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Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-10 00:21 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-09 21:38 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-10 20:46 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-10 18:42 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-11 20:38 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-12 23:45 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-12 22:00 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-14 23:09 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-14 21:08 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-15 13:05 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-20 09:30 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-20 12:43 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-17 01:23 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-11-17 14:25 +0100
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-20 01:17 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-16 12:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-16 13:39 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-16 16:19 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-17 01:29 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-17 17:28 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-18 07:57 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-20 00:14 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-17 13:20 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-17 11:26 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-20 00:41 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-20 09:38 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-18 10:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-18 12:09 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-13 08:22 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-13 19:51 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-13 12:40 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-12 16:12 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-12 17:57 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-12 19:41 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-13 11:06 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-13 11:53 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-13 15:14 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-14 15:25 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-20 09:13 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-20 15:38 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-21 09:04 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-21 12:38 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-26 09:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-26 11:46 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-27 00:21 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:33 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-27 09:39 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 10:07 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-27 11:27 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:17 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:07 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2021-11-21 16:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-21 11:22 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-22 00:43 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 09:40 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-13 10:56 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-13 11:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-12 03:16 -0500
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-27 09:49 -0800
Re: Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS Steve Mysterious <tinker123@gmail.com> - 2021-11-13 18:20 -0800
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-10 00:21 -0500 |
| Subject | Wow - Now Even COL.M - No Posts For DAYS |
| Message-ID | <j-Cdnenhiv9Byxb8nZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... maybe not.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-09 21:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <smfltj$oh9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33614 |
On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: > I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for > a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... > maybe not. > Maybe we are all finding answer via the search engines or on Forums. Yourself just concluded a long series of definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux at least peripherally. Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-10 20:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <LqudnZaYDLJ66BH8nZ2dnUU7-IHNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33615 |
On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: >> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for >> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... >> maybe not. >> > > Maybe we are all finding answer via the search > engines or on Forums. They are good these days, BUT - you can't really *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk you through to an answer very well either. > Yourself just concluded a long series of > definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux > at least peripherally. > Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. > > bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing - problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again it takes a certain amount of give and take to hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in there ...). I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness would go very dark partway through boot and none of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure lowish-level config file every time during boot, replacing the defective default being set *somewhere*. The underlying system is still fairly simple, but the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of interactions.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-10 18:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <smhvut$mkc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33616 |
On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote:
> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote:
>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for
>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ...
>>> maybe not.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe we are all finding answer via the search
>> engines or on Forums.
>
>
> They are good these days, BUT - you can't really
> *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk
> you through to an answer very well either.
>
>
>> Yourself just concluded a long series of
>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux
>> at least peripherally.
>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens.
>>
>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos
>
> Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing -
> problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again
> it takes a certain amount of give and take to
> hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install
> and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great
> if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in
> there ...).
>
> I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX
> with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness
> would go very dark partway through boot and none
> of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to
> kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure
> lowish-level config file every time during boot,
> replacing the defective default being set
> *somewhere*.
>
> The underlying system is still fairly simple, but
> the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of
> interactions.
Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people
such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use
Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort
except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem.
My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting. Sunday
at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which
he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a
non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him
how to repair his system in about half the time he intended
to spend working on that. We are in San Francisco by the
way and he was coming in from B.C, CA. Another of our
experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with
family presently. That time of year.
Personally being totally inexpert and barely
capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column
of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana
Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me
to do this is a member of our sadly diminished
Team Amiga mailing list.
I am very good at asking for help as long as
I can keep the Latitude E7450 online. It comes from
having an overly large vocabulary, i think.
Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet
Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down.
Look for posts in whatever interests you and either
learn or help others learn about the simplicity
underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the workers
who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated
Desktop Environments.
And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping
to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing.
bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.”
After all here I am...
--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-11 20:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <85idnYRuluNWXBD8nZ2dnUU7-TPNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33617 |
On 11/10/21 9:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote: >> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: >>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for >>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... >>>> maybe not. >>>> >>> >>> Maybe we are all finding answer via the search >>> engines or on Forums. >> >> >> They are good these days, BUT - you can't really >> *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk >> you through to an answer very well either. >> >> >>> Yourself just concluded a long series of >>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux >>> at least peripherally. >>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. >>> >>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos >> >> Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing - >> problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again >> it takes a certain amount of give and take to >> hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install >> and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great >> if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in >> there ...). >> >> I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX >> with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness >> would go very dark partway through boot and none >> of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to >> kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure >> lowish-level config file every time during boot, >> replacing the defective default being set >> *somewhere*. >> >> The underlying system is still fairly simple, but >> the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of >> interactions. > > Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people > such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use > Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort > except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem. I'm not going to take away your GUI ... indeed I've been putting them on servers for a long time now because they're so handy. Decent GUI tools can accomplish in minutes what would take hours to do in tweaking dozens of config files with a text editor (or 'vi' if you're REALLY a retro masochist). But, if I need to edit one or two files, I'm as likely to use 'nano' on the commmand line as 'leafpad' or whatever in a GUI. My point here is that GUIs are *complicated* collections of software - I doubt there's ANY ONE PERSON now that totally understands something like KDE, or maybe even LXDE, much less the 'X' or Wayland underneath. Too complex, too many contantly-moving sub-apps. People become specialists. Maybe they talk to each other, maybe they don't. I always put 'X' and LXDE on servers ... 'X' is old and somebody knows how to fix it and LXDE is the minimum "nice" GUI. Still hate LxQt ... the supposed replacement .... > My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting. Sunday > at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which > he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a > non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him > how to repair his system in about half the time he intended > to spend working on that. We are in San Francisco by the > way and he was coming in from B.C, CA. Another of our > experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with > family presently. That time of year. > > Personally being totally inexpert and barely > capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column > of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana > Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me > to do this is a member of our sadly diminished > Team Amiga mailing list. > > I am very good at asking for help as long as > I can keep the Latitude E7450 online. It comes from > having an overly large vocabulary, i think. > > Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet > Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down. > Look for posts in whatever interests you and either > learn or help others learn about the simplicity > underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the workers > who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated > Desktop Environments. > > And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping > to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing. As I said, "help pages" can be great - IF you have a common sort of problem. If it's something WEIRD, something requiring explainations in both directions, then forums, including usenet, are the only good way. You can get half a dozen specialists/semi-specialists in on the issue. As for PCLinuxOS ... it's a pretty good distro for people who mostly used Winders. However, if you're doing banking-type stuff, you are far safer using Linux than Winders. Winders is just TOO easy to break into, and its huge market share (and spite against MS) make it the biggest target for hackers by a wide margin. I just loved the MS fix for security issues - it was called Vista. It was basically a poost Win-7 beta system, but the big security improvement was to MAKE IT YOUR FAULT when you got hacked. It was unusable UNLESS you turned off almost all the security stuff. Even SE-Linux is more civil than Vista (though not by all THAT much :-) > bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” > After all here I am... >
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-11 20:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <smkr3t$6m9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33622 |
On 11/11/21 17:22, 166p1 wrote: > On 11/10/21 9:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote: >>> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: >>>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for >>>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... >>>>> maybe not. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe we are all finding answer via the search >>>> engines or on Forums. >>> >>> >>> They are good these days, BUT - you can't really >>> *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk >>> you through to an answer very well either. >>> >>> >>>> Yourself just concluded a long series of >>>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux >>>> at least peripherally. >>>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. >>>> >>>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos >>> >>> Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing - >>> problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again >>> it takes a certain amount of give and take to >>> hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install >>> and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great >>> if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in >>> there ...). >>> >>> I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX >>> with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness >>> would go very dark partway through boot and none >>> of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to >>> kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure >>> lowish-level config file every time during boot, >>> replacing the defective default being set >>> *somewhere*. >>> >>> The underlying system is still fairly simple, but >>> the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of >>> interactions. >> >> Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people >> such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use >> Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort >> except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem. > > > I'm not going to take away your GUI ... indeed I've > been putting them on servers for a long time now > because they're so handy. Decent GUI tools can > accomplish in minutes what would take hours to do > in tweaking dozens of config files with a text > editor (or 'vi' if you're REALLY a retro masochist). > > But, if I need to edit one or two files, I'm as > likely to use 'nano' on the commmand line as > 'leafpad' or whatever in a GUI. > > My point here is that GUIs are *complicated* > collections of software - I doubt there's ANY > ONE PERSON now that totally understands > something like KDE, or maybe even LXDE, much > less the 'X' or Wayland underneath. Too complex, > too many contantly-moving sub-apps. People become > specialists. Maybe they talk to each other, > maybe they don't. > > I always put 'X' and LXDE on servers ... 'X' is > old and somebody knows how to fix it and LXDE > is the minimum "nice" GUI. Still hate LxQt ... > the supposed replacement .... > >> My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting. Sunday >> at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which >> he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a >> non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him >> how to repair his system in about half the time he intended >> to spend working on that. We are in San Francisco by the >> way and he was coming in from B.C, CA. Another of our >> experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with >> family presently. That time of year. >> >> Personally being totally inexpert and barely >> capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column >> of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana >> Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me >> to do this is a member of our sadly diminished >> Team Amiga mailing list. >> >> I am very good at asking for help as long as >> I can keep the Latitude E7450 online. It comes from >> having an overly large vocabulary, i think. >> >> Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet >> Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down. >> Look for posts in whatever interests you and either >> learn or help others learn about the simplicity >> underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the workers >> who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated >> Desktop Environments. >> >> And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping >> to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing. At 5.15.1 now. > > > As I said, "help pages" can be great - IF you have > a common sort of problem. If it's something WEIRD, > something requiring explainations in both directions, > then forums, including usenet, are the only good way. > You can get half a dozen specialists/semi-specialists > in on the issue. > > As for PCLinuxOS ... it's a pretty good distro for > people who mostly used Winders. Well I mostly used AmigaOS 1.3-3.9 while the A2000 continued to work. I tried out XP on a laptop and swiched to Mandriva Linux before I could be seriously damaged. But KDE helps me make it look like the Amiga Workbench. Now a great many Linux distribution start out looking line XP which some Windows users remember fondly. It only makes a load of sense to have a familiar interface in front of the new user. Not nearly so scary as my multiple menu--multiple task bar Amiga imitation. > > However, if you're doing banking-type stuff, you > are far safer using Linux than Winders. Winders > is just TOO easy to break into, and its huge > market share (and spite against MS) make it > the biggest target for hackers by a wide margin. > > I just loved the MS fix for security issues - it > was called Vista. It was basically a poost Win-7 > beta system, but the big security improvement was > to MAKE IT YOUR FAULT when you got hacked. It was > unusable UNLESS you turned off almost all the security > stuff. Windows 11 even forces you to use Edge. <https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/12/huawei_euler_os_foss/?td=keepreading-btm> I had that on one of the few new machines I bought in the last 17 years. It had none of the endearingly naive qualities of XP. I should have erased it but I wanted to learn about GPT and UEFI. At one point I had about 6 different but not that much Linux distributions installed on a 6420, > > Even SE-Linux is more civil than Vista (though not > by all THAT much :-) I settle for Linux with built-in firewall. It seems to work. I mean I get about 5 phishing calls per day on my landline. If they could hack in they would not waste time on calling. bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-12 23:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <_MqdnQdtjKub3hL8nZ2dnUU7-Y_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33623 |
On 11/11/21 11:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 11/11/21 17:22, 166p1 wrote: >> On 11/10/21 9:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote: >>>> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: >>>>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for >>>>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... >>>>>> maybe not. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we are all finding answer via the search >>>>> engines or on Forums. >>>> >>>> >>>> They are good these days, BUT - you can't really >>>> *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk >>>> you through to an answer very well either. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yourself just concluded a long series of >>>>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux >>>>> at least peripherally. >>>>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. >>>>> >>>>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing - >>>> problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again >>>> it takes a certain amount of give and take to >>>> hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install >>>> and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great >>>> if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in >>>> there ...). >>>> >>>> I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX >>>> with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness >>>> would go very dark partway through boot and none >>>> of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to >>>> kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure >>>> lowish-level config file every time during boot, >>>> replacing the defective default being set >>>> *somewhere*. >>>> >>>> The underlying system is still fairly simple, but >>>> the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of >>>> interactions. >>> >>> Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people >>> such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use >>> Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort >>> except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem. >> >> >> I'm not going to take away your GUI ... indeed I've >> been putting them on servers for a long time now >> because they're so handy. Decent GUI tools can >> accomplish in minutes what would take hours to do >> in tweaking dozens of config files with a text >> editor (or 'vi' if you're REALLY a retro masochist). >> >> But, if I need to edit one or two files, I'm as >> likely to use 'nano' on the commmand line as >> 'leafpad' or whatever in a GUI. >> >> My point here is that GUIs are *complicated* >> collections of software - I doubt there's ANY >> ONE PERSON now that totally understands >> something like KDE, or maybe even LXDE, much >> less the 'X' or Wayland underneath. Too complex, >> too many contantly-moving sub-apps. People become >> specialists. Maybe they talk to each other, >> maybe they don't. >> >> I always put 'X' and LXDE on servers ... 'X' is >> old and somebody knows how to fix it and LXDE >> is the minimum "nice" GUI. Still hate LxQt ... >> the supposed replacement .... >> >>> My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting. Sunday >>> at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which >>> he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a >>> non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him >>> how to repair his system in about half the time he intended >>> to spend working on that. We are in San Francisco by the >>> way and he was coming in from B.C, CA. Another of our >>> experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with >>> family presently. That time of year. >>> >>> Personally being totally inexpert and barely >>> capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column >>> of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana >>> Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me >>> to do this is a member of our sadly diminished >>> Team Amiga mailing list. >>> >>> I am very good at asking for help as long as >>> I can keep the Latitude E7450 online. It comes from >>> having an overly large vocabulary, i think. >>> >>> Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet >>> Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down. >>> Look for posts in whatever interests you and either >>> learn or help others learn about the simplicity >>> underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the workers >>> who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated >>> Desktop Environments. >>> >>> And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping >>> to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing. > > At 5.15.1 now. Avoid point.zero distros :-) >> >> As I said, "help pages" can be great - IF you have >> a common sort of problem. If it's something WEIRD, >> something requiring explainations in both directions, >> then forums, including usenet, are the only good way. >> You can get half a dozen specialists/semi-specialists >> in on the issue. >> >> As for PCLinuxOS ... it's a pretty good distro for >> people who mostly used Winders. > > Well I mostly used AmigaOS 1.3-3.9 while the A2000 > continued to work. I tried out XP on a laptop and swiched > to Mandriva Linux before I could be seriously damaged. > > But KDE helps me make it look like the Amiga Workbench. Bought and Amiga-1000 ... had to give 'em TWO checks from different accounts to cover the price. DUMPED the thing a few months later because of all the damned "Guru Meditation" errors. > Now a great many Linux distribution start out looking > line XP which some Windows users remember fondly. It only > makes a load of sense to have a familiar interface in > front of the new user. Not nearly so scary as my multiple > menu--multiple task bar Amiga imitation. > >> >> However, if you're doing banking-type stuff, you >> are far safer using Linux than Winders. Winders >> is just TOO easy to break into, and its huge >> market share (and spite against MS) make it >> the biggest target for hackers by a wide margin. >> >> I just loved the MS fix for security issues - it >> was called Vista. It was basically a poost Win-7 >> beta system, but the big security improvement was >> to MAKE IT YOUR FAULT when you got hacked. It was >> unusable UNLESS you turned off almost all the security >> stuff. > > Windows 11 even forces you to use Edge. > <https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/12/huawei_euler_os_foss/?td=keepreading-btm> "Forces" ? Can't install Chrome or FFox ??? Somehow I doubt that. There would be lawsuits - anti-trust actions. Now IE ... that's WAY out of date and you shouldn't use it under any circumstances - indeed you shouldn't have used it under any circumstances even when it was current .... > I had that on one of the few new machines I bought > in the last 17 years. It had none of the endearingly naive > qualities of XP. I should have erased it but I wanted to > learn about GPT and UEFI. At one point I had about 6 different > but not that much Linux distributions installed on a 6420, I preferred Win-2K actually. Still have it on a VM. XP was too "busy" for my likes :-) The more 'eye candy' the less I like it. >> >> Even SE-Linux is more civil than Vista (though not >> by all THAT much :-) > > I settle for Linux with built-in firewall. Good choice. Works fine for anything but a net-facing router or web server. > It > seems to work. I mean I get about 5 phishing calls per day on > my landline. If they could hack in they would not waste time > on calling. Every so often I get fake "MS Tech" calls - saying my Winders has a horrible flaw they need to fix. I like to go along with them for a little while ... keep 'em tied up .... Because I *have no* Winders box :-) "Uh ... tell me ... where DO you find this product number thing you're talking about ... " > bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” > After all here I am... >
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-12 22:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <smnkaj$cec$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33630 |
On 11/12/21 20:45, 166p1 wrote: > On 11/11/21 11:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 11/11/21 17:22, 166p1 wrote: >>> On 11/10/21 9:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>> On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote: >>>>> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>>>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote: >>>>>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for >>>>>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ... >>>>>>> maybe not. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we are all finding answer via the search >>>>>> engines or on Forums. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are good these days, BUT - you can't really >>>>> *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk >>>>> you through to an answer very well either. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yourself just concluded a long series of >>>>>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux >>>>>> at least peripherally. >>>>>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens. >>>>>> >>>>>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing - >>>>> problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again >>>>> it takes a certain amount of give and take to >>>>> hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install >>>>> and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great >>>>> if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in >>>>> there ...). >>>>> >>>>> I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX >>>>> with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness >>>>> would go very dark partway through boot and none >>>>> of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to >>>>> kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure >>>>> lowish-level config file every time during boot, >>>>> replacing the defective default being set >>>>> *somewhere*. >>>>> >>>>> The underlying system is still fairly simple, but >>>>> the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of >>>>> interactions. >>>> >>>> Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people >>>> such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use >>>> Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort >>>> except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem. >>> >>> >>> I'm not going to take away your GUI ... indeed I've >>> been putting them on servers for a long time now >>> because they're so handy. Decent GUI tools can >>> accomplish in minutes what would take hours to do >>> in tweaking dozens of config files with a text >>> editor (or 'vi' if you're REALLY a retro masochist). >>> >>> But, if I need to edit one or two files, I'm as >>> likely to use 'nano' on the commmand line as >>> 'leafpad' or whatever in a GUI. >>> >>> My point here is that GUIs are *complicated* >>> collections of software - I doubt there's ANY >>> ONE PERSON now that totally understands >>> something like KDE, or maybe even LXDE, much >>> less the 'X' or Wayland underneath. Too complex, >>> too many contantly-moving sub-apps. People become >>> specialists. Maybe they talk to each other, >>> maybe they don't. >>> >>> I always put 'X' and LXDE on servers ... 'X' is >>> old and somebody knows how to fix it and LXDE >>> is the minimum "nice" GUI. Still hate LxQt ... >>> the supposed replacement .... >>> >>>> My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting. Sunday >>>> at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which >>>> he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a >>>> non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him >>>> how to repair his system in about half the time he intended >>>> to spend working on that. We are in San Francisco by the >>>> way and he was coming in from B.C, CA. Another of our >>>> experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with >>>> family presently. That time of year. >>>> >>>> Personally being totally inexpert and barely >>>> capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column >>>> of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana >>>> Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me >>>> to do this is a member of our sadly diminished >>>> Team Amiga mailing list. >>>> >>>> I am very good at asking for help as long as >>>> I can keep the Latitude E7450 online. It comes from >>>> having an overly large vocabulary, i think. >>>> >>>> Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet >>>> Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down. >>>> Look for posts in whatever interests you and either >>>> learn or help others learn about the simplicity >>>> underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the workers >>>> who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated >>>> Desktop Environments. >>>> >>>> And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping >>>> to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing. >> >> At 5.15.1 now. > > > Avoid point.zero distros :-) In other words don't be an early adopter. Let the young folk find out what is wrong with it. > > >>> >>> As I said, "help pages" can be great - IF you have >>> a common sort of problem. If it's something WEIRD, >>> something requiring explainations in both directions, >>> then forums, including usenet, are the only good way. >>> You can get half a dozen specialists/semi-specialists >>> in on the issue. >>> >>> As for PCLinuxOS ... it's a pretty good distro for >>> people who mostly used Winders. >> >> Well I mostly used AmigaOS 1.3-3.9 while the A2000 >> continued to work. I tried out XP on a laptop and swiched >> to Mandriva Linux before I could be seriously damaged. >> >> But KDE helps me make it look like the Amiga Workbench. > > > Bought an Amiga-1000 ... had to give 'em TWO checks > from different accounts to cover the price. DUMPED > the thing a few months later because of all the > damned "Guru Meditation" errors. Well did you get the 256 KB expansion? No you are an early adopter and doubtless could spare the expense. But early adopters frequently have more problems than anyone else. I bought my Amiga 1000 after years of longing to have one when the A2000 had come out and the A1000 were being traded in. I paid $100 and got keyboard adapter to use with a Amiga 2000 keyboard. I got a Sp9rit 1000 memory board and broke the 68000 chip(molded) and had a lovely time finding the best Amiga hardware man who had to hide the fact that he was repairing Amigas on the side he managed to fix in and installed a Machined 68000 chip. Later on I got a Zorro Exapansion box and got a GVP SCSI card with space 8 Gigabytes of memory adn eventually filled it up with ill-matched memory which I later replaced with a matched set of simms. The first hard drive I bought at a computer show was about 100 megabytes and was invisivle to the SCSI. So i blew $346 on a New 100 Megabyte Drive. And I was off to the races. But when I moved up to the A2000 I had a lot more trouble. And I spent a lot more on it over the years I used it. It died as I was getting familiar with Linux. > > >> Now a great many Linux distribution start out looking >> line XP which some Windows users remember fondly. It only >> makes a load of sense to have a familiar interface in >> front of the new user. Not nearly so scary as my multiple >> menu--multiple task bar Amiga imitation. >> >>> >>> However, if you're doing banking-type stuff, you >>> are far safer using Linux than Winders. Winders >>> is just TOO easy to break into, and its huge >>> market share (and spite against MS) make it >>> the biggest target for hackers by a wide margin. >>> >>> I just loved the MS fix for security issues - it >>> was called Vista. It was basically a poost Win-7 >>> beta system, but the big security improvement was >>> to MAKE IT YOUR FAULT when you got hacked. It was >>> unusable UNLESS you turned off almost all the security >>> stuff. >> >> Windows 11 even forces you to use Edge. >> <https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/12/huawei_euler_os_foss/?td=keepreading-btm> > > > > "Forces" ? Can't install Chrome or FFox ??? Somehow > I doubt that. There would be lawsuits - anti-trust > actions. > > Now IE ... that's WAY out of date and you shouldn't > use it under any circumstances - indeed you shouldn't > have used it under any circumstances even when it > was current .... > > >> I had that(Vista) on one of the few new machines I bought >> in the last 17 years. It had none of the endearingly naive >> qualities of XP. I should have erased it but I wanted to >> learn about GPT and UEFI. At one point I had about 6 different >> but not that much Linux distributions installed on a 6420, > > > I preferred Win-2K actually. Still have it on a VM. > XP was too "busy" for my likes :-) > > > The more 'eye candy' the less I like it. I do not consider the Desktop Environment to be eye candy but it can be arranged that way if users like that stuff we have 2 new sets of icons called if memory does not fail me Neon and Candy. But I see the DE as the interface to my programs. the hard thing to do is to find a set of icons that is complete and covers all the stuff I use fairly often. I have learned to start lots of programs that I seldom use from terminal/ > > >>> >>> Even SE-Linux is more civil than Vista (though not >>> by all THAT much :-) >> >> I settle for Linux with built-in firewall. > > Good choice. Works fine for anything but a net-facing > router or web server. > >> It >> seems to work. I mean I get about 5 phishing calls per day on >> my landline. If they could hack in they would not waste time >> on calling. > > Every so often I get fake "MS Tech" calls - saying > my Winders has a horrible flaw they need to fix. > I like to go along with them for a little while ... > keep 'em tied up .... > > Because I *have no* Winders box :-) > > "Uh ... tell me ... where DO you find this product > number thing you're talking about ... " > > >> bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” >> After all here I am... Well I get MS(ha, ha) calls as well, Regular calls to tell me my Apple Cloud account has been breached. Latest favorite is calling for approval of around a grand on an Iphone or IPad from Amason. I have never been able to afford an Apple though I could now but will not. I used to do IT stuff for an author. The old Dell quite and I was setting up another for him when he called to save me any effort as Friends had gotten him a Mac. Since he got the Mac his production has fallen toward Zero. Coming up on 22:00 here so good luck until we type again. Time for me to hit the new mattress. bliss-brought to you by the power of PCLinuxOS and minor graphic-mania -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-14 23:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <zq6dnTOAy4vCQAz8nZ2dnUU7-UfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33631 |
Several times lately I've been handed a "suspicious" mail - SAYS there's been like a $30,000 transaction to the company - but it's a tad vague on what the transaction was about, to who, from who. It urges you to click a link for "details". Oh, they sent it to five or six people, not just the accountant. When you look at the address it LOOKS like it comes from the USA. However when you look at the full mail headers you can see every server it passed through on the way. Only one, goddamned DigitalOcean, has a US presence ... all the rest went back to RIPE (europe) which is a convenient channel for Russians. DO apparently gives them a way to create a little pivot point so the mail will seem to be from a US source. The link was to a dot address, that isn't registered to anybody according to ARIN or its euro counterparts. Another one that's come up a few times has a link supposedly to DocuSign or one of those similar sites. However it wasn't a site - it was a link to a Excel spreadsheet with a big PICTURE that looked like a DocuSign web page. Running it in LibreOffice, in a BSD virtual machine, the message comes up that there are a bunch of macros that probably won't run correctly. Looking at THEM you see code that looks likely to download a software package. So - very high prob - malware or ransomware. They're SNEAKY these days ! Alas, unprepared, MOST people will just click on the links - and will be running Winders and Office. So, they get WHACKED and wonder why it happened. Either/or on your Winders and Linux, DO install VirtualBox and install a good Linux or BSD to it. Iffy e-mails - open them in THERE, well-isolated from your real system and a non-Winders environment. It's quick, and it's about the only safe way to do things these days. And as for Apple - snob-elite closed-box crap IMHO. I do have an Apple-II ... but haven't run it in like 25 years. Probably still works though.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-14 21:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <smsq0t$m7n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33643 |
On 11/14/21 20:09, 166p1 wrote:
> Several times lately I've been handed a "suspicious"
> mail - SAYS there's been like a $30,000 transaction
> to the company - but it's a tad vague on what the
> transaction was about, to who, from who. It urges
> you to click a link for "details". Oh, they sent it
> to five or six people, not just the accountant.
Phishing for the information WE must not give
them or to get US to pull down a document that will
load malware.
I get pseudo-notices from my email provider
or from my ISP that are nothing but phishing attempts.
i already mentioned the calls for other stuff I do
not use.
>
> When you look at the address it LOOKS like it comes
> from the USA. However when you look at the full mail
> headers you can see every server it passed through
> on the way. Only one, goddamned DigitalOcean, has
> a US presence ... all the rest went back to RIPE
> (europe) which is a convenient channel for Russians.
> DO apparently gives them a way to create a little
> pivot point so the mail will seem to be from a US
> source. The link was to a dot address, that isn't
> registered to anybody according to ARIN or its
> euro counterparts.
>
> Another one that's come up a few times has a link
> supposedly to DocuSign or one of those similar
> sites. However it wasn't a site - it was a link
> to a Excel spreadsheet with a big PICTURE that
> looked like a DocuSign web page.
>
> Running it in LibreOffice, in a BSD virtual machine,
> the message comes up that there are a bunch of macros
> that probably won't run correctly. Looking at THEM
> you see code that looks likely to download a software
> package. So - very high prob - malware or ransomware.
>
> They're SNEAKY these days !
They (the con men) have been sneaky for a long
long time.
>
> Alas, unprepared, MOST people will just click on
> the links - and will be running Winders and Office.
> So, they get WHACKED and wonder why it happened.
>
> Either/or on your Winders and Linux, DO install
> VirtualBox and install a good Linux or BSD to it.
> Iffy e-mails - open them in THERE, well-isolated
> from your real system and a non-Winders environment.
> It's quick, and it's about the only safe way to
> do things these days.
A good thought. But the people who fall prey to
the swindles and malware reject the idea of trying to go
beyond webmail and browsing, Too scary to think they
might be able to learn to do NEW things.
>
> And as for Apple - snob-elite closed-box crap IMHO.
> I do have an Apple-II ... but haven't run it in
> like 25 years. Probably still works though.
Well a person who buys an Mac or an Ipad/phone
etc, can probably afford it and the difficulties s/he
might have with it. i never could afford an Apple which
is why I started with a Commodore 64 on sale for a
manageable $199.99 in the 1980s.
Hey that Apple II if running might be worth a
bit to collectors. Turn it into cash. Save storage
space.
bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
and a minor case of hypergraphia
--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-15 13:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87v90tpa4x.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33644 |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 21:08:43 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > On 11/14/21 20:09, 166p1 wrote: > >> And as for Apple - snob-elite closed-box crap IMHO. >> I do have an Apple-II ... but haven't run it in >> like 25 years. Probably still works though. > > Well a person who buys an Mac or an Ipad/phone > etc, can probably afford it and the difficulties s/he > might have with it. i never could afford an Apple which > is why I started with a Commodore 64 on sale for a > manageable $199.99 in the 1980s. Started with a C64 in 1984 when it became affordable. Seems it outperformed the Apple 2 while the C64 cost a fraction. Amazing in my opinion many people chose the Apple over the much cheaper and "better" C64. Btw. got your mail ad replied, but it's stuck in the mail queue of my ISP, still trying to deliver. But I'm afraid it will eventually (in some 12 hours from ow) bounce. -- Andreas
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-11-20 09:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsphg1d.1ap.sc@scarpet42p.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #33645 |
Le 15-11-2021, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> a écrit : > > Btw. got your mail ad replied, but it's stuck in the mail queue of my > ISP, still trying to deliver. But I'm afraid it will eventually (in some > 12 hours from ow) bounce. His email is invalid, he knows it, of course. I already received emails from him, and when I replied I get a bounce because of it. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-20 12:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87sfvq3epk.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33686 |
On 20 Nov 2021 09:30:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > > Le 15-11-2021, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> a écrit : >> >> Btw. got your mail ad replied, but it's stuck in the mail queue of my >> ISP, still trying to deliver. But I'm afraid it will eventually (in some >> 12 hours from ow) bounce. > > His email is invalid, he knows it, of course. I already received emails > from him, and when I replied I get a bounce because of it. He wrote me a mail with a probably valid email address. But his ISP wouldn't accept it anyway. F'up2 poster. -- Andreas
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-17 01:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3NmdnfszYbZPAgn8nZ2dnUU7-SvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33644 |
On 11/15/21 12:08 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 11/14/21 20:09, 166p1 wrote: >> Several times lately I've been handed a "suspicious" >> mail - SAYS there's been like a $30,000 transaction >> to the company - but it's a tad vague on what the >> transaction was about, to who, from who. It urges >> you to click a link for "details". Oh, they sent it >> to five or six people, not just the accountant. > > Phishing for the information WE must not give > them or to get US to pull down a document that will > load malware. > I get pseudo-notices from my email provider > or from my ISP that are nothing but phishing attempts. > i already mentioned the calls for other stuff I do > not use. The PROBLEM is not the Informed ... it' that Average User who is both credulous and clicks on those links without a second thought. Any one of them can bring down a whole org. Remember the old old days ... "If it's on TV then it HAS to be true !" ? Well, the same mentality still applies to e-mails. >> >> When you look at the address it LOOKS like it comes >> from the USA. However when you look at the full mail >> headers you can see every server it passed through >> on the way. Only one, goddamned DigitalOcean, has >> a US presence ... all the rest went back to RIPE >> (europe) which is a convenient channel for Russians. >> DO apparently gives them a way to create a little >> pivot point so the mail will seem to be from a US >> source. The link was to a dot address, that isn't >> registered to anybody according to ARIN or its >> euro counterparts. >> >> Another one that's come up a few times has a link >> supposedly to DocuSign or one of those similar >> sites. However it wasn't a site - it was a link >> to a Excel spreadsheet with a big PICTURE that >> looked like a DocuSign web page. >> >> Running it in LibreOffice, in a BSD virtual machine, >> the message comes up that there are a bunch of macros >> that probably won't run correctly. Looking at THEM >> you see code that looks likely to download a software >> package. So - very high prob - malware or ransomware. >> >> They're SNEAKY these days ! > > They (the con men) have been sneaky for a long > long time. They understand human weaknesses, very much so. >> >> Alas, unprepared, MOST people will just click on >> the links - and will be running Winders and Office. >> So, they get WHACKED and wonder why it happened. >> >> Either/or on your Winders and Linux, DO install >> VirtualBox and install a good Linux or BSD to it. >> Iffy e-mails - open them in THERE, well-isolated >> from your real system and a non-Winders environment. >> It's quick, and it's about the only safe way to >> do things these days. > > A good thought. But the people who fall prey to > the swindles and malware reject the idea of trying to go > beyond webmail and browsing, Too scary to think they > might be able to learn to do NEW things. The people I take care of ... I drill into them the signs of an iffy mail - and tell them to forward it to me. Then I will do the tests and get back to them. It's more work for me - short term - but a LOT less messy than restoring everything after a ransomware attack. Did THAT already. A useful psych technique is to set their boxes to ASK what to do with Word or Excel links/attachments instead of just automatically running them. This gives pause, a chance to THINK about it. Every evil mail I send a paragraph about WHAT was wrong about it - nothing preachy, just a brief explaination. This educates without SEEMING like education. Alas, I'm about at the retirement point. Don't know who will do the education, do the tests, after I'm out of the picture. Nobody likely .... >> And as for Apple - snob-elite closed-box crap IMHO. >> I do have an Apple-II ... but haven't run it in >> like 25 years. Probably still works though. > > Well a person who buys an Mac or an Ipad/phone > etc, can probably afford it and the difficulties s/he > might have with it. i never could afford an Apple which > is why I started with a Commodore 64 on sale for a > manageable $199.99 in the 1980s. My first stuff was piles of punch-cards to be submitted to the priests at the Computer Center. Helped to offer some minor bribe if you wanted them to be run today, rather than next week :-) My first "affordable" PC was a VIC-20. I kinda liked those - still have an emulator for entertainment purposes. C-64 was like my 3rd PC ... had a TI-99 in-between. Also "closed box" philosophy - which worked for Apple but doomed TI. Interesting CPU however ... a multi-user/tasking setup supported by actual dedicated CPU instructions .... The IBMs came later. I especially remember the first hard disk I installed - a whopping 10-MB Rodime, and you had to buy a card to run it. Made the boot take about five minutes. My old boss spent all weekend trying to make it work ... the problem was that he'd only wait about two minutes and assume there was some horrible problem. Came in monday and waited 5 minutes ... Lotus-123 and WordStar were SO much faster ! 20-MB ... they came with a printed list of bad sectors. The company didn't FIX those however, just FOUND them. You had to use DEBUG directed to a port on the drives and manually enter the bad sectors ...... > Hey that Apple II if running might be worth a > bit to collectors. Turn it into cash. Save storage > space. Every year I wait, the more it's worth :-) I DO power it about once a year - to keep the old capacitors happy. Those are the death of old hardware. MAY still have that Rodime disk somewhere ... "Double Height" and weighed about five pounds. Alas, need an "MFM" card to work it and those don't grow on trees anymore ... ain't been around since the early days of the ISA buss.
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| From | Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-17 14:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <28c813d12d3795fe733371e73830f3eb@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #33652 |
166p1 <z24ba6.net>: 166p1> The PROBLEM is not the Informed ... it' that Average User who 166p1> is both credulous and clicks on those links without a second 166p1> thought. Any one of them can bring down a whole org. Only if the org has incompetent admins (or no admins at all) and uses insecure-by-design windows PCs that are not properly locked.
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-20 01:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <U9idnQsp56NwDwX8nZ2dnUU7-L_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33654 |
On 11/17/21 8:25 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > 166p1 <z24ba6.net>: > 166p1> The PROBLEM is not the Informed ... it' that Average User who > 166p1> is both credulous and clicks on those links without a second > 166p1> thought. Any one of them can bring down a whole org. > > Only if the org has incompetent admins (or no admins at all) > and uses insecure-by-design windows PCs that are not properly > locked. And IF you try to lock them down THAT tight - emulating Vista or worse - they won't put up with it. Daily tasks become almost un-doable. Valuable people QUIT over such shit. Bosses wonder why productivity has plummeted. And no, you are NOT going to get everybody to switch to Linux or OpenBSD. Not nearly enough "world standard" apps for them, plus users might have to KNOW something about computers too .... In short, a fantasy world. 95% ARE going to be Winders forever and always, that's the truth of it. 95% of the users WILL be click-pretty-link stupid at least once in a while (or All The Time). This is the truth the bad actors are WELL aware of. So, ASSUME bad things ARE gonna happen. Here's what I've done of late : For the important boxes, install Macrium Reflect Free. Write a Python script or just a batch file to open a shared backup drive (on a Linux box of course) just before it's needed, and then close it again after. Keep at least two backups of each box. Lunch hour has proven best. Then, on the Linux box, make dupes of the backups to at least one other place. A DropBox Pro account that keeps layered copies is good and not very expensive. Encourage, indeed try to coerce, users to store their working files on a network drive rather than C: ... then you can backup those at night, again in multiple places/ways. Always pre-encrypt any data going to any 'cloud' storage site no matter WHAT they claim about security or promises about never selling your data. In this way you can mitigate the damage that IS going to happen, have the core of the org back up and running pretty damned quick. This is the reality. You will NEVER be able to impose enough "systemic" security on Winders boxes - they're just not designed for it and/or will be such a pain they'll hire a more mellow IT guru. Small/medium biz just ain't the DOD's nuclear weapons lab. THERE you might get away with the hyper-anal security measures (actually there should be NO Winders boxes in such an org). But Mom & Pop org and other smaller biz/govt sorts, you need to take the "quick recovery" tact forwards instead.
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| From | Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> |
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| Date | 2021-11-16 12:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsp77ei.qua.whynot@orphan.zombinet> |
| In reply to | #33643 |
with <zq6dnTOAy4vCQAz8nZ2dnUU7-UfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> 166p1 wrote: *SKIP* > When you look at the address it LOOKS like it comes from the USA. > However when you look at the full mail headers you can see every > server it passed through on the way. Only one, goddamned DigitalOcean, > has a US presence ... all the rest went back to RIPE (europe) which is > a convenient channel for Russians. RIPE has nothing to do with it (IOW -- coincidence). You must have missed it, last week FBI was just as good as any other ;) What bothers me (not really, but curious nevertheless) is why Google is A-OK with passing around spam (I'm not sure if no-attachment and/or text/plain requests for callbacks constitute fishing). I mean, I see how it works and still Google doesn't care. *SKIP* > Another one that's come up a few times has a link supposedly to > DocuSign or one of those similar sites. However it wasn't a site - it > was a link to a Excel spreadsheet with a big PICTURE that looked like > a DocuSign web page. Yup, just today got another .xlsb (what .xlsb is anyway?) to check with Virustotal. Not to be proud or something but this year I was first to upload twice. *CUT* -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom
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| From | "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2021-11-16 13:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <op.1cyrgnfsa3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net> |
| In reply to | #33649 |
On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 07:02:26 -0500, Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> wrote: > Yup, just today got another .xlsb (what .xlsb is anyway?) to check with Excel spreadsheet, binary version. Regards, Dave Hodgins
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-16 16:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <875ysrpzmi.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33649 |
On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 12:02:26 +0000, Eric Pozharski wrote: > > Yup, just today got another .xlsb (what .xlsb is anyway?) to check with > Virustotal. Not to be proud or something but this year I was first to > upload twice. Those in my opinion are not malicious but contain information how to contact the scammer. Am interested. If you still have it, could you put it into an encrypted ZIP file (that the mail ISP cannot check against a database of scammy files), email it to me (address is valid) and tell me the password you gave the ZIP file? I'll have a look what's inside then. Thanks. -- Andreas
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| From | 166p1 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-17 01:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3YqdnTlZp8zePAn8nZ2dnUU7-evNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33651 |
On 11/16/21 4:19 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 12:02:26 +0000, Eric Pozharski wrote: >> >> Yup, just today got another .xlsb (what .xlsb is anyway?) to check with >> Virustotal. Not to be proud or something but this year I was first to >> upload twice. > > Those in my opinion are not malicious but contain information how to > contact the scammer. Am interested. If you still have it, could you put > it into an encrypted ZIP file (that the mail ISP cannot check against a > database of scammy files), email it to me (address is valid) and tell me > the password you gave the ZIP file? I'll have a look what's inside then. Is there a usenet group dedicated to e-mail scams and how to spot them ? If not, there OUGHT to be. This has become a PLAGUE of late. How to spot the tricks and, most importantly, how to keep Joe User from just automatically clicking those links ........ I'd far rather check 100 iffy e-mails than have to restore dozens of PCs after a ransomware attack. Been there ....
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