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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400 |
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Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:06 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 14:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:26 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 01:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 10:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:37 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-04 12:04 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:12 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-04 15:22 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:38 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 20:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-04 22:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-05 09:51 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 02:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 09:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:55 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-08 12:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 09:02 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 17:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:45 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 14:02 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:17 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 00:55 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:35 -0400
Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 14:54 -0400
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:15 +0000
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:13 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 14:29 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:37 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:07 +0000
inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:45 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 00:57 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 15:28 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 23:46 +0100
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:42 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:13 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:53 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:49 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:51 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-09 09:00 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:24 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:52 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:56 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:50 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-05 20:25 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:35 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:08 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 12:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:07 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:35 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 00:28 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-28 21:08 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 05:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 16:32 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 18:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:30 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 10:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:33 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-09-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:31 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-29 08:18 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:19 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:22 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-28 18:07 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:18 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:53 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-02 18:28 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2025-10-02 21:44 +0300
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 00:10 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:21 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-04 12:55 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 16:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:38 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:04 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:07 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:44 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:06 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:10 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:09 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:08 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 23:30 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-07 15:16 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 02:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:58 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:06 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:14 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:10 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:54 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:57 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:49 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-09 12:50 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:11 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:37 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-10 11:19 +0200
Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:51 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:35 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 14:48 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-10 06:51 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 13:18 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-09 03:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-10 02:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 23:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:16 +0000
Faraday cages (was: Re: Floppies - Actual Question) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 17:02 +0100
Re: Faraday cages Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:48 +0000
Re: Faraday cages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:47 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 05:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:42 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:59 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-26 01:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 13:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:22 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-29 23:03 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-26 15:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:23 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-24 08:41 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 12:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:34 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:11 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2025-09-28 01:00 -0700
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-06 02:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jLacndTL9vNDw371nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75718 |
On 10/5/25 04:51, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: >> I've never trusted the idea as /home/user being for user controlled >> data, distinct from the installed system. This folder standardly >> contains user preferences/config for the OS and installed >> applications. > > It does, but it also explicitly intended for the user’s own data. Consider the diff between "home" computers and corp servers. Somewhat different rules/tactics apply. For a server, the 'home' acct/dir should be very minimal, almost nothing there. If somebody gets kinda into it, fills it up with garbage, it should have minimal effect on the system as a whole. The real stuff should be off in other users names, each with different creds.
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-07 09:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10c2kj9$rat5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75718 |
On 10/5/25 09:51, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: >> I've never trusted the idea as /home/user being for user controlled >> data, distinct from the installed system. This folder standardly >> contains user preferences/config for the OS and installed >> applications. > > It does, but it also explicitly intended for the user’s own data. > Yes, I understand that. I'm questioning if it is best to follow that intention, or to instead create my own data area. I think it is largely accepted that important user data should be stored elsewhere, on a network drive. So I'm really discussing relatively temporary bits and bobs I store on the many PCs I use. >> If you install a difference OS or different applications, the >> configuration files might not be consistent. I wouldn't assume I could >> take /home from one system and drop it onto a different system. > > Configuration files for (say) your desktop environment might not work, > if the desktop environments available on the two systems are genuinely > different (like KDE vs Gnome). > > But for the most part there is very little real difference between the > software on any two Linux distributions - perhaps little more than > compiler version & flags, and maybe some details of system file > locations. > It is often difficult to notice, investigate and fix compatibility problems, very time-consuming. So a few compatibility exceptions can dominate the process. I gave up system disk backups many years ago, in favour of a provisioning script. I only backup specific data folders. I used to backup my /home folder, but there is now a huge number of config/system files under /home, 400,000 under /home/user on the system I'm using, which is two months from a fresh install. I could write a backup script to exclude all these files, or I could accept that /home/user is part of the OS, move my personal data elsewhere. Basically, stop backing up /home/user, do scripted provisioning on new installs instead, like I do with the rest of the OS. I think it is easier to leave /home/user to the OS, only use it minimally. The strategy is to specify backup data explicitly, via inclusive rules rather than exclusive ones. >> So if I have important data files, documents, spreadsheets, etc. I try >> not to store them under /home. Really speaking I only use /home/user >> as a cache, I accept it is under the control of the system, rather >> than under my control. > > I’ve no idea what difference you think that will make to anything. The > location of your spreadsheet file makes no difference to whether your > spreadsheet application can use it. If you use a _different spreadsheet > application_ (e.g. Libreoffice vs Excel) then that will make a > difference but the file location is irrelevant. > I should have said photos, personnel files that I want to keep, independently of the PC. I might store them locally, but that is just temporary.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 01:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <af-dnf9qL6lyYXj1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75751 |
On 10/7/25 04:56, Pancho wrote: > On 10/5/25 09:51, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: >>> I've never trusted the idea as /home/user being for user controlled >>> data, distinct from the installed system. This folder standardly >>> contains user preferences/config for the OS and installed >>> applications. >> >> It does, but it also explicitly intended for the user’s own data. >> > > Yes, I understand that. I'm questioning if it is best to follow that > intention, or to instead create my own data area. Look ... you're kind of treading the line between "home system" and biz SERVER. Servers really do need to be set up differently for max utility/safety. So, "best" is "mission-centric".
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 12:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10c5jl8$1i216$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75776 |
On 10/8/25 06:55, c186282 wrote: > On 10/7/25 04:56, Pancho wrote: >> On 10/5/25 09:51, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: >>>> I've never trusted the idea as /home/user being for user controlled >>>> data, distinct from the installed system. This folder standardly >>>> contains user preferences/config for the OS and installed >>>> applications. >>> >>> It does, but it also explicitly intended for the user’s own data. >>> >> >> Yes, I understand that. I'm questioning if it is best to follow that >> intention, or to instead create my own data area. > Look ... you're kind of treading the line between > "home system" and biz SERVER. > > Servers really do need to be set up differently> for max utility/safety. > > So, "best" is "mission-centric". > I don't know what you mean? I used servers at work and, they were similar to my workstation, not public facing. Nowadays, I think a biz SERVER is more likely to be a service, a docker container (swarm) running a webserver or something. The security concerns are different to those of Linux user accounts. I'm basically whinging that OS/Desktop designers have hosed my personal play area, MS Windows does it too.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 02:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DIednYwSz4Boynr1nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75790 |
On 10/8/25 07:58, Pancho wrote: > On 10/8/25 06:55, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/7/25 04:56, Pancho wrote: >>> On 10/5/25 09:51, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: >>>>> I've never trusted the idea as /home/user being for user controlled >>>>> data, distinct from the installed system. This folder standardly >>>>> contains user preferences/config for the OS and installed >>>>> applications. >>>> >>>> It does, but it also explicitly intended for the user’s own data. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I understand that. I'm questioning if it is best to follow that >>> intention, or to instead create my own data area. >> Look ... you're kind of treading the line between >> "home system" and biz SERVER. >> > > Servers really do need to be set up differently> for max > utility/safety. >> >> So, "best" is "mission-centric". >> > > I don't know what you mean? I used servers at work and, they were > similar to my workstation, not public facing. I had a couple of 'public-facing' servers. I did set them up differently. Dead-minimal OS, lots of sep between 'home' and 'system' stuff, lots of firewall/hack/hammering utils. Never did a BSD outward server - was going to, but management became crappier and I retired. By all reports they went all M$ 'cloud'. That'll be kinda OK, if $$$, until Vlad's boyz launch their attack. Then 'poof !' :-) > Nowadays, I think a biz SERVER is more likely to be a service, a docker > container (swarm) running a webserver or something. The security > concerns are different to those of Linux user accounts. What a "biz server" is depends on the biz and purpose. Mine, one gave outside access to the internal system and utils and security cams, even a DB, the other was a mail server. > I'm basically whinging that OS/Desktop designers have hosed my personal > play area, MS Windows does it too. "Play" wasn't for servers in my environment, that was for home/desktop boxes.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 09:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20251008090209.0000634b@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #75751 |
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 09:56:08 +0100 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: > I'm questioning if it is best to follow that intention, or to instead > create my own data area. Personally, I've long been in the habit of making a separate partition for large-scale local storage (do have a home fileserver, but that only gets you anywhere when you're on the home network.) /home is fine for config files, one-off working documents, and unsorted downloads, but it quickly gets cluttered if I store *everything* there. Having a separate partition with a (vaguely) well-organized directory structure for media/ documents/larger-scale project files makes it a lot easier to find stuff later, without having to resort to some kind of indexing/search utility.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 17:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10c63s9$1mi4b$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75800 |
On 08/10/2025 17:02, John Ames wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 09:56:08 +0100 > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm questioning if it is best to follow that intention, or to instead >> create my own data area. > > Personally, I've long been in the habit of making a separate partition > for large-scale local storage (do have a home fileserver, but that only > gets you anywhere when you're on the home network.) /home is fine for > config files, one-off working documents, and unsorted downloads, but it > quickly gets cluttered if I store *everything* there. Having a separate > partition with a (vaguely) well-organized directory structure for media/ > documents/larger-scale project files makes it a lot easier to find > stuff later, without having to resort to some kind of indexing/search > utility. > Well I have a local /home for config data, but all my *real* data is on a /home/me on my Linux NAS Along with partitions for music and videos. Which I don't actually routinely back up In extremis I CAN access my NAS remotely. Like if I am visiting family on another continent, but I forget how. Some ssh port in a weird place I think. The media server is readonly globally accessible though. via https/password Handy when stuck in hospital. Full of e-books, music and old Westerns etc. -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <88pmrlxf6c.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75803 |
On 2025-10-08 18:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 08/10/2025 17:02, John Ames wrote: > > Well I have a local /home for config data, but all my *real* data is on > a /home/me on my Linux NAS > > Along with partitions for music and videos. Which I don't actually > routinely back up > > In extremis I CAN access my NAS remotely. Like if I am visiting family > on another continent, but I forget how. Some ssh port in a weird place I > think. On a Linux NAS: sshfs username@remote.system:/ ~/fusermount/ mounts the remote filesystem at local directory ~/fusermount/, over a plain ssh connection. Doesn't need anything extra on the server, just the sshd daemon in working order. > > The media server is readonly globally accessible though. via https/password > > Handy when stuck in hospital. Full of e-books, music and old Westerns etc. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 09:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10cahs4$3u22g$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75874 |
On 10/10/2025 08:29, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-08 18:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 08/10/2025 17:02, John Ames wrote: > >> >> Well I have a local /home for config data, but all my *real* data is >> on a /home/me on my Linux NAS >> >> Along with partitions for music and videos. Which I don't actually >> routinely back up >> >> In extremis I CAN access my NAS remotely. Like if I am visiting family >> on another continent, but I forget how. Some ssh port in a weird place >> I think. > > On a Linux NAS: > > sshfs username@remote.system:/ ~/fusermount/ > > mounts the remote filesystem at local directory ~/fusermount/, over a > plain ssh connection. Doesn't need anything extra on the server, just > the sshd daemon in working order. > Yeah. That's how it works, with a port specification. Its good enough to find and grab files off the user data areas. When I think that my minimum internet speed is what my maximum LAN speed was 35 years ago... -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 13:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <778nrlximi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75884 |
On 2025-10-10 10:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/10/2025 08:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-10-08 18:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/10/2025 17:02, John Ames wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well I have a local /home for config data, but all my *real* data is
>>> on a /home/me on my Linux NAS
>>>
>>> Along with partitions for music and videos. Which I don't actually
>>> routinely back up
>>>
>>> In extremis I CAN access my NAS remotely. Like if I am visiting
>>> family on another continent, but I forget how. Some ssh port in a
>>> weird place I think.
>>
>> On a Linux NAS:
>>
>> sshfs username@remote.system:/ ~/fusermount/
>>
>> mounts the remote filesystem at local directory ~/fusermount/, over a
>> plain ssh connection. Doesn't need anything extra on the server, just
>> the sshd daemon in working order.
>>
> Yeah. That's how it works, with a port specification.
I don't have to specify ports. If I use a non standard port, I configure
that in the client .ssh/config:
Host host.dyndns
Port 5000
>
> Its good enough to find and grab files off the user data areas.
>
> When I think that my minimum internet speed is what my maximum LAN speed
> was 35 years ago...
Heh, but maybe not everywhere.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 14:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10cb04n$2ee5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75894 |
On 10/10/2025 12:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-10 10:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Yeah. That's how it works, with a port specification. > > I don't have to specify ports. If I use a non standard port, I configure > that in the client .ssh/config: > > Host host.dyndns > Port 5000 > ...where anyone who steals the laptop in a foreign land can find it. > >> >> Its good enough to find and grab files off the user data areas. >> >> When I think that my minimum internet speed is what my maximum LAN >> speed was 35 years ago... > > Heh, but maybe not everywhere. Everywhere except the USA. And possibly Spain > -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 21:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rn2orlx0dl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75900 |
On 2025-10-10 15:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/10/2025 12:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-10 10:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> Yeah. That's how it works, with a port specification. >> >> I don't have to specify ports. If I use a non standard port, I >> configure that in the client .ssh/config: >> >> Host host.dyndns >> Port 5000 >> > ...where anyone who steals the laptop in a foreign land can find it. It is fully encrypted. Anybody that steals a laptop can find the ssh command in the bash history, too. Hopefully not the password to the remote system. >>> Its good enough to find and grab files off the user data areas. >>> >>> When I think that my minimum internet speed is what my maximum LAN >>> speed was 35 years ago... >> >> Heh, but maybe not everywhere. > > Everywhere except the USA. And possibly Spain Ha ha. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cc9tv$ei6n$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75908 |
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 21:17:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-10 15:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >> On 10/10/2025 12:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>> Host host.dyndns >>> Port 5000 >>> >> ...where anyone who steals the laptop in a foreign land can find it. > > It is fully encrypted. No to mention, the SSH client has the option to hash the known-hosts file, so no snooper can figure out what sites you’ve been connecting to. > Anybody that steals a laptop can find the ssh command in the bash > history, too. Hopefully not the password to the remote system. Presumably you had a trust key specific to this laptop, which you will be immediately revoking on all the appropriate systems.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 02:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Q7mdnRyN_8pdZ3T1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75900 |
On 10/10/25 09:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/10/2025 12:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-10 10:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> Yeah. That's how it works, with a port specification. >> >> I don't have to specify ports. If I use a non standard port, I >> configure that in the client .ssh/config: >> >> Host host.dyndns >> Port 5000 >> > ...where anyone who steals the laptop in a foreign land can find it. Well, I never go to 'foreign lands' ... However using non-standard ports IS a very good idea. The many little hacks pound the standard ports for whatever relentlessly - but they don't waste the time looking at EVERY port. Even my home boxes don't use standard SSH and/or VNC. >>> Its good enough to find and grab files off the user data areas. >>> >>> When I think that my minimum internet speed is what my maximum LAN >>> speed was 35 years ago... >> >> Heh, but maybe not everywhere. > > Everywhere except the USA. And possibly Spain Can't get fast (wireless) internet - the tower is too far away.
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| From | "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 14:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question |
| Message-ID | <op.3d334uuaa3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net> |
| In reply to | #75800 |
On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 12:02:09 -0400, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 09:56:08 +0100 > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm questioning if it is best to follow that intention, or to instead >> create my own data area. > > Personally, I've long been in the habit of making a separate partition > for large-scale local storage (do have a home fileserver, but that only > gets you anywhere when you're on the home network.) /home is fine for > config files, one-off working documents, and unsorted downloads, but it > quickly gets cluttered if I store *everything* there. Having a separate > partition with a (vaguely) well-organized directory structure for media/ > documents/larger-scale project files makes it a lot easier to find > stuff later, without having to resort to some kind of indexing/search > utility. I create a separate data partition. After install I move my Documents, Downloads, Music, and Videos directories to the data partion and then create symlinks to those directories from within $HOME. For backup, I rsync the data directory, /home, /etc, and portions of /var to a usb stick. I rotate multiple 128GB usb sticks for the backup. Regards, Dave Hodgins
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 21:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question |
| Message-ID | <10c6k9o$1sia8$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75811 |
On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 14:54:20 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote: > I create a separate data partition. After install I move my > Documents, Downloads, Music, and Videos directories to the data > partion and then create symlinks to those directories from within > $HOME. I did this kind of thing for a while, purely for economic reasons: there were a few years when 4TB was the sweet spot for cost-per-byte for hard drives, so it made sense to add multiple drives of that size rather than move to bigger drives. Symlinks made bulk copying to my backup machine (which had a different disk layout) slightly fiddly. What did work better was bind mounts.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 12:35 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question |
| Message-ID | <10c86mk$2kf2m$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75811 |
On 08/10/2025 19:54, David W. Hodgins wrote: > I create a separate data partition. After install I move my Documents, > Downloads, Music, > and Videos directories to the data partion and then create symlinks to > those directories > from within $HOME. > > For backup, I rsync the data directory, /home, /etc, and portions of > /var to a usb stick. I rotate > multiple 128GB usb sticks for the backup. > > Regards, Dave Hodgins +1. very similar to here. It works -- It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house for the voice of the kingdom. Jonathan Swift
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10c6k4t$1sia8$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75800 |
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 09:02:09 -0700, John Ames wrote: > Having a separate partition with a (vaguely) well-organized > directory structure ... You can have the latter without the former. Remember, *nix systems maintain a single directory hierarchy, regardless of how the storage may actually be partitioned into separate volumes.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 14:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20251008142954.00006e7f@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #75813 |
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 21:13:01 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > Having a separate partition with a (vaguely) well-organized > > directory structure ... > > You can have the latter without the former. Remember, *nix systems > maintain a single directory hierarchy, regardless of how the storage > may actually be partitioned into separate volumes. Certainly, but keeping it separate allows for some fine-tuning (e.g. picking a larger inode size for a partition where small files will be the exception rather than the rule.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 12:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10c86pq$2kf2m$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75815 |
On 08/10/2025 22:29, John Ames wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 21:13:01 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>> Having a separate partition with a (vaguely) well-organized >>> directory structure ... >> >> You can have the latter without the former. Remember, *nix systems >> maintain a single directory hierarchy, regardless of how the storage >> may actually be partitioned into separate volumes. > > Certainly, but keeping it separate allows for some fine-tuning (e.g. > picking a larger inode size for a partition where small files will be > the exception rather than the rule.) > Crikey, how long has THAT been an issue. Like the time you had to define how many TCP/IP buffers or virtual ttys you had... Suddenly there was enough memory and disk space to not give a shit -- It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house for the voice of the kingdom. Jonathan Swift
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