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| First post | 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400 |
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What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Power lines "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:28 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:47 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:20 +0100
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:43 +0200
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-30 15:49 +0000
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:23 +0200
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 00:43 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:21 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:01 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000
[OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100
Salmonella (Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:28 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:27 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:29 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:37 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:41 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfj7hpF3glU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90871 |
On 2026-08-30 01:06, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:20:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that
>> eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not
>> (I don't know about the EU).
>
> https://scientificdiscoveries.ars.usda.gov/tellus/stories/articles/how-we-
> store-our-eggs-and-why
>
> Washing eggs is relatively new in the US, 'relatively new' meaning 'in my
> adult life'.
>
> Back in Ye Olde Days eggs were preserved by packing them in wood ash or
> submerging them in water glass (sodium silicate). Supposedly they were
> good for a year or more.
WOW! I never heard of that.
> Cynically, if you want to sell refrigerators to Eskimos and the American
> housewife you first have to convince them food will rot if not
> refrigerated within 15 minutes.
{Chuckle}
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Q_SdnfotHplohgj3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90915 |
On 8/30/26 13:28, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-30 01:06, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:20:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that >>> eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not >>> (I don't know about the EU). >> >> https://scientificdiscoveries.ars.usda.gov/tellus/stories/articles/ >> how-we- >> store-our-eggs-and-why >> >> Washing eggs is relatively new in the US, 'relatively new' meaning 'in my >> adult life'. >> >> Back in Ye Olde Days eggs were preserved by packing them in wood ash or >> submerging them in water glass (sodium silicate). Supposedly they were >> good for a year or more. > > WOW! I never heard of that. "Wood ash", even I'd never heard of THAT. Wonder how well it worked. Sodium Silicate - yea, it WILL work - kinda "seals the pores". Taste WILL drop off though. Oxygen won't be completely blocked.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116vkh0$3j6fu$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90833 |
On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: > As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): > > Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU > would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a waiver > to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. EU rules are already looser than UK ones. > When this led to > problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not yet so in the UK. No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, but there are cases in many EU countries too. And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on fowl, ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the protective covering off them. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 09:28 -0700 |
| Subject | Salmonella (Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) |
| Message-ID | <1171lnf$7art$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90854 |
On 2026-08-29 14:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): >> >> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU >> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. > > EU rules are already looser than UK ones. > >> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >> yet so in the UK. > > No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have > tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, > but there are cases in many EU countries too. > > And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on fowl, > ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the > shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with > disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. > > Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the > protective covering off them. This is true, but also chickens infected with salmonella may shed bacteria INSIDE the eggs. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 19:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfj7g4F3glU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90854 |
On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong):
>>
>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU
>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a
>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war.
>
> EU rules are already looser than UK ones.
>
>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not
>> yet so in the UK.
>
> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have
> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases,
> but there are cases in many EU countries too.
>
> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on fowl,
> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the
> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with
> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter.
What disinfectant do they use?
>
> Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the
> protective covering off them.
Cracking them open needs following a procedure or it turns out
dangerous, too.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjb7gFprcuU72@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90914 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 19:27:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am >>> wrong): >>> >>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU >>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >> >> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >> >>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >>> yet so in the UK. >> >> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >> >> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >> fowl, >> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the >> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with >> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. > > What disinfectant do they use? https://www.eggcartons.com/products/egg-wash-powder-8lbs The detailed government list requires an advanced chemistry degree to translate it into English or Spanish. It's mostly ammonia, chlorine, or iodine compounds. Backyard chicken farmers use dish washing liquid, vinegar, bleach (chlorine) or similar cleaning products. Aside: keeping chickens in the city requires a $30 license that's good for three years.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfjelvF3giU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90916 |
On 2026-08-30 20:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 19:27:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am
>>>> wrong):
>>>>
>>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU
>>>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a
>>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war.
>>>
>>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones.
>>>
>>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not
>>>> yet so in the UK.
>>>
>>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have
>>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases,
>>> but there are cases in many EU countries too.
>>>
>>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on
>>> fowl,
>>> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the
>>> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with
>>> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter.
>>
>> What disinfectant do they use?
>
> https://www.eggcartons.com/products/egg-wash-powder-8lbs
>
> The detailed government list requires an advanced chemistry degree to
> translate it into English or Spanish. It's mostly ammonia, chlorine, or
> iodine compounds. Backyard chicken farmers use dish washing liquid,
> vinegar, bleach (chlorine) or similar cleaning products.
>
> Aside: keeping chickens in the city requires a $30 license that's good for
> three years.
Heh.
I asked because I wash the eggs at home, with a few drops of bleach in a
water bowl. Then I refrigerate them. My father was doing that, without
bleach, since before I was born. Me, I decided that the procedures
recommended here to store and handle unwashed eggs in the kitchen were
too complicated, so I would wash them.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjfejFprcuU79@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90923 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:30:07 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I asked because I wash the eggs at home, with a few drops of bleach in a > water bowl. Then I refrigerate them. My father was doing that, without > bleach, since before I was born. Me, I decided that the procedures > recommended here to store and handle unwashed eggs in the kitchen were > too complicated, so I would wash them. My parents kept chickens but they'd wrapped up the operation when I was very young. They came in handy during the war (II) when you could trade eggs for sugar or other rationed items. However they also attracted rats and other vermin. My mother had a thing about rats and mice. A family legend was the day she saw a rat and blew it away with her shotgun. Unfortunately the rat was sitting on a five gallon can of oil, which was another rationed item.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfjg9jF3glU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90926 |
On 2026-08-30 21:43, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:30:07 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I asked because I wash the eggs at home, with a few drops of bleach in a
>> water bowl. Then I refrigerate them. My father was doing that, without
>> bleach, since before I was born. Me, I decided that the procedures
>> recommended here to store and handle unwashed eggs in the kitchen were
>> too complicated, so I would wash them.
>
> My parents kept chickens but they'd wrapped up the operation when I was
> very young. They came in handy during the war (II) when you could trade
> eggs for sugar or other rationed items. However they also attracted rats
> and other vermin. My mother had a thing about rats and mice. A family
> legend was the day she saw a rat and blew it away with her shotgun.
> Unfortunately the rat was sitting on a five gallon can of oil, which was
> another rationed item.
Here, my father went on the queue to get his tobacco ration. He did not
smoke, but he then used the tobacco to barter for something he needed,
like eggs.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfk7kcFprcuU83@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90927 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:57:39 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Here, my father went on the queue to get his tobacco ration. He did not > smoke, but he then used the tobacco to barter for something he needed, > like eggs. That works. US military ration packs included cigarettes up until some time in the '70s. More chocolate for the non-smokers.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnRKes6ycuQj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90916 |
On 8/30/26 14:31, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 19:27:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am >>>> wrong): >>>> >>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU >>>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >>> >>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >>> >>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >>>> yet so in the UK. >>> >>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >>> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >>> >>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >>> fowl, >>> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the >>> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with >>> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. >> >> What disinfectant do they use? > > https://www.eggcartons.com/products/egg-wash-powder-8lbs > > The detailed government list requires an advanced chemistry degree to > translate it into English or Spanish. It's mostly ammonia, chlorine, or > iodine compounds. Backyard chicken farmers use dish washing liquid, > vinegar, bleach (chlorine) or similar cleaning products. Those ARE good - but only for the Short Term. LONGER term - more aggressive methods are needed. BEST bet, pre-boiled eggs, then dipped in sodium silicate solution to 'seal the pores'. But usual consumers aren't gonna find that - it's more the 'survival' clique. From long back I've bought, tested, "preserved" food. Always SOME disaster looming. MREs are good for a few years, maybe 'edible' for seven to ten in best cases. The TASTE falls off badly after just a few years. Dehydrated has kinda poor taste regardless, but will KEEP what it's got for maybe a decade. It's my pref. You can live on it. LAST bought just before COVID, for obvious reasons. WAS a real chance of a supply-chain collapse. Didn't really happen, but COULD have happened. So ... Now ... maybe have to buy for the NEXT ten years. Unknown/undefined issues. At basic, be prepared for three to four weeks of a supply-chain disaster. Going beyond that will likely be a waste, but LESS than that and you may SUFFER. A month's worth of basics is pretty easy and cheap. Some CANNED foods - tuna, corned beef and a few others - are also good investments. "Spam", hate it or hate it, DO keep a few cans ! They last almost forever. Hmmm ... had an uncle, WW-2, who kinda had to LIVE on "Shit On a Shingle" for a long time. Could not STAND to even THINK about it the rest of his life :-) > Aside: keeping chickens in the city requires a $30 license that's good for > three years. Ummmm ... WHICH city ? Not all are so, well, asshole. Note there ARE forces, both 'right' and 'left', who WANT Joe Average to be 101% dependent on govt food supply. Gives them POWER. A LOT of power. LOVE BIG BROTHER - or STARVE !!! No, NOT old literary bullshit anymore. How fuckin' SAD !!! So fuckin' HORRIBLE.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nflvgmFtomiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90941 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 02:50:12 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hmmm ... had an uncle, WW-2, who kinda had to LIVE on "Shit On a > Shingle" for a long time. Could not STAND to even THINK about it the > rest of his life Somewhere along the line the dried beef got replaced with ground beef. https://partypinching.com/sos-army-hamburger-gravy/ Tasty. My father reminisced about Cream of Wheat. Every morning the mess hall cooks made vats of the stuff which was transferred directly to garbage cans after the mess.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnROes6wWiwj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90914 |
On 8/30/26 13:27, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): >>> >>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, >>> EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >> >> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >> >>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >>> yet so in the UK. >> >> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >> >> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >> fowl, ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, >> BUT the shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash >> them with disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. > > What disinfectant do they use? USA ... chlorinated water is the primary, and pretty effective. disinfectant. UK seem to say that's just AWFUL, but never really explains WHY. Suspect 'trade' issues, not 'science'. >> >> Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the >> protective covering off them. > > Cracking them open needs following a procedure or it turns out > dangerous, too. Depends. Sodium Silicate sealed eggs - they're gonna be pretty safe for a long time. However the FLAVOR drops off. Eggs 'preserved' by other methods - may NOT last as long. On the whole, I'd rec NEW eggs as much as possible rather than relying on any 'preservation' method. To kill salmonella and such, DO revive said eggs at a kinda high initial temperature method. Boiling, microwave, pressure-cooker. Did take a couple bacteriology classes back in the day ... you don't even WANNA know what nasties are Out There ......... Yes, 'nature' IS Out To Get Us. The germs are THE primary lifeform. Alien probes would report that, saying "single-celled" life - with just a tiny smattering of multi-cellular, dominates this planet. In short we're all GERM FOOD. Did you have any hubris here ? DUMP IT ! "Flavor" aside ... look into freeze-dried food for "survival". TASTE may not be so great but you CAN eat it for a long time.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <dm2gmmxnbu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #90939 |
On 2026-08-31 07:52, c186282 wrote: > On 8/30/26 13:27, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): >>>> >>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, >>>> EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >>> >>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >>> >>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but >>>> not yet so in the UK. >>> >>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >>> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >>> >>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >>> fowl, ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, >>> BUT the shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash >>> them with disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated >>> thereafter. >> >> What disinfectant do they use? > >  USA ... chlorinated water is the primary, and >  pretty effective. disinfectant. > >  UK seem to say that's just AWFUL, but never >  really explains WHY. > >  Suspect 'trade' issues, not 'science'. Food Experts here consider washing eggs anatema. > >>> >>> Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the >>> protective covering off them. >> >> Cracking them open needs following a procedure or it turns out >> dangerous, too. > >  Depends. No, I'm talking of unwashed eggs. > >  Sodium Silicate sealed eggs - they're gonna be >  pretty safe for a long time. However the FLAVOR >  drops off. > >  Eggs 'preserved' by other methods - may NOT last >  as long. > >  On the whole, I'd rec NEW eggs as much as possible >  rather than relying on any 'preservation' method. > >  To kill salmonella and such, DO revive said eggs >  at a kinda high initial temperature method. Boiling, >  microwave, pressure-cooker. > >  Did take a couple bacteriology classes back in >  the day ... you don't even WANNA know what nasties >  are Out There ......... > >  Yes, 'nature' IS Out To Get Us. The germs are >  THE primary lifeform. Alien probes would report >  that, saying "single-celled" life - with just >  a tiny smattering of multi-cellular, dominates >  this planet. In short we're all GERM FOOD. > >  Did you have any hubris here ? DUMP IT ! > >  "Flavor" aside ... look into freeze-dried >  food for "survival". TASTE may not be so >  great but you CAN eat it for a long time. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 12:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1173p1c$s37s$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90939 |
On 31/08/2026 06:52, c186282 wrote: > On 8/30/26 13:27, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): >>>> >>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, >>>> EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >>> >>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >>> >>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but >>>> not yet so in the UK. >>> >>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >>> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >>> >>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >>> fowl, ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, >>> BUT the shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash >>> them with disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated >>> thereafter. >> >> What disinfectant do they use? > > Â USA ... chlorinated water is the primary, and > Â pretty effective. disinfectant. > > Â UK seem to say that's just AWFUL, but never > Â really explains WHY. > Because the UK looks after its fowls so they don't need this/ > Â Suspect 'trade' issues, not 'science'. > In the US, yes. Its cheaper to keep chickens in such density so they are trampled by each other pecked by each other and covered with their own piss and shit,m and then chlorinate them afterwards. >>> >>> Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the >>> protective covering off them. >> >> Cracking them open needs following a procedure or it turns out >> dangerous, too. > > Â Depends. > > Â Sodium Silicate sealed eggs - they're gonna be > Â pretty safe for a long time. However the FLAVOR > Â drops off. > > Â Eggs 'preserved' by other methods - may NOT last > Â as long. > > Â On the whole, I'd rec NEW eggs as much as possible > Â rather than relying on any 'preservation' method. > > Â To kill salmonella and such, DO revive said eggs > Â at a kinda high initial temperature method. Boiling, > Â microwave, pressure-cooker. > UK eggs are not washed in anything and are not refrigerated and can be eaten raw. > Â Did take a couple bacteriology classes back in > Â the day ... you don't even WANNA know what nasties > Â are Out There ......... > We all did -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ophlS.21796$I1t6.2557@fx43.iad> |
| In reply to | #90959 |
On 2026-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > In the US, yes. Its cheaper to keep chickens in such density so they are > trampled by each other pecked by each other and covered with their own > piss and shit,m and then chlorinate them afterwards. Sounds like typical urban planning. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 18:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfm06mFtomiU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90965 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 15:50:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> In the US, yes. Its cheaper to keep chickens in such density so they >> are trampled by each other pecked by each other and covered with their >> own piss and shit,m and then chlorinate them afterwards. > > Sounds like typical urban planning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink The planners used Calhoun's rat utopia design without reading the rest of the study.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116vk4f$3j6fu$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90820 |
On 29/08/2026 12:58, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: >>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? >> >> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules >> > > What's the difference? > Relaxed standards for Eastern European countries. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nfb3gqF7jarU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90487 |
c186282 wrote: > GoogleEarth showed large quantities of "blue tarp" roofs there for > YEARS 🙂 > > BUT, Laura Bush DID show up to distribute water bottles and MREs ! I though that was Waffle House's job?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wxednY4-Uqqhaw33nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90687 |
On 8/27/26 11:32, Andy Burns wrote: > > c186282 wrote: > >> GoogleEarth showed large quantities of "blue tarp" roofs there for >> YEARS 🙂 >> >> BUT, Laura Bush DID show up to distribute water bottles and MREs ! > > I though that was Waffle House's job? As I remember, the nearest WH had been trashed. BAD storms ! By popular convention, no WH = no civilization.
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