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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400 |
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What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Power lines "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:28 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:47 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:20 +0100
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:43 +0200
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-30 15:49 +0000
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:23 +0200
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 02:55 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:41 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 03:49 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:17 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:12 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:04 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 00:43 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:21 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:01 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 02:09 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:11 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 03:47 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:56 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:54 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:43 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000
[OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100
Salmonella (Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:28 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:27 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:29 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:37 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:41 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 02:37 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-01 06:26 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-31 17:07 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:20 -0400
[OT] Personal safety in the USA (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 10:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:04 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfgsafFprcuU53@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90812 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't > aware of that. Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration the biases and you may glimpse the real story. For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot headline was "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest attacks" https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high explosives meant for Russian, blew up. Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce than target heavily defended legitimate sites.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116vlrh$3j6fu$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90838 |
On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >> aware of that. > > Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either > government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration > the biases and you may glimpse the real story. > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. Probably the two best commentators are - surprisingly - Americans . Jake Broe and Paul Warburg on you tube. The Ukra8inin commentators are unsurprisingly more partisan > For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot > headline was > > "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest > attacks" > > https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv > > Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the > Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly > citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot > were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high > explosives meant for Russian, blew up. > I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with no regard for civilian life. Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens > Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made > such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed > when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential > neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. > The problem is that the Russian kit is simply not accurate, They may claim they are after a military target in the Donbas but it overshot and landed on a block of flats in Kyiv. I personally don't believe them. Its pure terrorism. > You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's > heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the > success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave > Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential > areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce > than target heavily defended legitimate sites. > Accuracy in WWII was to the nearest two miles. Ukrainian drones are hitting individual aircraft on runways and individual distillation towers in oil plants and individual Wildberry warehouses. Usually if there is any collateral damage it's because the drones were disabled first and debris fell on civilian areas. Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning in Ukraine'. But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all Wildberries warehouses are gone. Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not going to change that. Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after the war is over. -- It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfh626FprcuU66@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90858 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 18:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1171nog$7umf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90868 |
On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. > > You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff -- Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjbflFprcuU73@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90912 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>> stuff. >> >> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. > > Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 00:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1172f66$fo66$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90917 |
On 30/08/2026 19:35, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>> stuff. >>> >>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >> >> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff > > The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that have > been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. If you wanted that you should not have guaranteed the Ukrainians defence against Russia when they gave up all their nuclear weapons. But we have come to understand that America never makes promises it intends to keep. -- If I had all the money I've spent on drink... ..I'd spend it on drink. Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfk6q1FprcuU82@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90928 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 00:43:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 30/08/2026 19:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>> stuff. >>>> >>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>> >>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >> >> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. > > If you wanted that you should not have guaranteed the Ukrainians defence > against Russia when they gave up all their nuclear weapons. Generic you noted. Trust me, the policies of the US government do not reflect my wishes. > But we have come to understand that America never makes promises it > intends to keep. It's not trustworthy over the course of one administration let alone successive administrations with differing goals that will reverse the last one's policies. If you want long term stability a representative democracy is not the way to go.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1173oph$s37s$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90932 |
On 31/08/2026 03:21, rbowman wrote: > It's not trustworthy over the course of one administration let alone > successive administrations with differing goals that will reverse the last > one's policies. If you want long term stability a representative democracy > is not the way to go. But on the other hand, business and prosperity require the mutual adoption of a set of rules that transcend the issues of immediate profit. E.g a nation that routinely confiscates goods destined for its citizens, will find that it is not profitable to do business with. It becomes isolated. You might call it North Korea. Businesses that do not keep to handshake contracts require legal ones and the means to enforce them,. At some point that makes them too expensive to do business with. Yes, I was all ready to sue the Ford Motor Company when unexpectedly they paid up. I had known people who had worked for them, so I was ready. Nations that think that everybody has to do business with them no matter what tariffs they impose, run by someone who pretends he was actually a business man, rather than a failed small time bully in the real estate business,are in for a shock. If you want to do business, you need a stable environment. Democracy or otherwise. That means keeping your word, to build trust and respect. No one trusts or respects the USA any more. Even Iran's leadership is laughing. But they don't have commercial ties. The rest of us are quietly untying them. -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wwv33vuem36.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #90928 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 30/08/2026 19:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>> stuff. >>>> >>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>> >>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >> >> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. > > If you wanted that you should not have guaranteed the Ukrainians > defence against Russia when they gave up all their nuclear weapons. I think this is in reference to the 1994 Trilateral Statement, which is not a particularly strong security assurance: it only applies in cases where nuclear weapons are used and the commitment is only to seek UN Security Council action. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/30922-document-10-january-14-trilateral-statement-january-14-1994 (The flaw should have been apparent even at the time: Russia would veto any proposed UNSC action after nuking Ukraine.) > But we have come to understand that America never makes promises it > intends to keep. Unless there are further assurances somewhere, I don’t think the USA has broken a promise here by limiting its support for Ukraine (just made a serious mistake). -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 13:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1173qfb$s37s$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90949 |
On 31/08/2026 09:22, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 30/08/2026 19:35, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>>> stuff. >>>>> >>>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>>> >>>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >>> >>> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >>> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. >> >> If you wanted that you should not have guaranteed the Ukrainians >> defence against Russia when they gave up all their nuclear weapons. > > I think this is in reference to the 1994 Trilateral Statement, which is > not a particularly strong security assurance: it only applies in cases > where nuclear weapons are used and the commitment is only to seek UN > Security Council action. > > https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/30922-document-10-january-14-trilateral-statement-january-14-1994 > > (The flaw should have been apparent even at the time: Russia would veto > any proposed UNSC action after nuking Ukraine.) > Nuclear weapons was not a primary objective to the Budapest memorandum. In it Belaurs Ukraine and Khazakstan were guaranteed independence provided they played nice with Russia. Only Russian propgandists claim that the nuclear attack was all that was contained within it >> But we have come to understand that America never makes promises it >> intends to keep. > > Unless there are further assurances somewhere, I don’t think the USA has > broken a promise here by limiting its support for Ukraine (just made a > serious mistake). > Well it depends on how explicit the promises were. The West has allowed the USA to sell it arms and run its defence policy on the understanding that all that money spent on US kit and US bases would actually mean something when the shit hit the fan, and that it would be supported, and work, if a threat to NATO countries were apparent. It turns out that like so much US hardware, it was junk, and would only work if the parent company let it, and could only be serviced by the parent company at huge expense. Think John Deere. Think Microsoft. And all that came out because a corrupt president who owed the Russians his whole existence, used his powers to stop it being used. We are thankful we got the message before it got any further. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnQ2es6zluwj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90917 |
On 8/30/26 14:35, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>> stuff. >>> >>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >> >> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff > > The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that have > been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. ?Que? Swedes never really became Rus - at least not for 1500+ years. Different cultures. Different 'takes'. Those who became Rus - SUPER hard-asses. Never, ever, discount what they're willing do do for power/dominance. We've SEEN that in the 20th century, even a little before. Suffer massive MASSIVE casualties and pain to EVENTUALLY destroy the Foe. NEVER assume the Rus will act in what most of the world thinks is a 'sane' manner. That is not their culture and history. Vlad has burned up at LEAST half a million in his war against Ukraine. Russians don't even blink at that. Russia is NOT the UK or USA. HARD-asses in the old meaning.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 12:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1173pkt$s37s$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90942 |
On 31/08/2026 08:00, c186282 wrote: > NEVER assume the Rus will act in what most of the world thinks is a > 'sane' manner. That is not their culture and history. > No, > Vlad has burned up at LEAST half a million in his war against > Ukraine. Dead, yes, permanently disabled, probably another million. He's walked through every cold war tank he ever had, He has gone cap in hand to the N. Koreans for out of date artillery shells. His whole black sea fleet is destroyed and the ports in the sea of Azov are burning. He is down to his last AWACS aircraft. 50% of his oil refineries are off line., 40% of his biggest logistics firm is destroyed. China is quietly building businesses and towns in his far east. > Russians don't even blink at that. Russia is NOT the UK or USA. HE doesn't blink. Russians simply don't know until it affects them personally. It's safer to believe what they are told and look the other way. And no one comes back from the front lines if it can be helped. They are recycled with horrendous wounds until they die, mostly. They aren't allowed mobile phones any more. The internet has been disabled officially. The banking system is teetering on the edge of total collapse. But they are being told that they are winning. Democracy has a lot of problems, but its not THAT bad -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 18:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nflvtrFtomiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90942 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:00:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 8/30/26 14:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>> stuff. >>>> >>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>> >>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >> >> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. > > ?Que? > > Swedes never really became Rus - at least not for 1500+ years. Ass end backwards, as usual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 02:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KomcnSWtk4rX8Qv3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90974 |
On 8/31/26 14:36, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:00:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 8/30/26 14:35, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>>> stuff. >>>>> >>>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>>> >>>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >>> >>> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >>> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. >> >> ?Que? >> >> Swedes never really became Rus - at least not for 1500+ years. > > Ass end backwards, as usual. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians Proto-Rus/Scandis migrated up along the Caucuses about 15+ thousand years ago, following the melting ice-age glaciers. Some went east, some went west. There was considerable east/west cross-pollination for a long time. Really NOT much genetic diff between Swedes and Finns and today's Russians. Some shared cultural stuff too ... at least up thru the "Viking Age". The Rus became MUCH more hard-ass though and, important note, REMAIN so.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 07:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfnc5jFtomiU13@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90987 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 02:09:57 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Really NOT much genetic diff between Swedes and Finns and today's > Russians. Some shared cultural stuff too ... at least up thru the > "Viking Age" Finns are a geneticist's dream, and not in a good way. https://www.discovermagazine.com/finlands-fascinating-genes-1282 Culturally Finland is quite different. Supposedly Tolkein pattern some of the language in the LOTR on Finnish since it was so different from the western Germanic languages. He also drew from the Kalevala, which again differs from the Germanic corpus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 03:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <WMecncmyfJuMHgv3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90991 |
On 9/1/26 03:11, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 02:09:57 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Really NOT much genetic diff between Swedes and Finns and today's >> Russians. Some shared cultural stuff too ... at least up thru the >> "Viking Age" > > Finns are a geneticist's dream, and not in a good way. Well, Right NOW, they aren't Rus. 50/100 years, who knows. > https://www.discovermagazine.com/finlands-fascinating-genes-1282 > > Culturally Finland is quite different. Supposedly Tolkein pattern some of > the language in the LOTR on Finnish since it was so different from the > western Germanic languages. He also drew from the Kalevala, which again > differs from the Germanic corpus. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala Again, 50/100 years - Who Knows ? "Finland" WAS Russia for a LONG time. Right now it seems pretty moderate - but that MAY not last.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 13:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1176i17$1o1ba$23@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90995 |
On 01/09/2026 08:47, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/1/26 03:11, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 02:09:57 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> Really NOT much genetic diff between Swedes and Finns and today's
>>> Russians. Some shared cultural stuff too ... at least up thru the
>>> "Viking Age"
>>
>> Finns are a geneticist's dream, and not in a good way.
>
> Well, Right NOW, they aren't Rus.
>
> 50/100 years, who knows.
People who do the research that you fail to do.
>
>> https://www.discovermagazine.com/finlands-fascinating-genes-1282
>>
>> Culturally Finland is quite different. Supposedly Tolkein pattern some of
>> the language in the LOTR on Finnish since it was so different from the
>> western Germanic languages. He also drew from the Kalevala, which again
>> differs from the Germanic corpus.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala
>
> Again, 50/100 years - Who Knows ?
>
People who do the research that you fail to do.
> "Finland" WAS Russia for a LONG time.
>
Not really
> Right now it seems pretty moderate - but
> that MAY not last.
>
The Finns are a great people They should invade Russia themselves. They
would make a far better fist of running it.
>
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 13:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1176htk$1o1ba$22@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90987 |
On 01/09/2026 07:09, c186282 wrote:
> Really NOT much genetic diff between Swedes
> and Finns and today's Russians. Some shared
> cultural stuff too ... at least up thru the
> "Viking Age".
Wrong. Russia marks the westerrnmost extent of the Mongol Empire, and
Russia is not just Moscow and St Petersburg (though it might as well be)
Russia extends all the way to the pacific and is split into two main
ethnicities - maybe three - once east of the Urals. The ice dwelling
northern Tundra peoples, the central Mongolian type steppe dwellers and
the chinese descendants in the south east.
Further south it shades into the middle eastern Turkic peoples of the
'stans..
Under the Tsars, who westernized, the serfs remained in their place.
The Russian revolution stirred things up and some of the serfs started
to get power. And now we have the whole political apparatus run by a
fairly primitive man. The heir to Ghengis Khan.
When you deal with Putin, you are not dealing with a sophisticated
Western mind, you are dealing with a ruthless savage and cunning mind
that has no respect for western culture at all - and indeed fears it as
essentially capable of destroying him and his whole apparatus of repression.
The one saving grace is that he is cunning, not really intelligent. Just
like the Donald
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 13:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1176h8m$1o1ba$21@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90974 |
On 31/08/2026 19:36, rbowman wrote: >> Swedes never really became Rus - at least not for 1500+ years. > > Ass end backwards, as usual. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians > Well that was a long time ago. Russians today *look* different. Mad Bad Vlad has a distinctly Asian look. As do many of his compatriots, and indeed people in Estonia and other neighbouring countries. Whereas the Slavic peoples of eastern Europe and Scandinavia look - different. as do the more Germanic people of western Europe, let alone the Mediterranean peoples Western Russia is where the Mongol Hordes were finally checked. Ultimately they comprised more Turkic peoples than Mongolian, at least in the West. As far as China is concerned they were in fact mongol/chinese. Most people have realised that Putins oligarchs simply do not *think* the same way that westerners do. And the ones that did are now somewhere else keeping their heads down The Slavic peoples are the buffer zone. Ukraine Belarus some parts of west Russia, then Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs, Kashubians, and Silesians. And further south Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Slovenes, Bosniaks, Macedonians, and Montenegrins. These people, who were all part of the USSR, all chose not to be when the chance came. While Russia may indeed carry some of that culture, it also carries the culture of Ghengis Khan, the man who built the biggest land empire the world has ever seen through violence, murder and ethnic cleansing. Putin fancies himself as that man. -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <117063i$uv0v$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90858 |
30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>> aware of that. >> >> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >> > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. > > Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. Hello from Russia. It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. >> For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot >> headline was >> >> "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest >> attacks" >> >> https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv >> >> Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the >> Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly >> citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot >> were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high >> explosives meant for Russian, blew up. >> > I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. > > The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with no regard for civilian life. > > Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens Circumspect? They tried to bomb ME with drone on 6 aug 2024 near Sudzha, when I was evacuating my mother from her house. They surely know that while Volkswagen Polo is a civilian car, I saw their recon drones for last two days near her house flying here and there. Gladly, my car was in perfect condition and I was able to push to 140+kmh speed to evade that drone, which suddenly "reselected" it's target and bombed... Harvester! Such a military target! I was right near wheat field and saw it by my own eyes, between Dolgie Budy and Bushmeno. >> Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made >> such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed >> when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential >> neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. >> > The problem is that the Russian kit is simply not accurate, They may claim they are after a military target in the Donbas but it overshot and landed on a block of flats in Kyiv. > I personally don't believe them. Its pure terrorism. And then you'll look at pictures and MOST casualties wearing military form. Or even "better" - Ukraine tries to intercept drone/rocket, but Patriot, built 25+ years before, made a strike in a civilian house. Plenty of reports about Russia hitting civilian building with Iskander/Oreshnik/you_name_it, but photos images much less powerful weapon, like anti-airborne missiles. >> You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's >> heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the >> success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave >> Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential >> areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce >> than target heavily defended legitimate sites. >> > Accuracy in WWII was to the nearest two miles. Ukrainian drones are hitting individual aircraft on runways and individual distillation towers in oil plants and individual Wildberry warehouses. > > Usually if there is any collateral damage it's because the drones were disabled first and debris fell on civilian areas. > > Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! > Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning in Ukraine'. But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all Wildberries warehouses are gone. > Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement isn't a problem at all. 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. 3. Wildberries still delivering without problems, but I prefer OZON. Plenty of their (Wildberries) cars on roads, and big warehouse near my city is working fine. 4. And I can pay for everything everywhere with bank card/MIR Pay/QR code. In Ashan, Lenta or small SELPO shop in 150km from Ekaterinburg. > Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not going to change that. > > Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after the war is over. Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be very surprised. And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. And WHY this thread still in comp.os.linux.*? Seriously, move it to politics related group. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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