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What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Power lines "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:28 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:47 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:20 +0100
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:43 +0200
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-30 15:49 +0000
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:23 +0200
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 00:43 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:21 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000
[OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100
Salmonella (Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:28 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:27 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjb7gFprcuU72@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90914 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 19:27:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am >>> wrong): >>> >>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU >>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >> >> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >> >>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >>> yet so in the UK. >> >> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >> >> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >> fowl, >> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the >> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with >> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. > > What disinfectant do they use? https://www.eggcartons.com/products/egg-wash-powder-8lbs The detailed government list requires an advanced chemistry degree to translate it into English or Spanish. It's mostly ammonia, chlorine, or iodine compounds. Backyard chicken farmers use dish washing liquid, vinegar, bleach (chlorine) or similar cleaning products. Aside: keeping chickens in the city requires a $30 license that's good for three years.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfjelvF3giU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90916 |
On 2026-08-30 20:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 19:27:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am
>>>> wrong):
>>>>
>>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU
>>>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a
>>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war.
>>>
>>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones.
>>>
>>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not
>>>> yet so in the UK.
>>>
>>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have
>>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases,
>>> but there are cases in many EU countries too.
>>>
>>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on
>>> fowl,
>>> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the
>>> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with
>>> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter.
>>
>> What disinfectant do they use?
>
> https://www.eggcartons.com/products/egg-wash-powder-8lbs
>
> The detailed government list requires an advanced chemistry degree to
> translate it into English or Spanish. It's mostly ammonia, chlorine, or
> iodine compounds. Backyard chicken farmers use dish washing liquid,
> vinegar, bleach (chlorine) or similar cleaning products.
>
> Aside: keeping chickens in the city requires a $30 license that's good for
> three years.
Heh.
I asked because I wash the eggs at home, with a few drops of bleach in a
water bowl. Then I refrigerate them. My father was doing that, without
bleach, since before I was born. Me, I decided that the procedures
recommended here to store and handle unwashed eggs in the kitchen were
too complicated, so I would wash them.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjfejFprcuU79@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90923 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:30:07 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I asked because I wash the eggs at home, with a few drops of bleach in a > water bowl. Then I refrigerate them. My father was doing that, without > bleach, since before I was born. Me, I decided that the procedures > recommended here to store and handle unwashed eggs in the kitchen were > too complicated, so I would wash them. My parents kept chickens but they'd wrapped up the operation when I was very young. They came in handy during the war (II) when you could trade eggs for sugar or other rationed items. However they also attracted rats and other vermin. My mother had a thing about rats and mice. A family legend was the day she saw a rat and blew it away with her shotgun. Unfortunately the rat was sitting on a five gallon can of oil, which was another rationed item.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfjg9jF3glU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90926 |
On 2026-08-30 21:43, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:30:07 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I asked because I wash the eggs at home, with a few drops of bleach in a
>> water bowl. Then I refrigerate them. My father was doing that, without
>> bleach, since before I was born. Me, I decided that the procedures
>> recommended here to store and handle unwashed eggs in the kitchen were
>> too complicated, so I would wash them.
>
> My parents kept chickens but they'd wrapped up the operation when I was
> very young. They came in handy during the war (II) when you could trade
> eggs for sugar or other rationed items. However they also attracted rats
> and other vermin. My mother had a thing about rats and mice. A family
> legend was the day she saw a rat and blew it away with her shotgun.
> Unfortunately the rat was sitting on a five gallon can of oil, which was
> another rationed item.
Here, my father went on the queue to get his tobacco ration. He did not
smoke, but he then used the tobacco to barter for something he needed,
like eggs.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfk7kcFprcuU83@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90927 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:57:39 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Here, my father went on the queue to get his tobacco ration. He did not > smoke, but he then used the tobacco to barter for something he needed, > like eggs. That works. US military ration packs included cigarettes up until some time in the '70s. More chocolate for the non-smokers.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnRKes6ycuQj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90916 |
On 8/30/26 14:31, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 19:27:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am >>>> wrong): >>>> >>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU >>>> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >>> >>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >>> >>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >>>> yet so in the UK. >>> >>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >>> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >>> >>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >>> fowl, >>> ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, BUT the >>> shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash them with >>> disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. >> >> What disinfectant do they use? > > https://www.eggcartons.com/products/egg-wash-powder-8lbs > > The detailed government list requires an advanced chemistry degree to > translate it into English or Spanish. It's mostly ammonia, chlorine, or > iodine compounds. Backyard chicken farmers use dish washing liquid, > vinegar, bleach (chlorine) or similar cleaning products. Those ARE good - but only for the Short Term. LONGER term - more aggressive methods are needed. BEST bet, pre-boiled eggs, then dipped in sodium silicate solution to 'seal the pores'. But usual consumers aren't gonna find that - it's more the 'survival' clique. From long back I've bought, tested, "preserved" food. Always SOME disaster looming. MREs are good for a few years, maybe 'edible' for seven to ten in best cases. The TASTE falls off badly after just a few years. Dehydrated has kinda poor taste regardless, but will KEEP what it's got for maybe a decade. It's my pref. You can live on it. LAST bought just before COVID, for obvious reasons. WAS a real chance of a supply-chain collapse. Didn't really happen, but COULD have happened. So ... Now ... maybe have to buy for the NEXT ten years. Unknown/undefined issues. At basic, be prepared for three to four weeks of a supply-chain disaster. Going beyond that will likely be a waste, but LESS than that and you may SUFFER. A month's worth of basics is pretty easy and cheap. Some CANNED foods - tuna, corned beef and a few others - are also good investments. "Spam", hate it or hate it, DO keep a few cans ! They last almost forever. Hmmm ... had an uncle, WW-2, who kinda had to LIVE on "Shit On a Shingle" for a long time. Could not STAND to even THINK about it the rest of his life :-) > Aside: keeping chickens in the city requires a $30 license that's good for > three years. Ummmm ... WHICH city ? Not all are so, well, asshole. Note there ARE forces, both 'right' and 'left', who WANT Joe Average to be 101% dependent on govt food supply. Gives them POWER. A LOT of power. LOVE BIG BROTHER - or STARVE !!! No, NOT old literary bullshit anymore. How fuckin' SAD !!! So fuckin' HORRIBLE.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnROes6wWiwj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90914 |
On 8/30/26 13:27, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): >>> >>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, >>> EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >> >> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >> >>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not >>> yet so in the UK. >> >> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >> >> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >> fowl, ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, >> BUT the shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash >> them with disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated thereafter. > > What disinfectant do they use? USA ... chlorinated water is the primary, and pretty effective. disinfectant. UK seem to say that's just AWFUL, but never really explains WHY. Suspect 'trade' issues, not 'science'. >> >> Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the >> protective covering off them. > > Cracking them open needs following a procedure or it turns out > dangerous, too. Depends. Sodium Silicate sealed eggs - they're gonna be pretty safe for a long time. However the FLAVOR drops off. Eggs 'preserved' by other methods - may NOT last as long. On the whole, I'd rec NEW eggs as much as possible rather than relying on any 'preservation' method. To kill salmonella and such, DO revive said eggs at a kinda high initial temperature method. Boiling, microwave, pressure-cooker. Did take a couple bacteriology classes back in the day ... you don't even WANNA know what nasties are Out There ......... Yes, 'nature' IS Out To Get Us. The germs are THE primary lifeform. Alien probes would report that, saying "single-celled" life - with just a tiny smattering of multi-cellular, dominates this planet. In short we're all GERM FOOD. Did you have any hubris here ? DUMP IT ! "Flavor" aside ... look into freeze-dried food for "survival". TASTE may not be so great but you CAN eat it for a long time.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <dm2gmmxnbu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #90939 |
On 2026-08-31 07:52, c186282 wrote: > On 8/30/26 13:27, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-08-29 23:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 18:11, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): >>>> >>>> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, >>>> EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a >>>> waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. >>> >>> EU rules are already looser than UK ones. >>> >>>> When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but >>>> not yet so in the UK. >>> >>> No, the salmonella outbreak is not confined to the UK, We merely have >>> tougher medical reporting processes so we have identified more cases, >>> but there are cases in many EU countries too. >>> >>> And no, it is not about permitting or not permitting salmonella on >>> fowl, ALL chickens have filthy bottoms and all eggs have salmonella, >>> BUT the shells are microbial tight EXCEPT in the USA where they wash >>> them with disinfectant. And therefore need to be refrigerated >>> thereafter. >> >> What disinfectant do they use? > >  USA ... chlorinated water is the primary, and >  pretty effective. disinfectant. > >  UK seem to say that's just AWFUL, but never >  really explains WHY. > >  Suspect 'trade' issues, not 'science'. Food Experts here consider washing eggs anatema. > >>> >>> Eggs covered in salmonella are perfectly safe UNTIL you wash the >>> protective covering off them. >> >> Cracking them open needs following a procedure or it turns out >> dangerous, too. > >  Depends. No, I'm talking of unwashed eggs. > >  Sodium Silicate sealed eggs - they're gonna be >  pretty safe for a long time. However the FLAVOR >  drops off. > >  Eggs 'preserved' by other methods - may NOT last >  as long. > >  On the whole, I'd rec NEW eggs as much as possible >  rather than relying on any 'preservation' method. > >  To kill salmonella and such, DO revive said eggs >  at a kinda high initial temperature method. Boiling, >  microwave, pressure-cooker. > >  Did take a couple bacteriology classes back in >  the day ... you don't even WANNA know what nasties >  are Out There ......... > >  Yes, 'nature' IS Out To Get Us. The germs are >  THE primary lifeform. Alien probes would report >  that, saying "single-celled" life - with just >  a tiny smattering of multi-cellular, dominates >  this planet. In short we're all GERM FOOD. > >  Did you have any hubris here ? DUMP IT ! > >  "Flavor" aside ... look into freeze-dried >  food for "survival". TASTE may not be so >  great but you CAN eat it for a long time. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116vk4f$3j6fu$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90820 |
On 29/08/2026 12:58, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: >>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? >> >> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules >> > > What's the difference? > Relaxed standards for Eastern European countries. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nfb3gqF7jarU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90487 |
c186282 wrote: > GoogleEarth showed large quantities of "blue tarp" roofs there for > YEARS 🙂 > > BUT, Laura Bush DID show up to distribute water bottles and MREs ! I though that was Waffle House's job?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wxednY4-Uqqhaw33nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90687 |
On 8/27/26 11:32, Andy Burns wrote: > > c186282 wrote: > >> GoogleEarth showed large quantities of "blue tarp" roofs there for >> YEARS 🙂 >> >> BUT, Laura Bush DID show up to distribute water bottles and MREs ! > > I though that was Waffle House's job? As I remember, the nearest WH had been trashed. BAD storms ! By popular convention, no WH = no civilization.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <116498l$2l1f7$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90085 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 8/18/26 04:10, vallor wrote: >> At 18 Aug 2026 06:05:55 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 01:44:51 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Tried FFox and Chromium the past few days. The site is ULTRA-slow, >>>> useless. >>> >>> Brave browser. Went to the site, paged through the instructions, went to >>> the Cinnamon download, selected the Clarkson mirror, and the download >>> started immediately. Canceled the download. >>> >>> Like I've said before you have a lot more problems than the average bear. >> >> Well, his clock is off -- probably not enough to effect TLS, but >> figuring that out is above my current paygrade. >> >> Dear Mr. c-cipher, >> >> Please run: >> >> $ ntpdate -q time.nist.gov >> >> And post what you see. Mine says: >> >> 2026-08-18 01:06:57.105142 (-0700) +0.000209 +/- 0.016759 time.nist.gov 132.163.96.6 s1 no-leap > > > Checked, MY clock is dead on. > > Anyway, they took away my hardwire and gave me a 5G where the > antenna is many miles away. Weak signal almost always, perhaps > packet errors too. > > But why the Mint site so notably ??? Perhaps Mint's servers were put on the other side of another 5G gateway? > Weirdness spanned DAYS too. Or, perhaps the AI bots were busying downloading, in parallel, every file offered on the Mint website, over-saturating Mint's outbound network link.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11649jq$2le0s$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90085 |
On 19/08/2026 03:16, c186282 wrote: > Weak signal almost always, perhaps packet >  errors too. > >  But why the Mint site so notably ??? >  Weirdness spanned DAYS too. Different mint servers have different loading at different times Its often better for me to download from other than UK based ones -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <e--dnUBUO5z_-Bv3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90121 |
On 8/19/26 09:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/08/2026 03:16, c186282 wrote: >> Weak signal almost always, perhaps packet >> Â Â errors too. >> >> Â Â But why the Mint site so notably ??? >> Â Â Weirdness spanned DAYS too. > > Different mint servers have different loading at different times > > Its often better for me to download from other than UK based ones Can't remember - but it MAY have been using a Euro site to serve the download. Anyway, the effect lasted for days.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_46cnQkXs59Hkhj3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90039 |
On 8/18/26 02:05, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 01:44:51 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Tried FFox and Chromium the past few days. The site is ULTRA-slow, >> useless. > > Brave browser. Went to the site, paged through the instructions, went to > the Cinnamon download, selected the Clarkson mirror, and the download > started immediately. Canceled the download. > > Like I've said before you have a lot more problems than the average bear. It's true. In PART it's because I'm stuck with a somewhat balky 5G net connection. At times the signal strength goes to about naught, other times weird delays in transmission - packet errors ? It's why I was wondering about StarLink a little while back. Alas seems you need a pretty clear northeast 'view' from where I am - and I don't HAVE one ... big trees most everywhere. I'd have to run a 100' cable out under the yard to get a good clear point. StarLink MAY still be a viable "backup" however. Even a half-assed signal is better than none at all. Anyway, after a LONG wait, finally did get the download page to come up. Grabbed the latest XFCE version. Good enough.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nekn1aFe0jfU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90083 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:07:20 -0400, c186282 wrote: > It's why I was wondering about StarLink a little while back. Alas > seems you need a pretty clear northeast 'view' from where I am - and > I don't HAVE one ... big trees most everywhere. I'd have to run a > 100' cable out under the yard to get a good clear point. I was concerned about the tree but it's to the west and the receiver is oriented to 5 degrees. You can download the app for free to evaluate the site. You point the phone at the sky and rotate through 360. I was skeptical about the services using geosynchronous sats, the footprint, and how many subscribers would be in the beam. The Leos, and there are a lot of them, solve that problem. I am a bit curious how it works. Back in the day the ham sats were store and forwards and the window was only a few minutes. Of course there was only the one and not over 1000.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KnydnRY2DeMh1Bj3nZ2dnZfqn_cAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90092 |
On 8/18/26 23:42, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:07:20 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> It's why I was wondering about StarLink a little while back. Alas >> seems you need a pretty clear northeast 'view' from where I am - and >> I don't HAVE one ... big trees most everywhere. I'd have to run a >> 100' cable out under the yard to get a good clear point. > > I was concerned about the tree but it's to the west and the receiver is > oriented to 5 degrees. You can download the app for free to evaluate the > site. You point the phone at the sky and rotate through 360. I don't have the kind of phone that'll run "apps". > I was skeptical about the services using geosynchronous sats, the > footprint, and how many subscribers would be in the beam. The Leos, and > there are a lot of them, solve that problem. LONG back I put my office on geo-sync sat internet. It worked, and - sometimes - was faster than our old shotgunned dial-ups. Alas as web pages quickly became full of SHIT ... the signals bouncing 33,000 miles up and back and up and back REALLY dragged down the connection. Then the phone offered DSL and we used that for a long time. Sorry, even the speed of light is NOT nearly fast enough these days. StarLink kinda CHEATS - very low orbits and clever data-routing tricks. > I am a bit curious how it works. Back in the day the ham sats were store > and forwards and the window was only a few minutes. Of course there was > only the one and not over 1000. Well, StarLink is "in the works" even now. I think Musk still wants at least ten times as many sats, and the next-gen sats handle many more channels. A sort of extravagant system, but it's proven very useful and resistant to sabotage. ANYway, my geography is NOT so great for StarLink. It'd probably work but I'd never get the promised data speed. BIG trees everywhere. Also, their MOUNTING schemes ... searched Amazon and there was NOTHING really suitable for my house and likely weather conditions. I'd need to fab a hardwood frame and a 4-point mount to a concrete wall. Ordinary T-storm came through today ... gusts to maybe 60mph. It can get worse, much worse.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1164a5e$2le0s$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90092 |
On 19/08/2026 04:42, rbowman wrote:
> I am a bit curious how it works. Back in the day the ham sats were store
> and forwards and the window was only a few minutes. Of course there was
> only the one and not over 1000.
Well starlink is simply an extreme case of IP routing. Your link will
pick the best signal and transmit a burst to that and your router will
be advertised as available via that satellite.
Clearly there is something like OSPF running inside starlinks network at
very high speed.
Ah.
Good old AI
"Starlink uses a custom, proprietary internal encapsulation and routing
protocol in space rather than standard Internet Protocol (IP) suites.
Standard routing protocols like OSPF or BGP cannot cope with thousands
of hyper-velocity LEO nodes changing topology every second.
Core Internal Architecture
=================
Encapsulation: Standard IPv4/IPv6 packets from user devices are
intercepted at the user terminal or Point of Presence (PoP) and wrapped
inside a lightweight, proprietary space-layer protocol.
Predictable Ephemera: Because orbital mechanics are mathematically
rigid, satellite trajectories and inter-satellite laser link (OISL)
handoffs are pre-computed on the ground rather than dynamically flooded
via traditional link-state advertisements.
Minimal Overhead: The custom layer strips out heavy traditional packet
headers to maximize data payload efficiency across space-to-ground radio
links and laser crosslinks.
Decoupled Edge: At the ground gateway or network POP, space packets are
de-encapsulated back into standard IPv4 (often via CGNAT 100.64.0.0/10)
or native IPv6 before handing off to the terrestrial internet backbone. "
So there ya go.It knows which satellites are going to be where and
routing is switched between them .
pretty cool tech. One thing's fer sure. The MusktRat never designed it
himself
--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nels2pFpub2U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90123 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:13:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > pretty cool tech. One thing's fer sure. The MusktRat never designed it > himself Your point? I think William Boeing may have designed a plane once upon a time but he may have mostly copied the Martin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Model_1
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1164egu$2le0s$21@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90140 |
On 19/08/2026 15:14, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:13:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> pretty cool tech. One thing's fer sure. The MusktRat never designed it >> himself > > Your point? I think William Boeing may have designed a plane once upon a > time but he may have mostly copied the Martin. > My point is that these people - Musk, Gates, Jobs etc - are always lauded as technical geniuses, when all they are, are people who spot a commercuial opportunity and exploit other people to develop it. Especially in the USA where people think that making shitloads of cash is in itself an indication of excellence in everything else. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Model_1 > -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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