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| Started by | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:52 +0200
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1161ije$1q63m$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90053 |
On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote: > On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, >> as it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good >> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based >> on what I know today. >> > Oh!! Right. I missed that. > > I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous > Laptop have been HP's. I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run Linux Out Of The Box so to speak. My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it. -- I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it. Sir Roger Scruton
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1161jla$1qku7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90057 |
On 8/18/2026 8:18 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote: > >>> You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, >>> as it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good >>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based >>> on what I know today. >>> >> Oh!! Right. I missed that. >> >> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous >> Laptop have been HP's. > > I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run > Linux Out Of The Box so to speak. > > My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it. People who shun the PC and do everything with their phones are interesting, yeah. I give Apple, Google and Samsung a lot of credit, for making a product everyone should want, and yet it cannot replace the PC. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1161if2$1q63m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90051 |
On 18/08/2026 12:15, Daniel70 wrote: > On 18/08/2026 3:45 am, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > <Snip> > >>> In our latest account update with the telco, they >>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits >>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my >>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. > > Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using > a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P I think the point is that he *doesn't* use it? -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <neh0ueFpk4lU33@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89971 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > All Apple is doing is following Microsoft's lead, especially when it > comes to software subscriptions. > I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working to > achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: > the elimination of private property. (We could quibble about these > companies being private themselves, > or just acknowledge that they're more part of the government than > private citizens.) I read an article recently where iTunes is still around although they try to push you to an Apple Music subscription. Years ago my boss handed out iPod Shuffles at Christmas. To load my existing music I had to install the Windows iTunes app. What a pile of dog vomit. >> Long long back, Bill Gates/M$ were sort of HEROES. > > Gates was never a hero in my eyes. Remember him whining after a > computer club spread his BASIC interpreter around? Or whining nearly > every week when the DOJ foiled his various attempts at creating a > monopoly? He's nothing more than a mediocre programmer (see below) who > had the gift of the gab. One of my disappointments was CP/M-86 losing out. But then, the 8088 was another low point. The M$ C compiler was okay but iitc they bought it from Lattice. I think Allen was the brains and Gates the sales schlock.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <116065e$1d7dv$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89971 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working > to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private > property. (We could quibble about these companies being private > themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the > government than private citizens.) Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in any way the fulfilment of his ideas. The term for private corporations having more power over ordinary citizens’ lives than the Government, is not “Communism”, but “Fascism”. Or possibly “Corporatism”. I think it’s “Fascism” if the Government themselves are in league with the corporates. > ... technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap. A lot of that crap carries over to Windows today. And oddly, some of it (the command-line limitations, drive letters and I think “reserved” file names) actually predates it, going back to the 8-bit CP/M era.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11606dt$1dnp6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90002 |
On 8/17/2026 7:40 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> ... technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap. > > A lot of that crap carries over to Windows today. > > And oddly, some of it (the command-line limitations, drive letters and > I think “reserved” file names) actually predates it, going back to the > 8-bit CP/M era. There's something to that, yeah, but modern-day Windows is an equally advanced environment to Unix/Linux. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fYNgS.25818$YHa3.18257@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #90002 |
On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >> government than private citizens.) > > Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were claiming > that the corporations whose power he was against were in any way the > fulfilment of his ideas. That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) > The term for private corporations having more power over ordinary > citizens’ lives than the Government, is not “Communism”, but > “Fascism”. Or possibly “Corporatism”. I did a bit of digging and found out that the term "corporatism" has already been taken. "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable. > I think it’s “Fascism” if the Government themselves are in league > with the corporates. If you don't want to use the term "fascism" (even Heinlein mentioned the term "corporate fascism" in one of his novels), the term "regulatory capture" seems to be becoming a popular euphemism. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1160han$1g1j0$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90006 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>> government than private citizens.) >> >> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. > > That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means of production taking control of the Government. To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the other one of those things.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a83cd23$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #90015 |
On Aug 17, 2026 at 7:51:04 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <1160han$1g1j0$5@dont-email.me>: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>> government than private citizens.) >>> >>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >> >> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) > > Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking > control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means > of production taking control of the Government. > > To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right > now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the > other one of those things. On this you and I are largely in agreement. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iV-dnYo1cMeoeR73nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90015 |
On 8/17/26 22:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>> government than private citizens.) >>> >>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >> >> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) > > Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking > control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means > of production taking control of the Government. > > To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right > now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the > other one of those things. Note the "evil" USA is still where most everyone in the world wants to FLEE to ......
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11618fn$1mmpl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90026 |
On 18/08/2026 05:48, c186282 wrote: > Note the "evil" USA is still where most everyone > in the world wants to FLEE to ...... Sadly not. The kindly UK is where they are all headed. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KARgS.26588$trLf.4243@fx20.iad> |
| In reply to | #90015 |
On 2026-08-18, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
>>>> government than private citizens.)
>>>
>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were
>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in
>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas.
>>
>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-)
>
> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking
> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means
> of production taking control of the Government.
>
> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right
> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the
> other one of those things.
Under capitalism, man exploits man.
Under communism, it's just the opposite.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a845631$0$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #90015 |
On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>> government than private citizens.) >>> >>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >> >> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) > > Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking > control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means > of production taking control of the Government. > > To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right > now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the > other one of those things. When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government is the one exploiting the workers. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116210n$1v4qd$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90060 |
On 18/08/2026 13:55, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>>> government than private citizens.) >>>> >>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >>> >>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) >> >> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking >> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means >> of production taking control of the Government. >> >> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right >> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the >> other one of those things. > > When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger > entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer > people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with > capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government > is the one exploiting the workers. > They are in fact merging. The so called 'right' - the corpocracy - is telling the sheeple that it is in fact a sort of acceptable communism. Gonna see you right, bro. -- Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. Mark Twain
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <YS%gS.22329$B3ve.19649@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #90070 |
On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 18/08/2026 13:55, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>>>> government than private citizens.) >>>>> >>>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >>>> >>>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) >>> >>> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking >>> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means >>> of production taking control of the Government. >>> >>> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right >>> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the >>> other one of those things. >> >> When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger >> entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer >> people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with >> capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government >> is the one exploiting the workers. > > They are in fact merging. > The so called 'right' - the corpocracy - is telling the sheeple that it > is in fact a sort of acceptable communism. Gonna see you right, bro. Many people view the political spectrum as a line stretching off to infinity in both directions. The left end is known as a "worker's paradise" by the left-wingers, and "godless communism" by the right-wingers. The right end is known as "sweetness and light" by the right-wingers and God knows what by the left-wingers. (Corporatocracy, perhaps, or maybe "corporate fascism".) In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet somewhere around on the dark side. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a84fdfa$1$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #90075 |
On 2026-08-18 12:37 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 18/08/2026 13:55, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>>>>> government than private citizens.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>>>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>>>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >>>>> >>>>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) >>>> >>>> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking >>>> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means >>>> of production taking control of the Government. >>>> >>>> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right >>>> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the >>>> other one of those things. >>> >>> When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger >>> entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer >>> people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with >>> capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government >>> is the one exploiting the workers. >> >> They are in fact merging. >> The so called 'right' - the corpocracy - is telling the sheeple that it >> is in fact a sort of acceptable communism. Gonna see you right, bro. > > Many people view the political spectrum as a line stretching off to > infinity in both directions. The left end is known as a "worker's > paradise" by the left-wingers, and "godless communism" by the > right-wingers. The right end is known as "sweetness and light" > by the right-wingers and God knows what by the left-wingers. > (Corporatocracy, perhaps, or maybe "corporate fascism".) > > In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, > meaning that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. > As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists > all meet somewhere around on the dark side. Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War and misery is on the menu. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1164d4o$2le0s$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90082 |
On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: > Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder > what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North > America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War > and misery is on the menu. The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. Apart from the woman bit. The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of Moral Compass. Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald Trump and MAGA. All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so' And so on. -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nemjedFpub2U15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90138 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 15:04:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous > thing I have ever heard. That's led to some very strange bedfellows. The paleoconservatives and other segments of the right never had much use for Israel not that they have any love for the Islamics. The majority US Jews are Democrats and some are further to the left like Sanders. So now the left doesn't like Israel which leads to some cognitive dissonance for the older lefties. Horseshoe indeed. I think US politics is going to get weirder than usual in the coming years. 'Weimar' comes up more frequently in conversations.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a86624d$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #90138 |
On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: >> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder >> what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North >> America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War >> and misery is on the menu. > > The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous > thing I have ever heard. > > Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and > asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social > development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized what > he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and the > status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law > > And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. > Apart from the woman bit. > > The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern > intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality > in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply > need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of > Moral Compass. > > Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, > Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald > Trump and MAGA. > > All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 'America > first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' . > 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so' > > And so on. At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off and not paying attention anymore. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1166mkn$3drqq$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90183 |
On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to >>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in >>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of >>> power. War and misery is on the menu. >> >> The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous >> thing I have ever heard. >> >> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and >> asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social >> development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized >> what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and >> the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law >> >> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. >> Apart from the woman bit. >> >> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern >> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality >> in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply >> need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of >> Moral Compass. >> >> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, >> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald >> Trump and MAGA. >> >> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines >> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' >> . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so' >> >> And so on. > > At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off > and not paying attention anymore. > That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of an animal rights demonstration once. Now I have had loaded guns pointed at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the murderers' was far more scary... You need to know where the next crazy is coming from... -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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