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Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture

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  Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
    Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:31 -0400
      Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:36 +0000
        Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:18 +0100
          Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:00 +0000
            Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:33 +0100
            [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 19:30 +0100
              Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 19:35 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:19 +0000
                  [OT] On feeding our overlords (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 11:35 +0100
                    Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:07 +0000
                      Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:31 +0100
                        Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:52 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 21:57 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:25 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:10 +0000
                    [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 11:40 +0100
                      Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:32 +0100
                      Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:06 +0000
                      Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-25 18:44 +0100
                      Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 05:13 -0700
                        Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-27 20:44 +0200
                          Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 11:59 +0100
                            House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 06:34 -0700
                              Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:21 +0200
                                Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 06:42 -0700
                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 20:48 +0200
                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:31 +0100
                                    Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 07:10 -0700
                                      Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:57 +0000
                                        Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:27 -0400
                                          Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:22 +0100
                                            Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:59 +0000
                                              Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:50 -0400
                                                Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:35 +0000
                                                Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:57 +0100
                                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:58 +0000
                                              Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:56 +0100
                                                Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:52 +0000
                                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
                                                    Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-02 03:07 +0000
                                                    Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:26 +0100
                                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:25 +0100
                                          Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:53 +0000
                                            Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:37 -0400
                                              Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:27 +0000
                                              Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:01 +0100
                                                Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:45 +0000
                                                Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 01:21 -0400
                                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 10:50 +0200
                                                    Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:31 +0100
                                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:30 +0100
                                            Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:52 +0100
                                              Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 00:37 -0400
                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:45 +0100
                                  Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 22:08 -0400
                                    Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 07:16 -0700
                                Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:43 +0100
                                  Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:49 +0200
                                    Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:07 -0400
                          Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 06:22 -0700
                        Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 20:50 +0100
                          Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:21 +0100
                            Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 14:16 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:30 +0100
                      Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:03 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:30 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:50 +0000
          Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:45 -0400
            Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 03:17 +0000
              Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 01:57 -0400
                Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:20 +0000
                  Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:51 -0400
            Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:58 +0000
              Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:20 -0400
                Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:19 +0000
            Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:36 +0100
          Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:47 +0000
    Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:48 +0000

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#91047 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-02 03:07 +0000
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<nfpi81FtomiU32@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91043
On Tue, 01 Sep 2026 23:40:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-09-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:56:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of
>>> 300'
>>> ASL...
>>
>> I'm 10 times further from sea level. Strictly by elevation Ben Nevis
>> would be considered a speed bump.
> 
> I'm basically at sea level 5 miles from salt water and have an
> assortment of 7000-foot peaks within 10 miles or so.  Lots of fjords...

Ah, heaven! When I lived in New Hampshire the ocean proper was about 13 
miles away. The Great Bay is a tidal estuary and was a bit closer. It was 
a fascinating place. I used to catch and release horseshoe crabs just to 
study one of the more successful designs.

The White Mountains were about 60 miles north. Mt. Washington is only 
6,288' but I think it's the 2nd highest east of the Mississippi.

Now I have plenty of mountains but no ocean. However there is that seismic 
activity over on the west. One can hope.

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#91068 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 11:26 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1178tkd$2mjch$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91043
On 02/09/2026 00:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-09-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:56:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of 300'
>>> ASL...
>>
>> I'm 10 times further from sea level. Strictly by elevation Ben Nevis would
>> be considered a speed bump.
> 
> I'm basically at sea level 5 miles from salt water and have an assortment
> of 7000-foot peaks within 10 miles or so.  Lots of fjords...
> 
Ah,. Slartibartfast's creation...
-- 
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism 
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, 
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and 
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' 
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for 
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet 
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that 
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian 
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

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#91067 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 11:25 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1178tj8$2mjch$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91030
On 01/09/2026 19:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:56:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of 300'
>> ASL...
> 
> I'm 10 times further from sea level. Strictly by elevation Ben Nevis would
> be considered a speed bump.

I know. I've been to Montana.

It was when I realized how great America was...
...Without Americans.

I used to live at that altitude too, in Johannesburg.

Always felt slightly drunk and the cars ran on low octane fuel and had 
no power...


-- 
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism 
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, 
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and 
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' 
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for 
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet 
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that 
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian 
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

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#90976 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-31 18:53 +0000
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<nfm0t2FtomiU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90945
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate
>    itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now
>    TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists.

Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge 
is that way. Keep moving'.
 
>    Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into
>    the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last.
>    Believing in that illusion, their own fault.

Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade 
with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone.

On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations 
with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009. 


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#90985 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-01 01:37 -0400
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<KomcnSqtk4o3-Qv3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90976
On 8/31/26 14:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate
>>     itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now
>>     TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists.
> 
> Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge
> is that way. Keep moving'.

   Have some relatives there. They report that things
   do NOT seem to be going so well anymore. The govt
   is still selling the "Everything Is Sunny" shit.
   Islamists. Russia. Biker gangs tearing things up.
   Things are NOT sunny.

>>     Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into
>>     the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last.
>>     Believing in that illusion, their own fault.
> 
> Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade
> with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone.
> 
> On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations
> with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009.

   Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made
   some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering.
   It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better.

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#90992 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-01 07:27 +0000
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<nfnd2hFtomiU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90985
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 01:37:25 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made some BAD. oft
>    'PC', decisions and is now suffering. It will get worse before it,
>    maybe, gets better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mette_Frederiksen#Immigration

Lately Denmark has soured a bit on Ukrainians.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/denmark-stop-considering-all-ukrainians-
refugees/5937933

Diversity and social welfare don't work well together. 

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#91003 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-01 13:01 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1176er7$1o1ba$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90985
On 01/09/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
> Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made
>    some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering.
>    It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better.

Its just N Germany with a funny accent.

It is boring as fuck.

I remember being over there for a few weeks and feeling something wrong 
about the place, then we took a ferry to Sweden and I realised as we 
stepped off that I was seeing something I had never seen in Denmark. A 
boy and a girl, holding hands...

It's now just a giant windfarm where no one wants to live, dependent on 
Scandinavian hydropower when the wind drops


-- 
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

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#91029 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-01 18:45 +0000
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<nfokpqFtomiU22@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91003
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 13:01:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Its just N Germany with a funny accent.

A very funny accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ

'Bron' is the joint Swedish/Danish crime series 'The Bridge' was based on. The Swedish members of the cast had quite a bit to say about the Danes. 

The part of Germany my people came from made it into a humorous PR campaign.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg#/media/File:Wirkoennenalles.svg>

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#91052 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-02 01:21 -0400
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<aFydnYrmDIfiLwr3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91003
On 9/1/26 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/09/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
>> Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made
>>    some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering.
>>    It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better.
> 
> Its just N Germany with a funny accent.

   Remember Granny's accent ... sort of like German,
   but after a few beers :-)

> It is boring as fuck.

   Well, these days, 'boring' may be GOOD.

> I remember being over there for a few weeks and feeling something wrong 
> about the place, then we took a ferry to Sweden and I realised as we 
> stepped off that I was seeing something I had never seen in Denmark. A 
> boy and a girl, holding hands...

   Oh, the HORROR !!!

> It's now just a giant windfarm where no one wants to live, dependent on 
> Scandinavian hydropower when the wind drops

   Like most countries they made some good, and
   some BAD, decisions. A little too sensitive to
   the "PC" shit IMHO.

   However Denmark is also SMALL - meaning fewer
   resources to cope with problems with their
   decisions and international conditions. Russian
   trawlers can obliterate that alt energy in
   an instant too.

   Oh well, a long time since King Bluetooth.

   Dunno WHERE in the world you can go for "boring"
   these days. Canada used to be OK, but now it's
   gone commie and things are not gonna get better
   anytime soon - also manage to treat their natives
   WORSE than the USA. NZ is popular, TOO popular now.
   Nowhere in S.America is good. Maybe someplace
   way way off the grid - Namibia perhaps ?

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#91060 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 10:50 +0200
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<nj4lmmxjre.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91052
On 2026-09-02 07:21, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/1/26 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/09/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
>>> Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made
>>>    some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering.
>>>    It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better.
>>
>> Its just N Germany with a funny accent.
> 
>    Remember Granny's accent ... sort of like German,
>    but after a few beers :-)
> 
>> It is boring as fuck.
> 
>    Well, these days, 'boring' may be GOOD.
> 
>> I remember being over there for a few weeks and feeling something 
>> wrong about the place, then we took a ferry to Sweden and I realised 
>> as we stepped off that I was seeing something I had never seen in 
>> Denmark. A boy and a girl, holding hands...
> 
>    Oh, the HORROR !!!
> 
>> It's now just a giant windfarm where no one wants to live, dependent 
>> on Scandinavian hydropower when the wind drops
> 
>    Like most countries they made some good, and
>    some BAD, decisions. A little too sensitive to
>    the "PC" shit IMHO.
> 
>    However Denmark is also SMALL - meaning fewer
>    resources to cope with problems with their
>    decisions and international conditions. Russian
>    trawlers can obliterate that alt energy in
>    an instant too.
> 
>    Oh well, a long time since King Bluetooth.
> 
>    Dunno WHERE in the world you can go for "boring"
>    these days. Canada used to be OK, but now it's
>    gone commie and things are not gonna get better
>    anytime soon - also manage to treat their natives
>    WORSE than the USA. NZ is popular, TOO popular now.
>    Nowhere in S.America is good. Maybe someplace
>    way way off the grid - Namibia perhaps ?

Amazing what some USAians consider "gone commie".

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#91070 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 11:31 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1178tts$2mjch$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91060
On 02/09/2026 09:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-02 07:21, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/1/26 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/09/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
>>>> Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made
>>>>    some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering.
>>>>    It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better.
>>>
>>> Its just N Germany with a funny accent.
>>
>>    Remember Granny's accent ... sort of like German,
>>    but after a few beers :-)
>>
>>> It is boring as fuck.
>>
>>    Well, these days, 'boring' may be GOOD.
>>
>>> I remember being over there for a few weeks and feeling something 
>>> wrong about the place, then we took a ferry to Sweden and I realised 
>>> as we stepped off that I was seeing something I had never seen in 
>>> Denmark. A boy and a girl, holding hands...
>>
>>    Oh, the HORROR !!!
>>
>>> It's now just a giant windfarm where no one wants to live, dependent 
>>> on Scandinavian hydropower when the wind drops
>>
>>    Like most countries they made some good, and
>>    some BAD, decisions. A little too sensitive to
>>    the "PC" shit IMHO.
>>
>>    However Denmark is also SMALL - meaning fewer
>>    resources to cope with problems with their
>>    decisions and international conditions. Russian
>>    trawlers can obliterate that alt energy in
>>    an instant too.
>>
>>    Oh well, a long time since King Bluetooth.
>>
>>    Dunno WHERE in the world you can go for "boring"
>>    these days. Canada used to be OK, but now it's
>>    gone commie and things are not gonna get better
>>    anytime soon - also manage to treat their natives
>>    WORSE than the USA. NZ is popular, TOO popular now.
>>    Nowhere in S.America is good. Maybe someplace
>>    way way off the grid - Namibia perhaps ?
> 
> Amazing what some USAians consider "gone commie".
> 
Well you don't have the right perspective,

DT, the Donald, embodies many aspects of traditional communism


-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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#91069 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 11:30 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1178trm$2mjch$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91052
On 02/09/2026 06:21, c186282 wrote:
> Maybe someplace
>    way way off the grid - Namibia perhaps ?

Namibia is amazing. My sister sent me pictures of herds of elephant...

If you want boring, a small town in the mid west. A quiet village in 
England. A small suburb in Germany.

All you have to do is switch off the Internet and dont buy a paper.


-- 
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the 
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

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#91000 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-01 12:52 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1176e9h$1o1ba$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90976
On 31/08/2026 19:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate
>>     itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now
>>     TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists.
> 
> Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge
> is that way. Keep moving'.
>   
>>     Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into
>>     the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last.
>>     Believing in that illusion, their own fault.
> 
> Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade
> with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone.
> 
> On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations
> with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009.
> 
> 
> 
Indeed. Norway Sweden Iceland and Finland and Denmark have all been 
ambiguous about the EU.

It's the nations that have been run by fascist dictators in the past 
that seem temperamentally inclined to giving away their freedoms ...

-- 
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit 
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de 
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de 
M. de Voltaire

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#91051 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-02 00:37 -0400
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<aFydnYvmDIeENQr3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91000
On 9/1/26 07:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/2026 19:53, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>    For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate
>>>     itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. 
>>> Now
>>>     TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists.
>>
>> Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge
>> is that way. Keep moving'.
>>>     Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, 
>>> into
>>>     the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last.
>>>     Believing in that illusion, their own fault.
>>
>> Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade
>> with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone.
>>
>> On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations
>> with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009.
>>
>>
>>
> Indeed. Norway Sweden Iceland and Finland and Denmark have all been 
> ambiguous about the EU.
> 
> It's the nations that have been run by fascist dictators in the past 
> that seem temperamentally inclined to giving away their freedoms ...


   From long back, I viewed the EU as a sort of suicide pact.
   If it doesn't die from mismanagement or war it will die
   by becoming police states.

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#90851 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-29 22:45 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<116vjtl$3j6fu$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90826
On 29/08/2026 14:42, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus 
> income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund).
> My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's 
> allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish.

My experiences say yes. Also consider a HEPA air filtration unit in the 
bedroom

-- 
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the 
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

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#90877 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-29 22:08 -0400
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<rNSdnesk36UZDQ73nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90826
On 8/29/26 09:42, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> ...
>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify 
>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a 
>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax)
>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring 
>>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That 
>>> has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is 
>>> long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable 
>>> service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>>
>>
>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the 
>> phone in the ethernet cable.
> So that was considerably more recent that 2013?
> 
> This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the 
> bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders 
> and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture.
> 
> By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus 
> income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund).
> My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's 
> allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the 
> electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this 
> time; wireless is enough for the TVs.


   Umm ... for half a mil you could have built
   an entirely NEW house, a pretty decent one.

   Suggest pre-fab concrete sections - quick to
   assemble on site.

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#90904 — Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-08-30 07:16 -0700
SubjectRe: House Wiring ... and other house stuff
Message-ID<1171dvf$4hjo$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90877
On 2026-08-29 19:08, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/29/26 09:42, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> ...
>>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify 
>>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a 
>>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the 
>>>> coax)
>>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my 
>>>> wiring closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. 
>>>> That has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone 
>>>> service is long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax 
>>>> cable service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the 
>>> phone in the ethernet cable.
>> So that was considerably more recent that 2013?
>>
>> This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the 
>> bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders 
>> and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture.
>>
>> By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars 
>> (plus income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension 
>> fund).
>> My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's 
>> allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the 
>> electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this 
>> time; wireless is enough for the TVs.
> 
> 
>    Umm ... for half a mil you could have built
>    an entirely NEW house, a pretty decent one.
> 
>    Suggest pre-fab concrete sections - quick to
>    assemble on site.

Not in the City of Santa Barbara.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#90850 — Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-29 22:43 +0100
SubjectRe: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones)
Message-ID<116vjq9$3j6fu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90818
On 29/08/2026 12:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style 
>>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very 
>>>>> well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack 
>>>>> fits perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin 
>>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go 
>>>> at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not 
>>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, 
>>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is 
>>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have 
>>>> seen this setup actually used.
>>>>
>>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring'
>>>
>>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original 
>>> Ethernet.
>>>
>>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an Ethernet 
>>> switch.
>>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket
>>>
>>> I wired my house that way.
>> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone outlets. 
>> When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the living room, 
>> and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a second (modem) 
>> phone line into my home office, which happened to be right next to the 
>> telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just drilled a hole right 
>> through the wall.
>>
>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify 
>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a 
>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax)
>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring 
>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has 
>> served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long 
>> gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service 
>> when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>
> 
> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the 
> phone in the ethernet cable.
> 
But you could out it in AN ethernet cable, just not one being used for 
Ethernet!
-- 
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They 
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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#90895 — Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones)

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-30 13:49 +0200
SubjectRe: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones)
Message-ID<nfijltF3glU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90850
On 2026-08-29 23:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/08/2026 12:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style 
>>>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very 
>>>>>> well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack 
>>>>>> fits perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin 
>>>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to 
>>>>> go at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not 
>>>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, 
>>>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is 
>>>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have 
>>>>> seen this setup actually used.
>>>>>
>>>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring'
>>>>
>>>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original 
>>>> Ethernet.
>>>>
>>>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an 
>>>> Ethernet switch.
>>>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket
>>>>
>>>> I wired my house that way.
>>> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone 
>>> outlets. When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the 
>>> living room, and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a 
>>> second (modem) phone line into my home office, which happened to be 
>>> right next to the telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just 
>>> drilled a hole right through the wall.
>>>
>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify 
>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a 
>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax)
>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring 
>>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That 
>>> has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is 
>>> long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable 
>>> service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>>
>>
>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the 
>> phone in the ethernet cable.
>>
> But you could out it in AN ethernet cable, just not one being used for 
> Ethernet!

I put the ethernet (I can't see the type, it was painted over, but cat 5 
or 6) and another cable specific for phone, which is not used.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#90936 — Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-31 01:07 -0400
SubjectRe: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones)
Message-ID<Z7ycnRGes6xolgj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90895
On 8/30/26 07:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-29 23:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/08/2026 12:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style 
>>>>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very 
>>>>>>> well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack 
>>>>>>> fits perfectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin 
>>>>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to 
>>>>>> go at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not 
>>>>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, 
>>>>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is 
>>>>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have 
>>>>>> seen this setup actually used.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring'
>>>>>
>>>>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original 
>>>>> Ethernet.
>>>>>
>>>>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an 
>>>>> Ethernet switch.
>>>>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket
>>>>>
>>>>> I wired my house that way.
>>>> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone 
>>>> outlets. When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the 
>>>> living room, and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a 
>>>> second (modem) phone line into my home office, which happened to be 
>>>> right next to the telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just 
>>>> drilled a hole right through the wall.
>>>>
>>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify 
>>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a 
>>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the 
>>>> coax)
>>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my 
>>>> wiring closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. 
>>>> That has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone 
>>>> service is long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax 
>>>> cable service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the 
>>> phone in the ethernet cable.
>>>
>> But you could out it in AN ethernet cable, just not one being used for 
>> Ethernet!
> 
> I put the ethernet (I can't see the type, it was painted over, but cat 5 
> or 6) and another cable specific for phone, which is not used.


   Pretty much ALL "phone" will work perfectly over
   Cat-3, often Cat-2.

   It's just a lower-speed tech.

   No, NOT pissing on it at all. HAS it's place.
   Never easily surrender last-gen tech - it's
   usually more robust.

   Traditional "phone" on Ethernet ... our old
   provider did that, but only on the wiring level.
   It was not a TCP/IP replacement. Normal PBX.

   NOW, different.

   Also "more vulnerable" Just Because.

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