Elephant who isn't really there.... A.A. Milne
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| From | Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 19:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kq27q1$mu8$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #8536 |
Peter Percival wrote: > Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> writes: >>> Aragorn wrote: >> >>>> [...] As other posters have told you, you must burn the DVD /from/ >>>> the image, not put the image on the disk. Typically your burning >>>> software will have an option "burn from ISO" or "burn as raw data" or >>>> something of the likes. That's the option you need. >>> >>> Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want >>> something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole >>> lot of other stuff, so not Nero... >> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/burn-a-cd-or-dvd-from-an-iso-file >> > > I tried that: Double left click" Windows doesn't know what to do with > this file... Also, the right-click menu does include a burn option. Ok fixed, maybe, mutter mutter mutter... -- I think I am an Elephant, Behind another Elephant Behind /another/ Elephant who isn't really there.... A.A. Milne
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| From | Antti Talsta <atalsta@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 21:04 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <s5he9a-ios.ln1@criss.dnsalias.org> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
On 2013-06-21, Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote: > Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want > something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole lot > of other stuff, so not Nero... CDBurnerXP -- Antti Talsta
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-06-21 17:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1306211748010.25419@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013, Peter Percival wrote: > Aragorn wrote: >> [...] As other posters have told >> you, you must burn the DVD /from/ the image, not put the image on the >> disk. Typically your burning software will have an option "burn from >> ISO" or "burn as raw data" or something of the likes. That's the option >> you need. > > Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want something > the installation program of which doesn't install a whole lot of other stuff, > so not Nero... > When I suddenly lost the use of my dial up modem back in January, and suddenly DSL and wifi, it stalled me a bit, I couldn't easily run an ethernet cable to the router, I needed a new release of my favorite distribution to use wifi (well it was time anyway, but also, since I was using an old release, the newer one would be better at doing wifi). I could move the computer to the router, but that's not convenient. So I downloaded a small distribution, Puppy or Poppy on my netbook (which had working wifi) and put that on USB. I booted that, and while I hated it, things missing, it was an easy way to get Linux going on the new computer to download the new release, and burn CDs. That's probably the easiest route, start with Linux to get Linux, though it requries learning some Linux to get going. Michael
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-06-22 01:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20130621215101@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
On 2013-06-21, Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote: > Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want > something the installation program of which doesn't install a whole lot > of other stuff, so not Nero... For dealing with ISOs on Windows system, Imgburn works fine. For general CD/DVD burning, Burnaware Free is decent. Just be sure to "opt out" of any additional software offered and it won't install extraneous junk. (I don't use Windows myself but am stuck with supporting it in the field.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) "Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection... the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated." -- Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-24 16:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51c87879$0$52759$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> wrote: > Aragorn wrote: >> [...] As other posters have told >> you, you must burn the DVD /from/ the image, not put the image on the >> disk. Typically your burning software will have an option "burn from >> ISO" or "burn as raw data" or something of the likes. That's the option >> you need. > > Can you please recommend free burning software for Win 7? I want CDBurnerXP Stan
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