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  Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 04:15 -0400
    Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-14 07:06 -0700
      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:23 +0000
        Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:02 +0100
          Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-15 11:18 +0100
            Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 12:53 +0100
              Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:14 +0200
                Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 14:39 +0100
                Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 01:06 -0400
                  Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 04:55 -0400
                    Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-16 05:17 -0700
                      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:36 +0100
                  Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-10-17 04:27 +0200
                    Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:32 +0000
                      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:46 +0200
                        Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:26 +0000
                          Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:06 +0200
                            Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-18 04:29 -0400
                              Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:17 +0200
                          Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:26 +0100
                    Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-17 01:47 -0400
                      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:30 +0100
                      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:49 +0200
                      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-10-17 21:19 +0200
                    Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:51 +0200
                      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:13 +0100
          Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 20:29 +0000
            Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:11 +0100
      Re: Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 23:49 -0400

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#93663 — Ok, Did Sign Up For Starlink - Let's See

My ATT 5g is pretty BAD. CRAP signal.

So, did sign up, I *think*, for Starlink,
the tier-2 service. Allegedly $85/Month
with superior speed claimed.

We shall SEE what's delivered to my
address.

NO really GREAT place to install ... but
if I cut down ONE shrub at the corner of
the house ... a 2" electric pipe with
some concrete at the bottom, MAY get a
fair signal. Even a HALF signal would
be better than ATT. MIGHT have to
engineer a better mounting scheme, but
I have the skills/stuff. Know a guy
I can hire too, in case I want it all
done in stainless steel.

HOW all this works ... not entirely sure.
THINK they deliver a 'kit' - an antenna
and cable and wifi router.  Amazon offers
'better' antennas and longer cables. We'll
SEE what's needed. WILL have to drill a new
hole in the wall. Bought the concrete bits
six months ago.

Anyway, have more and more 'problems' with ATT.
Only 'help' is from Bangalore alas. The reps
do NOT hear 'english' very well. Already have
a major prob there. Expect two or three DAYS
to resolve that. Hateful. Giant corps really
DON'T care much about their customers.

Don't expect that to change. May get WORSE.

In any case, badly NEED an alt internet service
so I can pay vital bills and such. Do NOT trust
ATT to always be ready.

Starlink sign-up, a bit STRANGE. Not 101% sure
I've got everything I need. DID put it on a CC,
so if needed I CAN block 'em out. USA, far more
protections for CC purchases than via direct
routing-number stuff. GOOD !

Anyway, they PROMISE speeds a bit better than
anything my ATT unit can deliver. True ? Who
knows yet. Will report.

The 2nd-tier plan ... you pay just a bit more
up-front, but then they drop a bunch of fees
for the hardware and such. Supposedly 80+ gb/s.
That's five times my typical ATT data rate.
TWO times, stable, would be WORTH IT.

Anyway, WILL report here. Then you can make
better decisions. The major phone carriers,
NOT always so good. Complex and often SHIT
signal no matter what they promise. If you
have fiber, great, but they're NOT gonna
install it for MY place for a variety of
reasons - and frankly don't want them to
drill holes in my walls, likely to hit
some electric wires. 1950 house - concrete
and real wood and NO good blueprints.

MAY have to build a new house - horrible and
expensive but true. Have a spare lot, but
even clearing a few trees, the govt will
charge HUGE fees. Major rip-off scam !

Now if you default on the property, they'll
give some developer free reign and LOW costs.
Seen that already. SCAM !!! - and this is
a 'red' state !

COULD move to east Texas of course - but
that'd be a Big Deal. Also finding some
place near a good hospital, just in case ...

WANT a 'generous' 2-1/2 by 1/2 up on pilings.
Do NOT need giant tubs full of water fer sure.
WHY do people WANT that ??? Very 19th century.

Using pre-fab concrete sections is the best/
fastest way to go. DO need a rather large
'storage'/garage bit too. Note may NOT be
able to climb, or maybe even walk, for TOO
much longer. Age SUCKS. Gotta arrange a
front entrance where an electric/hydraulic
LIFT can be easily installed. That'll be
interesting. THINK it can be done, discretely.
Maybe a 4x4 base plate that can ride up ... ???

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#93691

On 10/14/2026 01:15, c186282 wrote:
> My ATT 5g is pretty BAD. CRAP signal.
> 
> So, did sign up, I *think*, for Starlink,
> the tier-2 service. Allegedly $85/Month
> with superior speed claimed.
> [...]
> The 2nd-tier plan ... you pay just a bit more
> up-front, but then they drop a bunch of fees
> for the hardware and such. Supposedly 80+ gb/s.
> That's five times my typical ATT data rate.
> TWO times, stable, would be WORTH IT.

Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission 
frame, but not as a sustained data rate.

> Anyway, WILL report here. Then you can make
> better decisions. The major phone carriers,
> NOT always so good. Complex and often SHIT
> signal no matter what they promise. If you
> have fiber, great, but they're NOT gonna
> install it for MY place for a variety of
> reasons - and frankly don't want them to
> drill holes in my walls, likely to hit
> some electric wires. 1950 house - concrete
> and real wood and NO good blueprints.
> 
> MAY have to build a new house - horrible and
> expensive but true. Have a spare lot, but
> even clearing a few trees, the govt will
> charge HUGE fees. Major rip-off scam !
> 
> Now if you default on the property, they'll
> give some developer free reign and LOW costs.
> Seen that already. SCAM !!! - and this is
> a 'red' state !

What kind of a default are you talking about ... you mean if you stop 
paying your property taxes?

As for zoning and permits, I would expect that a new owner would have 
similar rules as you currently have. So are the fees high (for you) or 
are they low (for someone else) ??
> COULD move to east Texas of course - but
> that'd be a Big Deal. Also finding some
> place near a good hospital, just in case ...
> 
> WANT a 'generous' 2-1/2 by 1/2 up on pilings.
> Do NOT need giant tubs full of water fer sure.
> WHY do people WANT that ??? Very 19th century.

2-1/2 by 1/2 OF WHAT? Inches, feet or meters? Dimensions of floor joists 
or thickness of concrete?
> Using pre-fab concrete sections is the best/
> fastest way to go. DO need a rather large
> 'storage'/garage bit too. Note may NOT be
> able to climb, or maybe even walk, for TOO
> much longer. Age SUCKS. Gotta arrange a
> front entrance where an electric/hydraulic
> LIFT can be easily installed. That'll be
> interesting. THINK it can be done, discretely.
> Maybe a 4x4 base plate that can ride up ... ???

Late-night drinking ?
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#93712

On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
> frame,
> but not as a sustained data rate.

I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.

https://www.speedtest.net/

DOWNLOAD Mbps  104.99
UPLOAD Mbps    27.10

Just now. 

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#93734

On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> 
>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>> frame,
>> but not as a sustained data rate.
> 
> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
> 
Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on yiur 
head...

-- 
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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#93741

On 10/15/26 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>
>>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>>> frame,
>>> but not as a sustained data rate.
>>
>> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
>>
> Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on yiur 
> head...
> 
Actually, I think the Starlink issue is about guiding Ukrainian drones 
to hit Russian targets.

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#93742

On 15/10/2026 11:18, Pancho wrote:
> On 10/15/26 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>>>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>>>> frame,
>>>> but not as a sustained data rate.
>>>
>>> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
>>>
>> Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on 
>> yiur head...
>>
> Actually, I think the Starlink issue is about guiding Ukrainian drones 
> to hit Russian targets.
Exactly, The targets being incoming Russian drones.

I don't think starlink operates over Russia any more anyway


-- 
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

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#93745

On 2026-10-15 13:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 15/10/2026 11:18, Pancho wrote:
>> On 10/15/26 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>>>>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>>>>> frame,
>>>>> but not as a sustained data rate.
>>>>
>>>> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
>>>>
>>> Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on 
>>> yiur head...
>>>
>> Actually, I think the Starlink issue is about guiding Ukrainian drones 
>> to hit Russian targets.
> Exactly, The targets being incoming Russian drones.

No, there are two issues.

One, is the missing intelligence on incoming Russian misiles and drones. 
They accuse Trump for this.

Two, is the failure of Starlink for Ukranian drones, which miss the 
connection, have to drop speed while they automatically wait for the 
Starlink to come back, and are easier targets, they are killed easily. 
They blame Elon Musk for this.


> 
> I don't think starlink operates over Russia any more anyway
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93749

On 15/10/2026 14:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-15 13:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 15/10/2026 11:18, Pancho wrote:
>>> On 10/15/26 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>>>>>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>>>>>> frame,
>>>>>> but not as a sustained data rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
>>>>>
>>>> Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on 
>>>> yiur head...
>>>>
>>> Actually, I think the Starlink issue is about guiding Ukrainian 
>>> drones to hit Russian targets.
>> Exactly, The targets being incoming Russian drones.
> 
> No, there are two issues.
> 
> One, is the missing intelligence on incoming Russian misiles and drones. 
> They accuse Trump for this.
> 
They are probably correct

> Two, is the failure of Starlink for Ukranian drones, which miss the 
> connection, have to drop speed while they automatically wait for the 
> Starlink to come back, and are easier targets, they are killed easily. 
> They blame Elon Musk for this.

Not quite. The issues is that over Ukraine, drones used for defense - 
interceptors - which are necessarily fast, can no longer use starlink 
due to high speed nodes having been filtered out

It targets EXPLICITLY interceptors, Defense drones and has the sole 
effect of enabling Russian drones to do more damage to civilians.

It does not affect Ukraine's ability to launch strike drones or 
missiles, as the latest data shows they are still ripping Russian IT, 
logistics and fuel infrastructure to shreds

Taken together the intention is clear., To give Russia a tactical 
advantage in attacking Ukrainian civilian and infrastructure targets

Ultimately there are ways around it, but it appears to be a desperate 
calling in of favours by Putin as his country collapses around him

It has coincided with at least two articles I have seen in two UK media 
sources essentially saying the same thing - how Ukraine is on the point 
of collapse, morale has gone and Russia cannot lose. What a coincidence....

...not.

The war is a death grip now.  Neither side can affird to stop or the 
other will win immediately .

Ukraine is supported economically  by a coalition of European and 
Western nations all giving what they can. Their combined economies 
outvalue Russias by at least 10:1.

And are larger than the USAs

Ukraine and the Western alliance are winning. Even now, on the 
battlefield, with the retaking of huge tracts of the Donbas formerly 
under Russian control.

Anyway, if you search around a bit you can fund out for yourself what is 
going on and put two and two together

But fundamentally Russia cannot outlast the combination of a unified 
west, so promoting disunity is his only hope.

Unfortunately for him, Trump and the USA are not as indispensable as 
they like to think they are.

Today, everyone assumes that Trump will chicken out and will always 
abandon his former allies to lick Putin's arse, and plan accordingly.

Trump said that Europe wasn't puling its weight and the USA wouldn't 
stand by and live up to its treaties and promises.

We assumed that was true, and set about life without the USA . It has 
proved easier than he thought.



-- 
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#93799

On 10/15/26 09:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-15 13:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 15/10/2026 11:18, Pancho wrote:
>>> On 10/15/26 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>>>>>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>>>>>> frame,
>>>>>> but not as a sustained data rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
>>>>>
>>>> Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on 
>>>> yiur head...
>>>>
>>> Actually, I think the Starlink issue is about guiding Ukrainian 
>>> drones to hit Russian targets.
>> Exactly, The targets being incoming Russian drones.
> 
> No, there are two issues.
> 
> One, is the missing intelligence on incoming Russian misiles and drones. 
> They accuse Trump for this.

   Politics 101 - blame ANYONE but yourself !  :-)

   Reality ... missiles and jet drones are HARD to
   see coming and HARD to intercept in time. It's
   a tech gap however, not so much anyone's "fault".
   Israel can do it - but won't sell 'IronDome' to
   anyone else. Hey, that system has been around for
   kind of a LONG time now ... why no knock-offs ???
   Somebody slacked-off ........

> Two, is the failure of Starlink for Ukranian drones, which miss the 
> connection, have to drop speed while they automatically wait for the 
> Starlink to come back, and are easier targets, they are killed easily. 
> They blame Elon Musk for this.

   Note Russia may be messing with the signal.
   All the "Blame Musk/Trump" - smells of
   wartime propaganda.


>> I don't think starlink operates over Russia any more anyway

   Not so much. Not much inside Iran either. The
   uplink signal CAN be detected and some very
   unpleasant people will show up in the dead
   of night ... operative word 'dead'.

   Anyway, GOT my StarLink - big brown box. The
   site says I don't have to activate IF I bought
   directly from StarLink, which I did.

   Charged up and updated my hated iPad tonight.
   Tomorrow will see if it can run the app. If
   not, there may be other work-arounds if I can
   find the default IP address for the router.
   Would rather NOT call the "installer" - no good
   way/place to "install" right now anyway, odd
   topography, will have to MAKE a special mount.
   However, if necessary, the tech can at least
   get it online and I can go on from there at
   my own speed.

   General note - the "big sail" design for the
   antennas SUCKS ! And NO they're not gonna
   drill holes in my roof. First 60+ MPH gust
   and it'll tear a huge chunk out of my roof
   and then fly into the neighbors house !
   Need FOUR CORNER mounts, maybe something you
   can tapcon into a concrete wall.

   Know a guy with a shop who can weld aluminum ...
   custom-design holder frame ?

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#93820

On 10/16/26 01:06, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/15/26 09:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-15 13:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 15/10/2026 11:18, Pancho wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/26 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 14/10/2026 20:23, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:06:45 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something wrong with the numbers here. 80+ GIGABITS? No way!!!
>>>>>>> 80 MEGA bits may be possible, as a linkspeed within a transmission
>>>>>>> frame,
>>>>>>> but not as a sustained data rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the cheapest StarLink residential plan that is 100 Mbps.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know when it slows down to allow Russian missiles to rain on 
>>>>> yiur head...
>>>>>
>>>> Actually, I think the Starlink issue is about guiding Ukrainian 
>>>> drones to hit Russian targets.
>>> Exactly, The targets being incoming Russian drones.
>>
>> No, there are two issues.
>>
>> One, is the missing intelligence on incoming Russian misiles and 
>> drones. They accuse Trump for this.
> 
>    Politics 101 - blame ANYONE but yourself !  :-)
> 
>    Reality ... missiles and jet drones are HARD to
>    see coming and HARD to intercept in time. It's
>    a tech gap however, not so much anyone's "fault".
>    Israel can do it - but won't sell 'IronDome' to
>    anyone else. Hey, that system has been around for
>    kind of a LONG time now ... why no knock-offs ???
>    Somebody slacked-off ........
> 
>> Two, is the failure of Starlink for Ukranian drones, which miss the 
>> connection, have to drop speed while they automatically wait for the 
>> Starlink to come back, and are easier targets, they are killed easily. 
>> They blame Elon Musk for this.
> 
>    Note Russia may be messing with the signal.
>    All the "Blame Musk/Trump" - smells of
>    wartime propaganda.
> 
> 
>>> I don't think starlink operates over Russia any more anyway
> 
>    Not so much. Not much inside Iran either. The
>    uplink signal CAN be detected and some very
>    unpleasant people will show up in the dead
>    of night ... operative word 'dead'.
> 
>    Anyway, GOT my StarLink - big brown box. The
>    site says I don't have to activate IF I bought
>    directly from StarLink, which I did.
> 
>    Charged up and updated my hated iPad tonight.
>    Tomorrow will see if it can run the app. If
>    not, there may be other work-arounds if I can
>    find the default IP address for the router.
>    Would rather NOT call the "installer" - no good
>    way/place to "install" right now anyway, odd
>    topography, will have to MAKE a special mount.
>    However, if necessary, the tech can at least
>    get it online and I can go on from there at
>    my own speed.
> 
>    General note - the "big sail" design for the
>    antennas SUCKS ! And NO they're not gonna
>    drill holes in my roof. First 60+ MPH gust
>    and it'll tear a huge chunk out of my roof
>    and then fly into the neighbors house !
>    Need FOUR CORNER mounts, maybe something you
>    can tapcon into a concrete wall.
> 
>    Know a guy with a shop who can weld aluminum ...
>    custom-design holder frame ?

   Note : DID get the damned thing to WORK ... actually
   using it now.

   Buy direct from StarLink and there's no 'activation'.
   There was no "KIT" number on ANYTHING where they
   suggested - a concern - but apparently this was all
   taken care of.

   It's sitting out on my front step, gonna have to
   rig a proper mount. BEST orientation is ENE for me.
   The thing, frequency, seems to just HATE trees.
   I've got shitload of big trees ......

   Speed - 110 to 190 mbps ... my ATT router is 25mbps
   typically if everything's good. Did full updates
   while I'm connected ... quick !

   My AIM for this thing is more of a BACKUP in case
   my ATT stuff goes to shit (again). Really not likely
   to USE it all that much. But, gotta have a backup ...
   pay credit cards and such.

   But STILL can't seem to get at the actual ROUTER SETTINGS
   shit quite yet, despite downloading what SEEMS to be the
   correct Starlink 'app' on my iPad. The fucking router
   has NO direct access to the settings, HAVE to do them
   through an 'app'. Horrible design ! Was NOT gonna buy
   a $700+ phone just to tweak their router. DID have the
   fucking iPad from a previous misadventure, so ... I'll see.

   HATE iPads/Apple. 101% NOT "intuitive" for ME. Just
   not wired that way - plus the devices seem to be
   designed to frustrate/obfuscate sane adjustments.

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#93858

On 10/16/2026 01:55, c186282 wrote:
> [...] 
>    But STILL can't seem to get at the actual ROUTER SETTINGS
>    shit quite yet, despite downloading what SEEMS to be the
>    correct Starlink 'app' on my iPad. The fucking router
>    has NO direct access to the settings, HAVE to do them
>    through an 'app'. Horrible design ! Was NOT gonna buy
>    a $700+ phone just to tweak their router. DID have the
>    fucking iPad from a previous misadventure, so ... I'll see.
> 
>    HATE iPads/Apple. 101% NOT "intuitive" for ME. Just
>    not wired that way - plus the devices seem to be
>    designed to frustrate/obfuscate sane adjustments.
1) From what you say, this was designed as a consumer device.
    One of the ways to make tech devices "safe" for consumers
    is to not let the customer screw with ïmportant" settings.

    The router device I got from Frontier has no user documentation.
    The help desk tech that you can get to talk to on the phone
    (if you are lucky) can talk you into a command line. It includes
    a WiFi radio, which I can't turn off, and which appears to
    project as separate SSID for other Frontier customers to
    use when they are in the neighborhood. The software/firmware
    in it is custom built for Frontier, and there is no manual
    available from Frontier, from the French manufacturer or
    findable from a web search. But it gives me a static
    IP address on the wired interface, and I take it from there
    to my own edge router.

2) There is no reason to buy a new iPhone. You can get a
    low-to-mid-range Android phone gently used for $150 or less.
    I have one myself as a spare: Motorola Moto Stylus.
    Look on Amazon for a good selection.

3) Small touchscreens have limitations that dictate a user
    interface very different from a computer screen with a
    mouse. No right-click and no keyboard shortcuts with
    multiple mode-shifting keys like control, alt, alt-gr
    etc.

I share a lot of background with you (career-wise, at least) and yet we 
are different enough that I can gain some insights from you that I don't 
get from the people I hang out with in the flesh. I know you - and the 
other "old geeks" here enough to enjoy our chats here, so it hurts me to 
have to say this:

You seem to think that because you used to write code for techies you 
are hot shit and the young folks that work for the consumer tech 
companies should respect you and give you their cheat codes. Forget it, 
you are just an old cranky geezer to them. Live with it.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#93871

On 16/10/2026 13:17, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 10/16/2026 01:55, c186282 wrote:
>> [...]    But STILL can't seem to get at the actual ROUTER SETTINGS
>>    shit quite yet, despite downloading what SEEMS to be the
>>    correct Starlink 'app' on my iPad. The fucking router
>>    has NO direct access to the settings, HAVE to do them
>>    through an 'app'. Horrible design ! Was NOT gonna buy
>>    a $700+ phone just to tweak their router. DID have the
>>    fucking iPad from a previous misadventure, so ... I'll see.
>>
>>    HATE iPads/Apple. 101% NOT "intuitive" for ME. Just
>>    not wired that way - plus the devices seem to be
>>    designed to frustrate/obfuscate sane adjustments.
> 1) From what you say, this was designed as a consumer device.
>     One of the ways to make tech devices "safe" for consumers
>     is to not let the customer screw with ïmportant" settings.
> 
Oh absolutely. Non technical people get a thrill out of working out how 
the thing works. Technical people want to get their thrill out of making 
it work the way they want. Which is why Apple products are the darlings 
of the totally non technical user. They flatter their egos.

>     The router device I got from Frontier has no user documentation.
>     The help desk tech that you can get to talk to on the phone
>     (if you are lucky) can talk you into a command line. It includes
>     a WiFi radio, which I can't turn off, and which appears to
>     project as separate SSID for other Frontier customers to
>     use when they are in the neighborhood. The software/firmware
>     in it is custom built for Frontier, and there is no manual
>     available from Frontier, from the French manufacturer or
>     findable from a web search. But it gives me a static
>     IP address on the wired interface, and I take it from there
>     to my own edge router.
> 
Gordon Bennet. That sounds like the worst of British Telecomm in spades.
Their supplied routers also regularly crashed, the support was simple 
'unplug them from the power, and plug them in again;


> 2) There is no reason to buy a new iPhone. You can get a
>     low-to-mid-range Android phone gently used for $150 or less.
>     I have one myself as a spare: Motorola Moto Stylus.
>     Look on Amazon for a good selection.
> 
Nobody wants old androids at all, You can barely give them way. They 
still work

> 3) Small touchscreens have limitations that dictate a user
>     interface very different from a computer screen with a
>     mouse. No right-click and no keyboard shortcuts with
>     multiple mode-shifting keys like control, alt, alt-gr
>     etc.
> 
One ot the reasions they are utter crap

> I share a lot of background with you (career-wise, at least) and yet we 
> are different enough that I can gain some insights from you that I don't 
> get from the people I hang out with in the flesh. I know you - and the 
> other "old geeks" here enough to enjoy our chats here, so it hurts me to 
> have to say this:
> 
> You seem to think that because you used to write code for techies you 
> are hot shit and the young folks that work for the consumer tech 
> companies should respect you and give you their cheat codes. Forget it, 
> you are just an old cranky geezer to them. Live with it.
> 
Lol. Aren't we all. But then they are a bunch on entitled ignorant 
tossers to us as well.,


-- 
Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that 
doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that 
don't protect,  masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.

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#93956

c186282 <c186...@nnada.net> [c]:
c>  And NO they're not gonna drill holes in my roof

No need to install the antenna up there.  It will work just the same
on the ground, or outside your window.

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#93964

On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 04:27:11 +0200, Fritz Wuehler wrote:

> c186282 <c186...@nnada.net> [c]:
> c>  And NO they're not gonna drill holes in my roof
> 
> No need to install the antenna up there.  It will work just the same on
> the ground, or outside your window.

I have a relatively flat roof so it was convenient. I did drill a hole in 
an exterior wall to run the cable. I'm hoping I can sneak the cable for my 
external LoRa antenna through the same hole before I throw on some duct 
seal.

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#93998

On 2026-10-17 05:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 04:27:11 +0200, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> 
>> c186282 <c186...@nnada.net> [c]:
>> c>  And NO they're not gonna drill holes in my roof
>>
>> No need to install the antenna up there.  It will work just the same on
>> the ground, or outside your window.
> 
> I have a relatively flat roof so it was convenient. I did drill a hole in
> an exterior wall to run the cable. I'm hoping I can sneak the cable for my
> external LoRa antenna through the same hole before I throw on some duct
> seal.

If you install a tube that when getting outside points down, you do not 
need to seal the hole, it is water safe. Not wind safe, though. Then, 
just stick a bit of foam, can be removed to replace the cable 15 years 
forward ;-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#94064

On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 12:46:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> If you install a tube that when getting outside points down, you do not
> need to seal the hole, it is water safe. Not wind safe, though. Then,
> just stick a bit of foam, can be removed to replace the cable 15 years
> forward ;-)

I may be surprised but I don't think I have to worry about maintenance 
tasks in 15 years.

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#94073

On 2026-10-17 21:26, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 12:46:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> If you install a tube that when getting outside points down, you do not
>> need to seal the hole, it is water safe. Not wind safe, though. Then,
>> just stick a bit of foam, can be removed to replace the cable 15 years
>> forward ;-)
> 
> I may be surprised but I don't think I have to worry about maintenance
> tasks in 15 years.

Someone will :-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#94113

On 10/17/26 16:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-17 21:26, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 12:46:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> If you install a tube that when getting outside points down, you do not
>>> need to seal the hole, it is water safe. Not wind safe, though. Then,
>>> just stick a bit of foam, can be removed to replace the cable 15 years
>>> forward ;-)
>>
>> I may be surprised but I don't think I have to worry about maintenance
>> tasks in 15 years.
> 
> Someone will :-)

   Some THING ... maybe.

   Human needs may be, well, "less relevant"
   by then. Just sayin' ..........

   Oh, DID finally get into the starlink router
   settings. Naturally it was kind of BURIED
   in the app menus.

   Had to explicitly set the iPad to use the
   starlink network. Then another full sign-in.
   After that finally found the relevant
   settings.

   New wifi name AND, importantly, a PASSWORD.

   Option to 'split' ... a 2.4 and 5.x network
   using the same password. DID do that.

   NOT really interested in using the thing to
   get to "the rest of my devices" however. But
   it's very easy to log-in to the 5ghz on my
   lap as a special thing (note SL is 192.168.1.x
   while my other is 192.168.0.x so they don't
   interfere. However this sort of thing was why
   I was asking about combining networks about
   a month ago. My ATT router just WON'T alas.
   Can ONLY set the fourth number when I'd NEED
   to be able to set third AND fourth. Seems
   they are all out to FUCK you, lock you in to
   THEIR special exclusive scheme.

   Yea yea could maybe use a third 'master'
   router and some really obscure ways to
   attach the networks. Nope, too old, just
   not gonna get into all that now.

   Anyway, for me now, the PASSWORD was the most
   important thing. First obscured the network
   name so starlink wasn't implied. THEN the
   password. Otherwise the neighbors, ONE is
   suspicious - a working-age guy who NEVER
   seems to go to work - can't download a
   a terabyte of kiddie porn in my name.

   Biggest annoyance ... NO ordinary router
   setup address like most every other router
   in the known universe. HAVE to use an 'app'.
   Fortunately (?) had an iPad/iOS device and
   the app WOULD run on it after some irritation.
   Without the app, apparently you might maybe
   be able to set a FEW things, but not the
   wifi network name fer sure. DON'T want the
   neighbors to see "STARLINK".

   WHY the fuck did Elon MAKE it this way ??????
   Should be MUCH easier !!!

   Revised : sat-alignment, in SE USA the best
   alignment seems to be almost due northeast,
   not east-northeast as I first said. First
   approx was during a rainstorm.

   NOW, gotta build a holder frame that CAN be
   both removed, and rotated as needed. As usual
   the most annoying thing is fitting a square
   peg onto a round mount. Have TIME now however.

   1x1x1/4 aluminum angle, SS 1/4/-20 bolts, hard
   rubber surround/retainer bits. A bit of
   gasket foam. Not hard in theory but WILL require
   several fab stages. Have all winter. FIRST up
   is drilling a second hole in the concrete wall.

   Cooler/drier weather this week ... a good time.
   1/4 hole first, then the 1/2" bit ...... do
   have some 'goop' to seal up the hole after.
   SL uses some kind of 'network cable' - albeit
   with a 'water seal' thingie on the antenna end.
   Ordered long concrete bits over six months
   ago ... kinda anticipating.

   Oh ... parallel thread ... had to replace my old
   ATT copper line with an odd 5G/cell tower thingie.
   "Phone - Advanced" ... really intended for
   businesses, up to 10 physical lines/accts.
   Phone, FAX, whatever.

   The company just was NOT interested in fixing the
   copper anymore - the fucker would work, but not
   RING. Price, a bit lower. Utility ... found a
   place where it kinda-mostly gets ONE bar ... the
   signal is SHIT in my neighborhood.

   Note the thing cannot accept texts.

   Yesterday got an ATT letter ... a 'refund' on
   my copper-wire acct, now theoretically closed.

   It's not a check, but a credit/debt card. You
   have to activate. NO info on how to set a PIN
   code for debit. ALSO, based on ALL the paperwork
   enclosed, IF you use it you are basically
   signing-up for a full MasterCard acct with some
   weird bank. NOPE !!! So, the refund is DEAD and
   likely they COUNT on that. Not TOO much $$$
   fortunately. but DO like to stay a month ahead
   in case of emergencies.

   "AutoPay", maybe someday when I'm more disabled.
   Do NOT like it however. Had some BAD experiences
   back in the day.

   HATE giving routing numbers. USA ... credit cards
   have lots of legal protections, but direct withdrawal
   have NONE. Somebody cleans out yer acct using direct
   and, well, yer SCREWED SCREWED SCREWED. The bank
   will tell you to just suck it.

   Again, likely intentional.

   Hmmmm ... evil future ... how DO you find a good
   reliable 'personal accountant' firm ? Not ONE
   person, too much chance of corruption/theft.
   Have a tax CPA, but NOT sure if they can do
   all the usual expenses. Gonna have to GO
   there, TALK to humans ... don't love that.
   Recently taken-over by a much bigger firm ...
   again kinda BAD. A lot of nice little perks
   kinda went away. Not encouraging .......

   "What a drag it is getting old ..."

   Oh well, have went on too long again ...

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#94168

On 2026-10-18 10:29, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/17/26 16:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-17 21:26, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 12:46:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you install a tube that when getting outside points down, you do not
>>>> need to seal the hole, it is water safe. Not wind safe, though. Then,
>>>> just stick a bit of foam, can be removed to replace the cable 15 years
>>>> forward ;-)
>>>
>>> I may be surprised but I don't think I have to worry about maintenance
>>> tasks in 15 years.
>>
>> Someone will :-)
> 
>    Some THING ... maybe.
> 
>    Human needs may be, well, "less relevant"
>    by then. Just sayin' ..........
> 
>    Oh, DID finally get into the starlink router
>    settings. Naturally it was kind of BURIED
>    in the app menus.
> 
>    Had to explicitly set the iPad to use the
>    starlink network. Then another full sign-in.
>    After that finally found the relevant
>    settings.
> 
>    New wifi name AND, importantly, a PASSWORD.
> 
>    Option to 'split' ... a 2.4 and 5.x network
>    using the same password. DID do that.

WHY?

I have been joining them for years, it works wonderfully.

> 
>    NOT really interested in using the thing to
>    get to "the rest of my devices" however. But
>    it's very easy to log-in to the 5ghz on my
>    lap as a special thing (note SL is 192.168.1.x
>    while my other is 192.168.0.x so they don't
>    interfere. However this sort of thing was why
>    I was asking about combining networks about
>    a month ago. My ATT router just WON'T alas.
>    Can ONLY set the fourth number when I'd NEED
>    to be able to set third AND fourth. Seems
>    they are all out to FUCK you, lock you in to
>    THEIR special exclusive scheme.
> 
>    Yea yea could maybe use a third 'master'
>    router and some really obscure ways to
>    attach the networks. Nope, too old, just
>    not gonna get into all that now.
> 
>    Anyway, for me now, the PASSWORD was the most
>    important thing. First obscured the network
>    name so starlink wasn't implied. THEN the
>    password. Otherwise the neighbors, ONE is
>    suspicious - a working-age guy who NEVER
>    seems to go to work - can't download a
>    a terabyte of kiddie porn in my name.
> 
>    Biggest annoyance ... NO ordinary router
>    setup address like most every other router
>    in the known universe. HAVE to use an 'app'.
>    Fortunately (?) had an iPad/iOS device and
>    the app WOULD run on it after some irritation.
>    Without the app, apparently you might maybe
>    be able to set a FEW things, but not the
>    wifi network name fer sure. DON'T want the
>    neighbors to see "STARLINK".

I'm told many modern routers do this, but I have been lucky so far.


> 
>    WHY the fuck did Elon MAKE it this way ??????
>    Should be MUCH easier !!!
> 
>    Revised : sat-alignment, in SE USA the best
>    alignment seems to be almost due northeast,
>    not east-northeast as I first said. First
>    approx was during a rainstorm.
> 
>    NOW, gotta build a holder frame that CAN be
>    both removed, and rotated as needed. As usual
>    the most annoying thing is fitting a square
>    peg onto a round mount. Have TIME now however.
> 
>    1x1x1/4 aluminum angle, SS 1/4/-20 bolts, hard
>    rubber surround/retainer bits. A bit of
>    gasket foam. Not hard in theory but WILL require
>    several fab stages. Have all winter. FIRST up
>    is drilling a second hole in the concrete wall.
> 
>    Cooler/drier weather this week ... a good time.
>    1/4 hole first, then the 1/2" bit ...... do
>    have some 'goop' to seal up the hole after.
>    SL uses some kind of 'network cable' - albeit
>    with a 'water seal' thingie on the antenna end.
>    Ordered long concrete bits over six months
>    ago ... kinda anticipating.
> 
>    Oh ... parallel thread ... had to replace my old
>    ATT copper line with an odd 5G/cell tower thingie.
>    "Phone - Advanced" ... really intended for
>    businesses, up to 10 physical lines/accts.
>    Phone, FAX, whatever.
> 
>    The company just was NOT interested in fixing the
>    copper anymore - the fucker would work, but not
>    RING. Price, a bit lower. Utility ... found a
>    place where it kinda-mostly gets ONE bar ... the
>    signal is SHIT in my neighborhood.
> 
>    Note the thing cannot accept texts.

Land line emulation. And prices.

> 
>    Yesterday got an ATT letter ... a 'refund' on
>    my copper-wire acct, now theoretically closed.
> 
>    It's not a check, but a credit/debt card. You
>    have to activate. NO info on how to set a PIN
>    code for debit. ALSO, based on ALL the paperwork
>    enclosed, IF you use it you are basically
>    signing-up for a full MasterCard acct with some
>    weird bank. NOPE !!! So, the refund is DEAD and
>    likely they COUNT on that. Not TOO much $$$
>    fortunately. but DO like to stay a month ahead
>    in case of emergencies.


Amazing customer care. Never heard of such a thing.
> 
>    "AutoPay", maybe someday when I'm more disabled.
>    Do NOT like it however. Had some BAD experiences
>    back in the day.
> 
>    HATE giving routing numbers. USA ... credit cards
>    have lots of legal protections, but direct withdrawal
>    have NONE. Somebody cleans out yer acct using direct
>    and, well, yer SCREWED SCREWED SCREWED. The bank
>    will tell you to just suck it.

Use a second account with limited resources.

> 
>    Again, likely intentional.
> 
>    Hmmmm ... evil future ... how DO you find a good
>    reliable 'personal accountant' firm ? Not ONE
>    person, too much chance of corruption/theft.
>    Have a tax CPA, but NOT sure if they can do
>    all the usual expenses. Gonna have to GO
>    there, TALK to humans ... don't love that.
>    Recently taken-over by a much bigger firm ...
>    again kinda BAD. A lot of nice little perks
>    kinda went away. Not encouraging .......
> 
>    "What a drag it is getting old ..."
> 
>    Oh well, have went on too long again ...
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#94133

On 17/10/2026 20:26, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 12:46:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> If you install a tube that when getting outside points down, you do not
>> need to seal the hole, it is water safe. Not wind safe, though. Then,
>> just stick a bit of foam, can be removed to replace the cable 15 years
>> forward ;-)
> 
> I may be surprised but I don't think I have to worry about maintenance
> tasks in 15 years.

LOL.

Id give 2:1 against it in my case

-- 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to 
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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