Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Baho Utot Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Learning about the Kernal Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:56:25 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3161ub-dak2.ln1@raspberry-pi.bildanet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="36289f8929254428b33b881414c6f292"; logging-data="21069"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/5eFnBnvZ0LpKkSO5FRyKQA/ppeRh3VQQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:OoBP2wLMNxhamqiRFDvi1hPQU3Q= Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:14201 On 03/21/15 15:54, ruben safir wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:20:34 -0400, Michael Black wrote: > >> So at this point, anyone wanting to compile a kernel is doing it for >> some specific need, maybe the challenge, maybe they have some obscure >> hardware, >> maybe they are just interested in making it smaller. But most people >> can live with the bloated kernel that comes with any distribution. > > I have news for you. It was no easier or harder back in the late > nineties to load an OS than it is today. And when you go to the shelf > today and grab COTS hardware, it is HARDER, not easier to get it to work > because so much of the system is now obsfucated from the user and the > dependency of binary blobs has skyrocketed, and standards have been > abandoned. > > If you don't want to learn to use your kernel, to compile it, to > understand how it fits in with the rest of your system, it is no sweat > off my brow. Just don't get uppity when I want to actually learn how > these things fit together, like a normal person who depends on these > systems for real work would want to. > > As for the observation about grub2 and kernel compilation question, > OBVIOUSLY the two are directly related which is why LILo was run from the > make files at one time. > > grub and grub2 sucks. It adds complications without reason and wastes > time that can be better prent doing work. > > Ruben > > > Or just move to FreeBSD... the sane way to do things