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  What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
                          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
                              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
                                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
                                Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
                                  Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
                              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
                                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400

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#90320

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 15:01, rbowman wrote:
>> This state is 147,000 square miles with about 1 million people.  
>> Great Britain is 80.000 square miles with 67 million people.
> 
> 
> BUT If you have a bit of kit that can dig a ditch, and a reel of 
> optical fibre, and friendly neighbours who might even kick in a few 
> dollars, you can fibre up your own area, and make a localised ISP 
> that buts bulk broadband off a big carrier
> 
> Then when it shows profit sell it to the big ISP

The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With 
private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own 
area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in 
order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or 
the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the 
state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a 
good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the 
private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.

And even running alongside the state/county owned roads often needs 
multitudes of permits and permissions from the state/county public 
works groups before you'd be allowed to bury the fibre.

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#90327

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own
> area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in
> order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or
> the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the
> state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a
> good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the
> private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.

As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with many 
homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a culvert. That 
would add more expense. 

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#90344

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
> 
>> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own
>> area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in
>> order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or
>> the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the
>> state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a
>> good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the
>> private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.
> 
> As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with many 
> homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a culvert. That 
> would add more expense. 

Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five 
seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding 
impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the 
irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.

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#90413

At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
> > 
> >> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
> >> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own
> >> area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in
> >> order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or
> >> the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the
> >> state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a
> >> good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the
> >> private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.
> > 
> > As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with many 
> > homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a culvert. That 
> > would add more expense. 
> 
> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five 
> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding 
> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the 
> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.

FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.

(Power poles go everywhere.)

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#90420

On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 21:52:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

> At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>> > 
>> >> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>> >> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your
>> >> own area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal
>> >> easements in order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the
>> >> area.  That, or the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only
>> >> alongside the state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus
>> >> of that fibre a good distance from the homes that are on the other
>> >> ends of all the private roads that turn off the few state or county
>> >> roads.
>> > 
>> > As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with
>> > many homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a
>> > culvert. That would add more expense.
>> 
>> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five
>> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding
>> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the
>> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.
> 
> FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.
> 
> (Power poles go everywhere.)

That would seem feasible but they certainly do a lot of digging to lay 
fiber, at least the thick orange trunk lines. 

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#90448

On 24/08/2026 02:07, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 21:52:35 +0000, vallor wrote:
> 
>> At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>>>>> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your
>>>>> own area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal
>>>>> easements in order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the
>>>>> area.  That, or the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only
>>>>> alongside the state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus
>>>>> of that fibre a good distance from the homes that are on the other
>>>>> ends of all the private roads that turn off the few state or county
>>>>> roads.
>>>>
>>>> As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with
>>>> many homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a
>>>> culvert. That would add more expense.
>>>
>>> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five
>>> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding
>>> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the
>>> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.
>>
>> FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.
>>
>> (Power poles go everywhere.)
> 
> That would seem feasible but they certainly do a lot of digging to lay
> fiber, at least the thick orange trunk lines.
> 

The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to 
weather.
Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are 
not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts 
every year.

It actually costs more than undergrounding would, but there is no 
capitall budget to fix it.


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#90461

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:15:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to
> weather.
> Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are
> not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts
> every year.

In July 2024 we had a derecho with winds over 100 mph. About 25,000 people 
lost power; mine was out for 6 days. In many areas Ponderosa pines fell 
across the lines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa

They very large tree with a surprisingly shallow root system. Even one of 
the irrigation ditches was closed for close to a year because the root 
balls of the fallen trees affected the integrity of the ditch.

It wasn't all trees. I'd have to count them but on one road close to me I 
think 8 power poles were down. I imagine one went and the rest became 
dominoes. 

A derecho is rare, but outages during less severe storms, both summer and 
winter, are common.

The high tension distribution network often runs through rugged 
mountainous terrain and is susceptible to wild fire.

An immense amount of power, phone, and cable is hung from poles but new 
runs are buried in most cases. Some of the new technology is interesting. 
When they put in a new run close to where I worked they used remote 
controlled microtunneling equipment. Many of the photos with articles 
about microtunneling show bores measured in feet. Perhaps this was 
nanotunneling since the head was less than one foot.  

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#90512

On 24/08/2026 20:26, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:15:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to
>> weather.
>> Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are
>> not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts
>> every year.
> 
> In July 2024 we had a derecho with winds over 100 mph. About 25,000 people
> lost power; mine was out for 6 days. In many areas Ponderosa pines fell
> across the lines.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa
> 
> They very large tree with a surprisingly shallow root system. Even one of
> the irrigation ditches was closed for close to a year because the root
> balls of the fallen trees affected the integrity of the ditch.
> 
> It wasn't all trees. I'd have to count them but on one road close to me I
> think 8 power poles were down. I imagine one went and the rest became
> dominoes.
> 
> A derecho is rare, but outages during less severe storms, both summer and
> winter, are common.
> 
> The high tension distribution network often runs through rugged
> mountainous terrain and is susceptible to wild fire.
> 
> An immense amount of power, phone, and cable is hung from poles but new
> runs are buried in most cases. Some of the new technology is interesting.
> When they put in a new run close to where I worked they used remote
> controlled microtunneling equipment. Many of the photos with articles
> about microtunneling show bores measured in feet. Perhaps this was
> nanotunneling since the head was less than one foot.

I think I'd like your place. Yes. sometimes they can drag a mole through 
the soils and lay conduit. Or armoured cables. The 11KV is not ducted, 
just wrist sized armoured cables laid side by side in 3 phases. Red 
Yellow and Blue.

Its gradually replacing the overheads. They dont install any overheads 
at all any more. Not for anything except maybe the last 50 yards across 
the street to the house

That's one of the problems for rural areas. Policy forbids *new* overheads

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#90554

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:45:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> That's one of the problems for rural areas. Policy forbids *new*
> overheads

It's the opposite where I am. The city forbids a lot of things but once 
you cross the line into the county it's the Wild West. You can tell where 
the boundaries are around the 4th of July and New Years -- the fireworks 
stands are on the county side. 

The city is 32 out of 2618 square miles. One of the more remote parts of 
the county is talking about seceding. 

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#90536 — Power lines

On 2026-08-24 12:26, rbowman wrote:
 > ...> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:15:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> The high tension distribution network often runs through rugged
> mountainous terrain and is susceptible to wild fire.
> 
> An immense amount of power, phone, and cable is hung from poles but new
> runs are buried in most cases. Some of the new technology is interesting.
> When they put in a new run close to where I worked they used remote
> controlled microtunneling equipment. Many of the photos with articles
> about microtunneling show bores measured in feet. Perhaps this was
> nanotunneling since the head was less than one foot.

Around here, the high-voltage lines run through the "foothills" (a 4000 
foot / 1200m coastal mountain range) with long spans across canyons. 
Some sections on the front (coastal) side of the range, some through the 
wilderness on the back side. These are vulnerable.

In high winds, the wires swing and may occasionally touch and spark and 
create severe transients that can blow out transformers along the line, 
and also start wildfires. When a wildfire burns near or under the line, 
the wires grow longer and arcing brings the line down.

As I understand it, the entire supply to our 150,000+ urban area comes 
in across the mountain, the lines on the coastal side is only for 
local/regional distribution. This is not a reliable supply, so we need a 
spare/emergency generator in town, but nobody wants it in their 
neighborhood; they cry "toxic fumes".

In this terrain, you can't bury lines along the existing route. We 
really need to run a set of new transmission lines along the existing 
traffic corridor along the coast, but they forgot to reserve space, even 
for a second railroad track, and now you would have to buy up a lot of 
expensive properties to create space for expanding the rail/road/power 
infrastructure.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#90537 — Re: Power lines

On 25/08/2026 14:48, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> In this terrain, you can't bury lines along the existing route. We 
> really need to run a set of new transmission lines along the existing 
> traffic corridor along the coast, but they forgot to reserve space, even 
> for a second railroad track, and now you would have to buy up a lot of 
> expensive properties to create space for expanding the rail/road/power 
> infrastructure.

You can run a pretty decent HV link over or under the side of a railway 
track

In the UK the railway company has tons of optical fibre running down the 
side of the tracks and the electrical power company also runs fibre 
across the tower tops



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authorities are wrong.”

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#90487

On 8/24/26 06:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/08/2026 02:07, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 21:52:35 +0000, vallor wrote:
>>
>>> At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>>>>>> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your
>>>>>> own area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal
>>>>>> easements in order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the
>>>>>> area.  That, or the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only
>>>>>> alongside the state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus
>>>>>> of that fibre a good distance from the homes that are on the other
>>>>>> ends of all the private roads that turn off the few state or county
>>>>>> roads.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with
>>>>> many homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a
>>>>> culvert. That would add more expense.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five
>>>> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding
>>>> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the
>>>> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.
>>>
>>> FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.
>>>
>>> (Power poles go everywhere.)
>>
>> That would seem feasible but they certainly do a lot of digging to lay
>> fiber, at least the thick orange trunk lines.
>>
> 
> The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to 
> weather.
> Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are 
> not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts 
> every year.
> 
> It actually costs more than undergrounding would, but there is no 
> capitall budget to fix it.

   I live where there can be severe storms. Overhead lines
   get shredded, sometimes the poles too. Underground, well,
   that's a Major Investment by the telcoms. Cable net, it
   will get shredded too and they're even slower than the
   telcoms to fix shit.

   DID buy a decent over-air HDTV antenna - can get about
   25 stations (most SHIT) but CAN get 'em.

   Was in a place where there were TWO hurricanes within
   about three weeks - a cat-2 and then a cat-3. Did HUGE
   long-lasting damage. Couldn't even buy gasoline for
   about three weeks unless you paid cash. Others have
   experienced even worse - the more recent debacle in
   the Carolina's and vicinity a good example of near
   total infrastructure collapse.

   Got LOTS of weird shit under my old property - so
   directional drilling might do major damage.

   In THEORY, the best fixes now are StarLink and
   5-G internet. The phone towers can/will go down,
   but they will be amongst the first things fixed.

   StarLink - been looking at it quite a bit - but
   in my case I'd have to build a custom frame/holder
   from some kind of bad-ass wood and solid asym 4-point
   mount to a concrete wall (envision a kinda shallow
   "wedge" setup).

   No 'perfect' solutions.

   Hmmmm ... remember people got roof repair started
   after hurricane #1 ... then it was all ripped away
   by hurricane #2 - and their insurance companies
   suddenly would not pay. GoogleEarth showed large
   quantities of "blue tarp" roofs there for YEARS :-)

   BUT, Laura Bush DID show up to distribute water
   bottles and MREs !

   MREs ... you CAN eat 'em, but really don't WANNA :-)

   Mil MRE's are SUPER high SALT too - meant for 20
   year old soldiers on aggressive maneuvers. If you
   are over 60 that much salt might put you in the
   hospital with kidney or heart failure.

   (some of the 3rd party stuff, "Mountain House" and
   such, IS better - MREs and/or dehydrated. Bought
   right when the Covid disaster was starting, Just
   In Case. Probably still "edible", but very STALE)

   Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major
   environmental disasters better than yer average
   3rd-world shithole. Recent EU news suggests that
   NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded power
   distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN !
   The proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION.

   Oh, weirdest experience from those double hurricanes,
   driving down main/secondary roads. 10-foot high piles
   of EVERYTHING in people's houses taken to the roadside,
   like driving in a surreal tunnel. Storms, quakes, fires,
   CAN ruin EVERYTHING in a moment and mostly YOU are gonna
   be on the hook for it all.

   Now, most in Florida, the Carolina's, Texas, are having
   to DROP storm insurance. TOO TOO expensive. Saw in the
   news that even the MAYOR of Palm Beach FL dropped his !
   The 1950s/60s insurance equation is no good anymore.
   Back then everything was GROWTH - now, at best, it's
   just "holding ground" - usually worse.

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#90513

On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote:
> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major
>    environmental disasters better than yer average
>    3rd-world shithole. Recent EU news suggests that
>    NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded power
>    distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN !
>    The proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION.

Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay 
insurance.
Weather is very weird this year. Big El Niño. Only two named Atlantic 
storms so far.

Expect the unexpected. Flash Floods in Utah,and forest fires apparently.

Stock up on cans of pork and beans and fresh water

-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#90555

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:50:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote:
>> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major
>>    environmental disasters better than yer average 3rd-world shithole.
>>    Recent EU news suggests that NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded
>>    power distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! The
>>    proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION.
> 
> Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay
> insurance.

One year in the '90s Arizona found out what '100 year flood plain' means. 
Not a good idea to build in Rio Salada even though it hasn't been a rio in 
recent memory.

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#90612

On 8/25/26 14:43, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:50:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote:
>>> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major
>>>     environmental disasters better than yer average 3rd-world shithole.
>>>     Recent EU news suggests that NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded
>>>     power distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! The
>>>     proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION.
>>
>> Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay
>> insurance.
> 
> One year in the '90s Arizona found out what '100 year flood plain' means.
> Not a good idea to build in Rio Salada even though it hasn't been a rio in
> recent memory.

   Yea, "100 Year" even "1000 Year" don't really
   MEAN much.

   So, like it or not, gotta be ready for the
   "1000-year" EVERY year.

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#90583

On 8/25/26 06:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote:
>> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major
>>    environmental disasters better than yer average
>>    3rd-world shithole. Recent EU news suggests that
>>    NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded power
>>    distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN !
>>    The proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION.
> 
> Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay 
> insurance.

   Insurance company lobbyists OBVIOUSLY behind that tact ! :-)

   Came across an article about a year ago - seems the mayor
   of Palm Beach Florida - a RICH area - had to drop his
   property/windstorm insurance because the price had gotten
   entirely out of hand. His salary would have been well
   into six figures fer-sure, but ......

   Finally, "1000-year Events" seem to be "EVERY-year
   events" of late ..... note a repeat of last years
   deadly/destructive floods in Texas. On the plus
   the el-Nino ought to suppress Atlantic/Gulf
   hurricanes for a few years.

> Weather is very weird this year. Big El Niño. Only two named Atlantic 
> storms so far.
> 
> Expect the unexpected. Flash Floods in Utah,and forest fires apparently.
> 
> Stock up on cans of pork and beans and fresh water

   Cans of P&B aren't a bad choice - except I have to
   keep a low-carb diet. Canned tuna will keep for
   a LONG time too. Corned beef also. For carb freaks
   you have plenty of choices - plain old bags of
   rice and wheat flour and dried beans.

   Just as the Covid thing was starting I scored kind of
   the last boxes of dehydrated food and decent MREs.
   Still have 'em, surely still "edible", Just In Case.

   MREs remain 'edible' for a long time, but the flavor
   gets kinda stale after a few years. Still better than
   the neighbors cat I suspect :-)

   Oh, avoid armadillo ... recent news sez they're loaded
   with leprosy. Lots of human xfer cases this year. There's
   something about the citters body temperature that makes
   them ideal incubators. Also probs with prion diseases in
   some herds of deer and moose - NO cure for those - not
   even sure super-well-done will destroy those mutant
   proteins.

   Actually, the whole food-supply chain, commercial
   and natural, seems kinda FUCKED the past five years.
   Never seen so many "urgent recall / Sure Death"
   warnings. The CryptoSHIT disease is the least of it.
   Fish may still be ok, but you kinda have to live on
   the ocean to take full advantage.

   Other odd bit this year - most of the horrible food
   diseases seem to be in VEGGIES, not meat. So much
   that I'm beginning to suspect something deliberate.

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#90592

On 2026-08-26, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>    Cans of P&B aren't a bad choice - except I have to
>    keep a low-carb diet. Canned tuna will keep for
>    a LONG time too. Corned beef also. For carb freaks
>    you have plenty of choices - plain old bags of
>    rice and wheat flour and dried beans.

If I'm informed correctly:

- wheat flour degrades rather quickly;

- unground wheat berries/kernels will last for many years if
stored in airtight containers with the oxygen removed by dry ice
or manufactured oxygen eliminator packets;

- wheat has much more protein and other nutrients than (at least
white) rice.

Plain wheat kernels can be boiled to make a very nice grown-up
cereal.  My wife likes milk, honey, cinnamon, and/or butter on
hers.  I prefer plain milk on mine.  If no milk is available,
that's okay, too.

The recipe can be adjusted for the size of batch being boiled,
but the general idea is to combine 3 parts water for 1 part wheat
kernels, bring to a boil, turn down the heat and let slow boil or
simmer for ~45 minutes, then turn off the heat and let it
continue to self-cook for 3-8 hours.  A larger pan will hold heat
longer, while a smaller pan will cool down more quickly, so cook
times can be adjusted to get the preferred consistency.

In my experience, boiled wheat can be left at room temperature
for up to 24 hours before refrigerating it, but it starts to
taste sour after a few days in the fridge if left at room
temperature longer than about 24 hours before going in the
fridge.

If boiling is not possible, wheat can be eaten by putting some
kernels in the mouth for a few minutes to let them soften enough
for chewing.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#90608

On 26/08/2026 04:34, c186282 wrote:
> Finally, "1000-year Events" seem to be "EVERY-year
>    events" of late ..... note a repeat of last years
>    deadly/destructive floods in Texas. On the plus
>    the el-Nino ought to suppress Atlantic/Gulf
>    hurricanes for a few years.

Well yes, any random event in a year of sufficiently unique character 
from a set of a thousand is going to be a 'thousand year event'

-- 
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the 
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

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#90118

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 8/18/26 04:10, vallor wrote:
>> At 18 Aug 2026 06:05:55 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 01:44:51 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tried FFox and Chromium the past few days. The site is ULTRA-slow,
>>>> useless.
>>>
>>> Brave browser. Went to the site, paged through the instructions, went to
>>> the Cinnamon download, selected the Clarkson mirror, and the download
>>> started immediately. Canceled the download.
>>>
>>> Like I've said before you have a lot more problems than the average bear.
>> 
>> Well, his clock is off -- probably not enough to effect TLS, but
>> figuring that out is above my current paygrade.
>> 
>> Dear Mr. c-cipher,
>> 
>> Please run:
>> 
>> $ ntpdate -q time.nist.gov
>> 
>> And post what you see.  Mine says:
>> 
>> 2026-08-18 01:06:57.105142 (-0700) +0.000209 +/- 0.016759 time.nist.gov 132.163.96.6 s1 no-leap
> 
> 
>   Checked, MY clock is dead on.
> 
>   Anyway, they took away my hardwire and gave me a 5G where the 
>   antenna is many miles away.  Weak signal almost always, perhaps 
>   packet errors too.
> 
>   But why the Mint site so notably ???

Perhaps Mint's servers were put on the other side of another 5G 
gateway?

>   Weirdness spanned DAYS too.

Or, perhaps the AI bots were busying downloading, in parallel, every 
file offered on the Mint website, over-saturating Mint's outbound 
network link.

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#90121

On 19/08/2026 03:16, c186282 wrote:
> Weak signal almost always, perhaps packet
>    errors too.
> 
>    But why the Mint site so notably ???
>    Weirdness spanned DAYS too.

Different mint servers have different loading at different times

Its often better for me to download from other than UK based ones

-- 
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

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