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| First post | 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400 |
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Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:06 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 14:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:26 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 01:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 10:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:37 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-04 12:04 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:12 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-04 15:22 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:38 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 20:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-04 22:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-05 09:51 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 02:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 09:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:55 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-08 12:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 09:02 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 17:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:45 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 14:02 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:17 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 00:55 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:35 -0400
Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 14:54 -0400
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:15 +0000
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:13 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 14:29 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:37 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:07 +0000
inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:45 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 00:57 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 15:28 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 23:46 +0100
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:42 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:13 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:53 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:49 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:51 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-09 09:00 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:24 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:52 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:56 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:50 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-05 20:25 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:35 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:08 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 12:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:07 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:35 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 00:28 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-28 21:08 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 05:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 16:32 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 18:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:30 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 10:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:33 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-09-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:31 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-29 08:18 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:19 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:22 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-28 18:07 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:18 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:53 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-02 18:28 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2025-10-02 21:44 +0300
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 00:10 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:21 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-04 12:55 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 16:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:38 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:04 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:07 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:44 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:06 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:10 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:09 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:08 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 23:30 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-07 15:16 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 02:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:58 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:06 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:14 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:10 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:54 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:57 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:49 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-09 12:50 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:11 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:37 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-10 11:19 +0200
Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:51 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:35 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 14:48 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-10 06:51 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 13:18 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-09 03:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-10 02:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 23:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:16 +0000
Faraday cages (was: Re: Floppies - Actual Question) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 17:02 +0100
Re: Faraday cages Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:48 +0000
Re: Faraday cages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:47 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 05:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:42 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:59 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-26 01:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 13:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:22 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-29 23:03 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-26 15:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:23 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-24 08:41 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 12:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:34 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:11 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2025-09-28 01:00 -0700
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 00:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10b9vks$222t4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75321 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 9/27/25 11:21, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> Le 24-09-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit : >>> On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 05:06:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> BUT - no partition table on the disk >>>> >>>> I haven't tried to access MS-DOS floppies from a *n*x >>>> system for a long time. >>> >>> Also, floppies don’t do partitions. >> >> Two things. First I never heard bout that. But most importantly, I >> never considered that possibility as long as I used floppies. I was >> always wondering how I could use as few floppies as possible to put >> my files. I was always on the way to partition my files to manage >> to put hem on floppies. Never on the way to partition floppies. >> >> At the time I used floppies, if anyone asked me how to partition >> them I would have wondered. Why on earth would someone want to do >> that? There are many floppies, they can't store anything relatively >> big and they take ages to format. To take time to partition them >> and to format each partition just to have less space available is a >> wonder to me. If you want a technical chalenge, why not, but in >> real life: what for? > > Well, partitions can be used for "organization" > purposes, which can be useful. Partitions were only loosely for 'organization' in the MS-DOS days. Their primary purpose was to work around MS-DOS and early windows (which was a shell above MS-DOS) disk size limits. Hard drives grew in size faster than MS-DOS was updated to handle the larger sizes. > Remember too that floppies held rather a LOT of data - by the needs > and standards of the time. While you can partition them, I very much doubt doing so in the MS-DOS days would have worked. DOS would have been very unlikely to have assigned drive letters to floppy partitions. More likely, it would have either refused to access the floppy, or just merrilly overwrote the floppy as if it were never partitioned.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 11:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10bb23q$29c4m$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75336 |
On 2025-09-28, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 9/27/25 11:21, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>> Le 24-09-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit : >>>> On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 05:06:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>>> BUT - no partition table on the disk >>>>> >>>>> I haven't tried to access MS-DOS floppies from a *n*x >>>>> system for a long time. >>>> >>>> Also, floppies don’t do partitions. >>> >>> Two things. First I never heard bout that. But most importantly, I >>> never considered that possibility as long as I used floppies. I was >>> always wondering how I could use as few floppies as possible to put >>> my files. I was always on the way to partition my files to manage >>> to put hem on floppies. Never on the way to partition floppies. >>> >>> At the time I used floppies, if anyone asked me how to partition >>> them I would have wondered. Why on earth would someone want to do >>> that? There are many floppies, they can't store anything relatively >>> big and they take ages to format. To take time to partition them >>> and to format each partition just to have less space available is a >>> wonder to me. If you want a technical chalenge, why not, but in >>> real life: what for? >> >> Well, partitions can be used for "organization" >> purposes, which can be useful. > > Partitions were only loosely for 'organization' in the MS-DOS days. > Their primary purpose was to work around MS-DOS and early windows > (which was a shell above MS-DOS) disk size limits. Hard drives grew in > size faster than MS-DOS was updated to handle the larger sizes. Just MS-DOS limitations? Or from the firmware (as in "PC BIOS") too? >> Remember too that floppies held rather a LOT of data - by the needs >> and standards of the time. > > While you can partition them, I very much doubt doing so in the MS-DOS > days would have worked. DOS would have been very unlikely to have > assigned drive letters to floppy partitions. More likely, it would > have either refused to access the floppy, or just merrilly overwrote > the floppy as if it were never partitioned. > -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 15:22 +0100 |
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On 28/09/2025 11:19, Nuno Silva wrote: >> Partitions were only loosely for 'organization' in the MS-DOS days. >> Their primary purpose was to work around MS-DOS and early windows >> (which was a shell above MS-DOS) disk size limits. Hard drives grew in >> size faster than MS-DOS was updated to handle the larger sizes. > Just MS-DOS limitations? Or from the firmware (as in "PC BIOS") too? Either, I implemented a BIOS upgrade that could use 2k sized sectors instead of 512k , and increased hard drive capacity to IIRC 128Mbyte. MSDOS at that time could not IIRC cope with more than 64k sectors. TBH it is so long ago that I have forgotten almost all detail of that contract, except that I used to walk to work past some amazing purple opium poppies, whose seeds I collected and whose offspring I have to this day... -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 18:07 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #75358 |
On 2025-09-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 28/09/2025 11:19, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Just MS-DOS limitations? Or from the firmware (as in "PC BIOS") too? > > Either, I implemented a BIOS upgrade that could use 2k sized sectors > instead of 512k , and increased hard drive capacity to IIRC 128Mbyte. Silly rabbit. 32 megabytes ought to be enough for anybody. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 19:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bc1mj$2icd5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75363 |
On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 18:07:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Silly rabbit. 32 megabytes ought to be enough for anybody. 26 drive letters are certainly still enough!! Aren’t they??
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 23:55 +0100 |
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| In reply to | #75363 |
On 28/09/2025 19:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-09-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 28/09/2025 11:19, Nuno Silva wrote: >> >>> Just MS-DOS limitations? Or from the firmware (as in "PC BIOS") too? >> >> Either, I implemented a BIOS upgrade that could use 2k sized sectors >> instead of 512k , and increased hard drive capacity to IIRC 128Mbyte. > > Silly rabbit. 32 megabytes ought to be enough for anybody. > Not my decisons., The customer wanted to fit an 80Mbyte drive and they paid me well enough... -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 09:53 +0100 |
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| In reply to | #75321 |
On 27/09/2025 19:17, c186282 wrote: > Well, partitions can be used for "organization" > purposes, which can be useful. Remember too that > floppies held rather a LOT of data - by the > needs and standards of the time. > That's what we had 'directories' for... > Fooling around with floppies this week, I know > you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them, > did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb. > Did not try any of the more obscure partition types. -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> |
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| Date | 2025-10-02 18:28 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <emp1rl-vd1.ln1@otis.foo> |
| In reply to | #75321 |
Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep
2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know
> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them,
> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb.
That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64 bytes)
part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk).
Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the
partition table.
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| From | Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-02 21:44 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <10bmh78$16hal$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75611 |
On 2.10.2025 11.28, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: > Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep > 2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. > >> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know >> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them, >> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb. > > That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64 bytes) > part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk). > Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the > partition table. The partition table for MS-DOS sits on the very first sector (track 0, surface 0, sector 1) of the disk. It is part of the first startup boot program, called Master Boot Record (MBR). The very limited space on the MBR limited the DOS partition table to 4 partitions maximum. -- -TV
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10bn0pv$1a03n$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75617 |
On 2025-10-02, Tauno Voipio wrote: > On 2.10.2025 11.28, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: >> Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep >> 2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >> >>> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know >>> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them, >>> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb. >> >> That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64 bytes) >> part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk). >> Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the >> partition table. > > > The partition table for MS-DOS sits on the very first sector > (track 0, surface 0, sector 1) of the disk. It is part of the > first startup boot program, called Master Boot Record (MBR). > > The very limited space on the MBR limited the DOS partition > table to 4 partitions maximum. Any chance this was partition alignment to the 1 MiB boundary? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 00:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eDqdndl9noAFz0L1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75631 |
On 10/2/25 19:10, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-10-02, Tauno Voipio wrote: > >> On 2.10.2025 11.28, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: >>> Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep >>> 2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >>> >>>> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know >>>> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them, >>>> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb. >>> >>> That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64 bytes) >>> part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk). >>> Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the >>> partition table. >> >> >> The partition table for MS-DOS sits on the very first sector >> (track 0, surface 0, sector 1) of the disk. It is part of the >> first startup boot program, called Master Boot Record (MBR). >> >> The very limited space on the MBR limited the DOS partition >> table to 4 partitions maximum. > > Any chance this was partition alignment to the 1 MiB boundary? DID try it several ways using gparted - MB alignment and other. In all cases 99% of the flop was used up. OTHER ways to deal with floppies - which I documented clearly earlier in the thread.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 00:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7fidnTcOZKZAzEL1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75617 |
On 10/2/25 14:44, Tauno Voipio wrote: > On 2.10.2025 11.28, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: >> Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep >> 2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. >> >>> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know >>> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them, >>> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb. >> >> That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64 bytes) >> part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk). >> Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the >> partition table. > > > The partition table for MS-DOS sits on the very first sector > (track 0, surface 0, sector 1) of the disk. It is part of the > first startup boot program, called Master Boot Record (MBR). > > The very limited space on the MBR limited the DOS partition > table to 4 partitions maximum. > If you have a floppy/adapter, use gparted and create a new msdos-type partition table. There will be almost NO space left. Been there (recently), done that. Floppies really shouldn't have partition tables. There are other utilities - which I've mentioned - that are far more appropriate.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 00:21 -0400 |
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| In reply to | #75611 |
On 10/2/25 04:28, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote: > Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep > 2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it. > >> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know >> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them, >> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb. > > That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64 bytes) > part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk). > Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the > partition table. Insert floppy. Run 'gparted'. Select to create a new MSDOS-type partition table. You will find almost ALL of the disk has been used up.
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| From | Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> |
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| Date | 2025-10-04 12:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <9ue6rl-ig3.ln1@otis.foo> |
| In reply to | #75633 |
Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Fri, 3 Oct
2025 02:21 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
> On 10/2/25 04:28, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote:
>> Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 28 Sep
>> 2025 04:17 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
>>
>>> Fooling around with floppies this week, I know
>>> you can put a MSDOS-type partition table on them,
>>> did it with gparted, but it uses up about 1.2mb.
>>
>> That's very odd! An MSDOS partition table occupies a small (64
>> bytes)
>> part of the MBR (master boot record - the first sector of the disk).
>> Perhaps you were looking at the size of th partition itself, not the
>> partition table.
>
> Insert floppy. Run 'gparted'. Select to create
> a new MSDOS-type partition table.
>
> You will find almost ALL of the disk has been
> used up.
I've just tried that, and I'm getting 1.41MB unallocated. There are no
partitions and nothing else filling the space, so the whole disk is
unallocated. I can't explain your results, other than maybe the
operation failed and you're seeing what was on the disk before.
I had problems getting it to work. Gparted seems a little flakey and
error prone. Possibly it just doesn't like floppy disks. It took me
ages to get a result. I also tried with fdisk, which worked first time.
After I did that I fired up gparted again, and it showed the entire
disk unallocated. After finally getting gparted to create a partition
table on a floppy, the result was exactly the same: all space
unallocated. (Note that I removed the partition table created with
fdisk before trying again with gparted. Note also that the final
attempt with gparted did indeed work, creating a partition table within
seconds; whereas previous attempts had either popped up an error dialog
after a moment or tried for TWENTY MINUTES before doing so. Ye gads!)
So, to summarise: partition a floppy with fdisk or gparted (if you can
get it to work) and the disk will show all space unallocated. Make a
failed attempt, however, and you may see the space taken up by the file
system that was there in the first place.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 06:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mjhf43FjebiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75070 |
c186282 wrote: > Recently got a USB floppy reader. > BUT - no partition table on the disk I think you can* put a partition table on a floppy, but they usually just have a single filesystem without partition table ... [*] vague memories of making ElTorito bootable CDs from images of partitioned floppies?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 11:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10b0i4g$3j4qf$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75090 |
On 24/09/2025 06:49, Andy Burns wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> Recently got a USB floppy reader. >> BUT - no partition table on the disk > > I think you can* put a partition table on a floppy, but they usually > just have a single filesystem without partition table ... > > > [*] vague memories of making ElTorito bootable CDs from images of > partitioned floppies? If the drive you have has a different understanding of track spacing than what is on your disks, they are unreadable. Reformatting *at a low level* should work however. Its so long I cannot remember how to do that. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 16:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MlVAQ.3630$9qgd.1591@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #75103 |
On 2025-09-24, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 24/09/2025 06:49, Andy Burns wrote: > >> c186282 wrote: >> >>> Recently got a USB floppy reader. >>> BUT - no partition table on the disk >> >> I think you can* put a partition table on a floppy, but they usually >> just have a single filesystem without partition table ... >> >> >> [*] vague memories of making ElTorito bootable CDs from images of >> partitioned floppies? > > If the drive you have has a different understanding of track spacing > than what is on your disks, they are unreadable. > > Reformatting *at a low level* should work however. > Its so long I cannot remember how to do that. First you get a large magnet... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 14:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ALmdnfBqFodjpEn1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75111 |
On 9/24/25 12:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-09-24, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 24/09/2025 06:49, Andy Burns wrote: >> >>> c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Recently got a USB floppy reader. >>>> BUT - no partition table on the disk >>> >>> I think you can* put a partition table on a floppy, but they usually >>> just have a single filesystem without partition table ... >>> >>> >>> [*] vague memories of making ElTorito bootable CDs from images of >>> partitioned floppies? >> >> If the drive you have has a different understanding of track spacing >> than what is on your disks, they are unreadable. >> >> Reformatting *at a low level* should work however. >> Its so long I cannot remember how to do that. > > First you get a large magnet... Have some :-)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 15:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pc6cnetKst563Un1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75111 |
On 9/24/25 12:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-09-24, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 24/09/2025 06:49, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recently got a USB floppy reader.
>>>> BUT - no partition table on the disk
>>>
>>> I think you can* put a partition table on a floppy, but they usually
>>> just have a single filesystem without partition table ...
>>>
>>>
>>> [*] vague memories of making ElTorito bootable CDs from images of
>>> partitioned floppies?
>>
>> If the drive you have has a different understanding of track spacing
>> than what is on your disks, they are unreadable.
>>
>> Reformatting *at a low level* should work however.
>> Its so long I cannot remember how to do that.
>
> First you get a large magnet...
>
Hey ! The large magnet WORKED !
Swirled around the disk.
Then :
ufiformat /dev/sdb
mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb
mount /dev/sdb /home/memyself/fdd -o defaults
Was able to write a file.
Maybe some of the things just HAVE been sitting around
for too long ?
Anyway, the drive works ok and it's POSSIBLE to at
least re-use some of the old flops.
A lot of my old stuff was in zip sets done by an
old DOS app called "FastBack". MIGHT be able to
find it on some OldWare sites and run it in a
dos/win VM.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 21:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FwWdnUdvLosVBkn1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75119 |
On 9/24/25 15:05, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/24/25 12:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-09-24, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/09/2025 06:49, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Recently got a USB floppy reader.
>>>>> BUT - no partition table on the disk
>>>>
>>>> I think you can* put a partition table on a floppy, but they usually
>>>> just have a single filesystem without partition table ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [*] vague memories of making ElTorito bootable CDs from images of
>>>> partitioned floppies?
>>>
>>> If the drive you have has a different understanding of track spacing
>>> than what is on your disks, they are unreadable.
>>>
>>> Reformatting *at a low level* should work however.
>>> Its so long I cannot remember how to do that.
>>
>> First you get a large magnet...
>>
>
> Hey ! The large magnet WORKED !
>
> Swirled around the disk.
>
> Then :
>
> ufiformat /dev/sdb
> mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb
> mount /dev/sdb /home/memyself/fdd -o defaults
>
> Was able to write a file.
>
> Maybe some of the things just HAVE been sitting around
> for too long ?
>
> Anyway, the drive works ok and it's POSSIBLE to at
> least re-use some of the old flops.
>
> A lot of my old stuff was in zip sets done by an
> old DOS app called "FastBack". MIGHT be able to
> find it on some OldWare sites and run it in a
> dos/win VM.
>
I will revise slightly :
mount -o umask=000,rw /dev/sdb /home/memyself/fdd
works better/easier for most typical uses.
My other two test disks did not require the magnet
treatment, just the above steps in order.
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