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  Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
                      OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
                        Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
                          Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
                            Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
                          Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
                            Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
                              Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
                                Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
                                  Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
                                    Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
                                      Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
                                        Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
                              Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                                Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
                                    Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                                Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
                        Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
                          Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
                            Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
                              Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
                                Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
                                Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
                                  Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
                                    Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
                                Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
                                  Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
                              Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
                                Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
                                  Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
                          Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
                            Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
                              Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
                                Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
                              Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
                              Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
                                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
                                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
                                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
                                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
                                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
                                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
                                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000

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#90245 — Re: OT

On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 20:26:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at
> each end.  On the other side of one of the schools the street continues
> for another block.  It took a while for Google Maps to get that second
> segment properly into its database.  From time to time I would see a
> delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to
> figure out why the house numbers didn't match up.  I helped more than
> one such driver on his way.

There are a number of historical reasons including dueling developers but 
one section of the city is at a 45 degree angle to the general north/south 
orientation. That resulted in what became the main drag also being 
misaligned, followed by further chaotic development.

That's resulted in several streets with one or more segments that don't 
connect to each other. Getting from one chunk to the other can be a 
problem so you really need to know which piece has the address you're 
looking for,

GPSs have improved matters. 25 years ago most addresses were 'geocoded'. 
Basically you know a segment of Maple St is X feet long and has the ranges 
from 300 to 399, hopefully even and odd addresses on alternate sides but 
that's not guaranteed. Which side they're on is also not guaranteed. 

Anyway, subtract about 5% from each end to account for the intersections, 
set back from the center line, and divide. Oila, a coordinate usually in a 
State Plane Coordinate System projection since that's a lot nicer than 
messing with spherical trig.

Worked for years...

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#90175 — Re: OT

On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> (Should we take this to e-s.talk?)
> 
>    And pollute *that* group!? :-)
> 
>> On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the
>>>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what
>>>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of
>>>>> always having the latest software.  Buying a boxed copy of
>>>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release.
>>
>> Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I
>> haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet
>> to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for
>> the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And
>> I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though!
> 
>    Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts
> are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example:
> The software bringing you this post.
> 
>>>> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive
>>>> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive.
>>
>> That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant
>> replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating,
>> but they only support so far back in OSs.
> 
>    The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and
> now 11 without a hitch.
> 
>    And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could
> run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-)
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving?
>>>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone?
>>>>
>>>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years.
>>>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not
>>>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps
>>>> for longer trips).  Or I can look it up on my computer
>>>> before I leave home.  (That's called planning, doncha know.)
>>>
>> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only
>> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no
>> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in
>> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)>
> 
>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
> 
+1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.


> [...]

-- 
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will 
let them."

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#90201 — Re: OT

On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:


>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>
> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.

Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and 
cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get 
slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some 
use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations 
transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have 
not experienced.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#90204 — Re: OT

On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>
>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
>> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
> 
> Depends on the model

TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.



-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#90206 — Re: OT

On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, 
>>>> etc.)
>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>>
>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest 
>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
>>
>> Depends on the model
> 
> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.

TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the 
same name.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#90215 — Re: OT

On 2026/8/20 11:31:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[]
>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps

That sounds like TomTom is an "app" on your 'phone; I didn't know they
did an app., I only know the name as one of the bigger names in
standalone devices. (I suppose if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.)

>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
>> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
> 
> Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and 
> cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get 
> slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some 
> use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations 
> transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have 
> not experienced.
> 
Well, some fixed maps have _some_ speed camera, but of course can't
track new ones, and certainly can't include roadworks, traffic, and the
like, so the device must be getting it from _some_where; I think I've
heard of the FM subcarrier thing too. One thing's for sure, it's _not_
on the satellites that make GPS work: they only transmit very accurate
time signals, and it's the _receiver_ that works out (if it can find
three or more of the satellites) your longitude, latitude, and height,
and compares that to a map it contains.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an
empty desk mean ?

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#90254 — Re: OT

On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 12:31:53 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> And some use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some
> stations transmit those reports in background, somehow.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System>

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#90000

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:16:48 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

> Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's
> houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take
> for granted.

I'm not sure indoor plumbing is all it's cracked up to be. It does keep 
the plumbers in business though.

https://www.welthungerhilfe.org/hunger-due-to-drought-in-east-africa

I think East Africa needs something other than flush toilets.


https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-wants-world-to-move-past-flush-
toilets-2018-11


Gates drinking recycled piss reminded me of another thirsty person. It 
seems he doesn't really want flush toilets. That's just as well as third 
world countries have shit for sewage systems. (bad pun intended)

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/radioactive-cleanup-at-idaho-
nuclear-site-working/

I may have the wrong person but I think it was Watt that downed a glass of 
glow-in-the-dark water, smacked his lips, and said 'See, no problem.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt

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#90042

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400
"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > On 2026-08-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> >> On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[]

> >>     And then it all went SO BAD ...
> >>
> >>     At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a
> >>     half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep
> >>     a little FLIP as my mobile now.
> > 
> > I'll give up my flip phone when they pry it from
> > my cold dead fingers.  It sends and receives calls
> > and texts (including pictures).  I neither need
> > nor want anything more.  They're not hard to
> > find, either.  I got my latest one for $100;
> > its $50 predecessor was just too shitty, but
> > as with anything else you get what you pay for..
> 
> 
> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving?  Do you even 
> realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone?
> 
> 
> >>                                     My carrier is
> >>     not gonna support my great old landline much
> >>     longer - they've already raised the PRICE
> >>     insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT
> >>     gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but
> >>     from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones
> >>     are gonna be IT.
> > 
> > In our latest account update with the telco, they
> > threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
> > on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
> > attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
> 
> 
> The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker, 
> IMO.  Fuck Apple.
> 
You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG;
it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10.

PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices".


FU set to cma
-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#90044

On 8/18/2026 3:39 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400
> "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
>>
>> The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker,
>> IMO.  Fuck Apple.
>>
> You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG;
> it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10.
> 
> PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices".
> 
> 
> FU set to cma


Are you even living in 2026, dude?  Your reply was a bunch of loudmouth 
nothingness.  No one said smartphones were explicitly on-topic in these 
newsgroups.  They are still something people who are normal talk about. 
So save your high horses for someone you actually outsmart, dumbshit.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90051

On 18/08/2026 3:45 am, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

<Snip>

>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.

Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using 
a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#90052

On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
> 
> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using 
> a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P


You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, as 
it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good smartphones. 
It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based on what I know 
today.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90053

On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
>>
>> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by 
>> using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P
> 
> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, as 
> it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good smartphones. 
> It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based on what I know 
> today.
> 
Oh!! Right. I missed that.

I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
Laptop have been HP's.
-- 
Daniel70

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#90054

On 8/18/2026 7:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
>>>
>>> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by 
>>> using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P
>>
>> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, 
>> as it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good 
>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based 
>> on what I know today.
>>
> Oh!! Right. I missed that.
> 
> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
> Laptop have been HP's.


HP isn't bad.  I bought my GF one of their laptops, in fact.  But the 
Microsoft OEM network is selling gear that can be easily be bested by 
self-assembly, or like me just using a China-sourced mini PC.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90057

On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:

>> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, 
>> as it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good 
>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based 
>> on what I know today.
>>
> Oh!! Right. I missed that.
> 
> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
> Laptop have been HP's.

I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run 
Linux Out Of The Box so to speak.

My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it.


-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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#90058

On 8/18/2026 8:18 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> 
>>> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, 
>>> as it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good 
>>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based 
>>> on what I know today.
>>>
>> Oh!! Right. I missed that.
>>
>> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
>> Laptop have been HP's.
> 
> I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run 
> Linux Out Of The Box so to speak.
> 
> My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it.


People who shun the PC and do everything with their phones are 
interesting, yeah.  I give Apple, Google and Samsung a lot of credit, 
for making a product everyone should want, and yet it cannot replace the PC.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90056

On 18/08/2026 12:15, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 3:45 am, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
> 
> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using 
> a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P

I think the point is that he *doesn't* use it?

-- 
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

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#89978

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:


> All Apple is doing is following Microsoft's lead, especially when it
> comes to software subscriptions.
> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working to
> achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream:
> the elimination of private property.  (We could quibble about these
> companies being private themselves,
> or just acknowledge that they're more part of the government than
> private citizens.)

I read an article recently where iTunes is still around although they try 
to push you to an Apple Music subscription. Years ago my boss handed out 
iPod Shuffles at Christmas. To load my existing music I had to install the 
Windows iTunes app. What a pile of dog vomit. 

>>    Long long back, Bill Gates/M$ were sort of HEROES.
> 
> Gates was never a hero in my eyes.  Remember him whining after a
> computer club spread his BASIC interpreter around?  Or whining nearly
> every week when the DOJ foiled his various attempts at creating a
> monopoly?  He's nothing more than a mediocre programmer (see below) who
> had the gift of the gab.

One of my disappointments was CP/M-86 losing out. But then, the 8088 was 
another low point. The M$ C compiler was okay but iitc they bought it from 
Lattice. I think Allen was the brains and Gates the sales schlock.

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#90002

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
> government than private citizens.)

Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were claiming
that the corporations whose power he was against were in any way the
fulfilment of his ideas.

The term for private corporations having more power over ordinary
citizens’ lives than the Government, is not “Communism”, but
“Fascism”. Or possibly “Corporatism”.

I think it’s “Fascism” if the Government themselves are in league
with the corporates.

> ... technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap.

A lot of that crap carries over to Windows today.

And oddly, some of it (the command-line limitations, drive letters and
I think “reserved” file names) actually predates it, going back to the
8-bit CP/M era.

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#90003

On 8/17/2026 7:40 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> ... technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap.
> 
> A lot of that crap carries over to Windows today.
> 
> And oddly, some of it (the command-line limitations, drive letters and
> I think “reserved” file names) actually predates it, going back to the
> 8-bit CP/M era.


There's something to that, yeah, but modern-day Windows is an equally 
advanced environment to Unix/Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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