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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS |
| Date | 2021-11-11 20:38 -0800 |
| Organization | dis-organization |
| Message-ID | <smkr3t$6m9$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 11/11/21 17:22, 166p1 wrote: > On 11/10/21 9:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote: >>> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: >>>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for >>>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... >>>>> maybe not. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe we are all finding answer via the search >>>> engines or on Forums. >>> >>> >>> They are good these days, BUT - you can't really >>> *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk >>> you through to an answer very well either. >>> >>> >>>> Yourself just concluded a long series of >>>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux >>>> at least peripherally. >>>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. >>>> >>>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos >>> >>> Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing - >>> problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again >>> it takes a certain amount of give and take to >>> hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install >>> and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great >>> if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in >>> there ...). >>> >>> I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX >>> with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness >>> would go very dark partway through boot and none >>> of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to >>> kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure >>> lowish-level config file every time during boot, >>> replacing the defective default being set >>> *somewhere*. >>> >>> The underlying system is still fairly simple, but >>> the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of >>> interactions. >> >> Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people >> such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use >> Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort >> except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem. > > > I'm not going to take away your GUI ... indeed I've > been putting them on servers for a long time now > because they're so handy. Decent GUI tools can > accomplish in minutes what would take hours to do > in tweaking dozens of config files with a text > editor (or 'vi' if you're REALLY a retro masochist). > > But, if I need to edit one or two files, I'm as > likely to use 'nano' on the commmand line as > 'leafpad' or whatever in a GUI. > > My point here is that GUIs are *complicated* > collections of software - I doubt there's ANY > ONE PERSON now that totally understands > something like KDE, or maybe even LXDE, much > less the 'X' or Wayland underneath. Too complex, > too many contantly-moving sub-apps. People become > specialists. Maybe they talk to each other, > maybe they don't. > > I always put 'X' and LXDE on servers ... 'X' is > old and somebody knows how to fix it and LXDE > is the minimum "nice" GUI. Still hate LxQt ... > the supposed replacement .... > >> My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting. Sunday >> at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which >> he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a >> non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him >> how to repair his system in about half the time he intended >> to spend working on that. We are in San Francisco by the >> way and he was coming in from B.C, CA. Another of our >> experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with >> family presently. That time of year. >> >> Personally being totally inexpert and barely >> capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column >> of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana >> Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me >> to do this is a member of our sadly diminished >> Team Amiga mailing list. >> >> I am very good at asking for help as long as >> I can keep the Latitude E7450 online. It comes from >> having an overly large vocabulary, i think. >> >> Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet >> Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down. >> Look for posts in whatever interests you and either >> learn or help others learn about the simplicity >> underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the workers >> who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated >> Desktop Environments. >> >> And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping >> to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing. At 5.15.1 now. > > > As I said, "help pages" can be great - IF you have > a common sort of problem. If it's something WEIRD, > something requiring explainations in both directions, > then forums, including usenet, are the only good way. > You can get half a dozen specialists/semi-specialists > in on the issue. > > As for PCLinuxOS ... it's a pretty good distro for > people who mostly used Winders. Well I mostly used AmigaOS 1.3-3.9 while the A2000 continued to work. I tried out XP on a laptop and swiched to Mandriva Linux before I could be seriously damaged. But KDE helps me make it look like the Amiga Workbench. Now a great many Linux distribution start out looking line XP which some Windows users remember fondly. It only makes a load of sense to have a familiar interface in front of the new user. Not nearly so scary as my multiple menu--multiple task bar Amiga imitation. > > However, if you're doing banking-type stuff, you > are far safer using Linux than Winders. Winders > is just TOO easy to break into, and its huge > market share (and spite against MS) make it > the biggest target for hackers by a wide margin. > > I just loved the MS fix for security issues - it > was called Vista. It was basically a poost Win-7 > beta system, but the big security improvement was > to MAKE IT YOUR FAULT when you got hacked. It was > unusable UNLESS you turned off almost all the security > stuff. Windows 11 even forces you to use Edge. <https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/12/huawei_euler_os_foss/?td=keepreading-btm> I had that on one of the few new machines I bought in the last 17 years. It had none of the endearingly naive qualities of XP. I should have erased it but I wanted to learn about GPT and UEFI. At one point I had about 6 different but not that much Linux distributions installed on a 6420, > > Even SE-Linux is more civil than Vista (though not > by all THAT much :-) I settle for Linux with built-in firewall. It seems to work. I mean I get about 5 phishing calls per day on my landline. If they could hack in they would not waste time on calling. bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-10 00:21 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-09 21:38 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-10 20:46 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-10 18:42 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-11 20:38 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-12 23:45 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-12 22:00 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-14 23:09 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-14 21:08 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-15 13:05 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-20 09:30 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-20 12:43 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-17 01:23 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-11-17 14:25 +0100
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-20 01:17 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-16 12:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-16 13:39 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-16 16:19 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-17 01:29 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-17 17:28 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-18 07:57 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-20 00:14 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-17 13:20 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-17 11:26 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-20 00:41 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-20 09:38 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-18 10:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-18 12:09 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-13 08:22 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-13 19:51 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-13 12:40 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-12 16:12 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-12 17:57 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-12 19:41 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-13 11:06 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-13 11:53 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-13 15:14 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-14 15:25 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-20 09:13 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-20 15:38 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-21 09:04 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-21 12:38 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-26 09:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-26 11:46 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-27 00:21 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:33 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-27 09:39 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 10:07 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-27 11:27 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:17 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:07 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-21 16:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-21 11:22 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-22 00:43 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:40 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-13 10:56 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-13 11:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-12 03:16 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-27 09:49 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Steve Mysterious <tinker123@gmail.com> - 2021-11-13 18:20 -0800
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