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| From | Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: Wish to try Linux |
| Followup-To | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Date | 2013-05-10 11:40 +0200 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Strider |
| Message-ID | <kmif31$cfr$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Followups directed to: comp.os.linux.misc
On Friday 10 May 2013 11:20, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the
following to comp.os.linux.misc...
> On 10/05/13 08:18, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> On Friday 10 May 2013 08:26, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the
>> following to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>
>>> Apart from that, IF your assumptions are true, what you said in the
>>> post is of course sound advice.
>>
>> Given that I was not making any assumptions but rather pointing out a
>> very real and observable phenomenon, I believe that my advice was
>> sound, yes. :-)
>>
> No, I still think you are mistaking the groups of people who want to
> try Linux. For some people they bought Windows, its well known
> shortcomings piss them off, and they cant afford a mac, so linux
> presents an alternative, and believe me, that's a big sector and its
> catered for by Mint - used to be Ubuntu but they have gone 'weird'
>
> They are not that interested in how it runs 'under the hood' and they
> don't know anything about how to fix windows either. OK most of them
> are going Android, but a lot of laptop and home users that need a
> keyboard are finding that a simple to install linux with a decent
> browser, email and word processor suits their needs.
>
> And that's why distros like MInt, which select the best options in an
> integrated package are very handy.
>
> The sort of tekgeek who was continuously editing his registry is
> probably over-represented in usenet groups, but not in the rest of the
> world
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, but I do not believe that
catering to ignorance and misconceptions is going to help the GNUbie -
or the rest of the world, for that matter.
Just look at the nature of the problems being reported in newsgroups
like alt.os.linux.mint. Most of those are simply PEBKAC situations, and
they stem from not stimulating the GNUbie into looking at what they're
doing wrong.
Design your system for idiots, and idiots will be the customers/users
you'll attract. And in the end, idiots will also be the only people in
the world willing to use your system, plus that it only serves to widen
the gap between the dumbed-down masses and the developers who write up
the code. Such an attitude breeds elitism, and if it doesn't, then in
the end we'll be stuck with an operating system written as poorly as
Microsoft Windows, because even the developers will have been dumbed
down.
It's no secret that the newest generation of developers all come from
the Windows world, whereas the previous generations still came from the
UNIX world. And as a result, we're seeing all kinds of Windows'isms
creep into the graphical user interfaces - such as a volume-oriented
approach to storage devices rather than a hierarchy-oriented approach,
and the use of the word "folders" for directories, and automounting of
removable storage devices, etc. It's not a conspiracy (as some would
claim), but simply the result of those newer developers not knowing any
better, since they've had their common sense poisoned by Microsoft
Windows.
I cannot and will not condone the dumbing down of society. I'm not
asking for everyone to become a rocket surgeon [*], but I don't think
that we should be following Microsoft's or Apple's bad examples either.
Because they know all too well why they're obfuscating the technical
details, and it has nothing to do with making things easier for the end-
user. It's got to do with keeping the end-user locked in to their
products.
[*] That's an inside joke from alt.os.linux.ubuntu - courtesy of
Cybe R. Wizard - as a contraction of "rocket scientist" and "brain
surgeon".
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
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Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-11 00:27 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-11 12:49 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-11 12:56 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-11 15:20 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-05-11 14:14 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 10:30 -0400
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Re: Wish to try Linux OOps Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-05-12 04:37 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-05-11 13:47 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-10 16:58 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 06:53 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 07:26 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-10 09:18 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 10:20 +0100
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Re: Wish to try Linux Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-05-10 07:44 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:00 +0100
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Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 18:44 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-21 19:53 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-21 18:55 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-21 20:05 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-06-21 19:17 +0100
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Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 13:49 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-10 15:48 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-10 11:21 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 18:20 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-05-10 19:54 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-10 14:55 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-05-11 05:40 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2013-05-11 07:55 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-10 16:07 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux lichtblitz <nospam@lichtblitz.invalid> - 2013-05-10 18:29 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-05-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux David Hough <noone$$@llondel.org> - 2013-05-10 18:13 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Dirk Weber <dma-weber@globe.lu> - 2013-05-10 19:09 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-14 19:01 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-23 22:55 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-24 00:34 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-23 19:23 -0500
Re: Wish to try Linux David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-06-25 18:50 +0200
Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-23 22:53 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-25 12:24 +0100
Re: Wish to try Linux Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-25 12:28 -0400
Re: Wish to try Linux bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-25 23:11 +0000
Re: Wish to try Linux John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-23 19:30 -0500
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Re: Wish to try Linux Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-25 12:52 +0100
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