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  plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-04-02 14:36 +0000
    Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-02 15:12 +0000
      Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-04-03 05:35 +0000
        Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-03 12:04 +0000
          Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-03 17:56 +0000
            Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2013-04-03 18:11 +0000
            Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-03 20:28 +0000
              Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-03 23:27 -0400
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-03 21:35 -0700
                  Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2013-04-04 20:15 +0000
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-04-04 08:36 -0400
                  Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-04 13:59 +0000
                    Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-05 07:53 +0000
                      Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-05 15:50 +0000
                        Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-05 09:17 -0700
                        Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-05 18:38 +0000
                          Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-05 19:57 +0100
                            Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi "Nick B." <nick@replytoisnot.invalid> - 2013-04-05 22:12 +0000
                          Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-05 21:24 +0000
    Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-02 13:43 -0400
      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-04-03 05:35 +0000
        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-02 23:02 -0700
          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-04 06:41 +0000
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-04 11:53 +0000
              Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2013-04-04 08:20 -0700
              Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-04-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-04 09:45 -0700
                  Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-04 13:43 -0400
                  Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-04-04 14:43 -0500
                    Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-04 13:43 -0700
                      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-04-04 16:28 -0500
                        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-04 16:03 -0700
                        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-04 21:15 -0400
        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2013-04-03 21:23 +0100
          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-04 08:57 +0000
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2013-04-04 22:34 +0100
              Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-04 21:17 -0400
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2013-04-06 13:17 +0100
                  Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Nick Odell <gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> - 2013-04-06 14:01 +0100
                    Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2013-04-06 15:42 +0100
                    Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2013-04-06 15:31 +0000
                      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-06 11:51 -0400
                        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-06 17:08 +0100
                          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2013-04-06 17:27 +0100
                          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-04-06 18:28 +0200
                            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-06 19:54 +0100
                        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2013-04-06 17:07 +0000
                          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2013-04-06 18:54 +0100
                    Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Chris Baird <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> - 2013-04-07 06:10 +1000
                      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2013-04-06 22:11 +0100
                        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Chris Baird <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> - 2013-04-07 18:01 +1000
                      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-06 20:23 -0400
                        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-07 16:42 +0000
              Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-05 06:18 +0000
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2013-04-05 13:38 +0100

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#1711

In article <5k60m8h413hq0s097fto0ll2jlh96mlehr@4ax.com>,
Nick Odell  <gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:

>I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
>because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
>a pre-beginner, really.

While I'm all for Usenet, etc. this group is coming over a year after the
Pi went on-sale and as such, there is a years worth of information in the
forums on rasperrypi.org, as well as an FAQ and many wiki pages - not to
mention many many websites that have sprung up giving out information,
software, selling hardware and so on for the Pi.

(And #raspberry pi exists on Freenode, and has been there for over a
year too)

Unless you've a real aversion to the interwebs then start on the forums,
you'll find far more there than anywhere else right now.

Gordon

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#1712

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Gordon Henderson wrote:

> In article <5k60m8h413hq0s097fto0ll2jlh96mlehr@4ax.com>,
> Nick Odell  <gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
>> because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
>> a pre-beginner, really.
>
> While I'm all for Usenet, etc. this group is coming over a year after the
> Pi went on-sale and as such, there is a years worth of information in the
> forums on rasperrypi.org, as well as an FAQ and many wiki pages - not to
> mention many many websites that have sprung up giving out information,
> software, selling hardware and so on for the Pi.
>
That's the issue.  People jump to the web forums, when really it's a slim 
replication of Usenet.  But since the traffic is there, a new space won't 
necessarily have traffic.

If this newsgroup can't be seeded with useful information to begin with, 
then it won't lure people and it will just be a blank newsgroup.

> (And #raspberry pi exists on Freenode, and has been there for over a
> year too)
>
> Unless you've a real aversion to the interwebs then start on the forums,
> you'll find far more there than anywhere else right now.
>
SOme of us do.  I remember the whining over fifteen years ago about 
usenet, but then those people never came.  Instead they bought into the 
web as a passive experience, until forums became common, at which point 
they talked about "web 2.0".  They claim the forums are so much better, 
yet crossposting, spam, all the "lol's", that stuff comes from decades of 
networking on Usenet.  It makes us invisible.

I don't want to see your photo, I don't want informationa about you, I 
want to see what you have to say. I dont' care about seeing photos of 
endless replications of the same project.  Yes, photos can be useful at 
times, but that's why the web and URLs were created, I can just as easily 
point to a photo "on the web" from here by putting the URL in as by using 
a new fangled web forum.  And too often, because it can be done and there 
is no self-limiting and it doesn't cost the poster a thing, people post 
endless photos.  Just more stuff to wade through.

I have sampled some forums in recent months, because I actually got DSL 
instead of the dialup I'd had since 1996.  DSL makes that junk, that high 
overhead, possible, yet of course it comes at the cost of people spending 
a lot more for internet access.  Even using a text only browser, there's a 
fairly high overhead for web forums.

The problem isn't that web forums exist, because many of the people using 
them would never have come to Usenet. But, since the traffic is over 
there, too many of us have left usenet, going where the traffic is, and 
that's why Usenet is dying.  If numbers had remained the same, we'd be a 
minority but still healthy, but instead not only are we dwarfed by the 
number of people using the web forums, but too many have left usenet to go 
where the traffic is.

Every time I've seen a newsgroup fade away because the traffic has gone 
elsewhere, a very deliberate move in some cases, I refuse to follow.  I 
just no longer participate in that topic.  Yes, it's extremely sad that 
the healthiest newsgroup I still read is about tv.  At some point I'll 
leave Usenet too, because there's no longer enough content, but it won't 
be to go somewhere else, I'll just stop.

   Michael

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#1713

On 06/04/13 16:51, Michael Black wrote:

> I don't want to see your photo, I don't want informationa about you,
> I want to see what you have to say. I dont' care about seeing photos
> of endless replications of the same project.  Yes, photos can be
> useful at times, but that's why the web and URLs were created, I can
> just as easily point to a photo "on the web" from here by putting the
> URL in as by using a new fangled web forum.  And too often, because
> it can be done and there is no self-limiting and it doesn't cost the
> poster a thing, people post endless photos.  Just more stuff to wade
> through.
>
>

And thereby hangs an interesting issue; SOME things are ABSOLUTELY 'a
picture tells a thousand words' type subjects. Anything to do with
actually physically building something or taking it apart and fixing
it demands photos really.

They are UTTERLY superfluous with code, unless they are screenshots of a 
GUI.

I have no particular ex to grind: usenet for chatting where its 
appropriate, web forums for things that need pictures.


-- 
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

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#1714

On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 17:08:43 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 06/04/13 16:51, Michael Black wrote:
> 
> > I don't want to see your photo, I don't want informationa about you,
> > I want to see what you have to say. I dont' care about seeing photos
> > of endless replications of the same project.  Yes, photos can be
> > useful at times, but that's why the web and URLs were created, I can
> > just as easily point to a photo "on the web" from here by putting the
> > URL in as by using a new fangled web forum.  And too often, because
> > it can be done and there is no self-limiting and it doesn't cost the
> > poster a thing, people post endless photos.  Just more stuff to wade
> > through.
> >
> >
> 
> And thereby hangs an interesting issue; SOME things are ABSOLUTELY 'a
> picture tells a thousand words' type subjects. Anything to do with
> actually physically building something or taking it apart and fixing
> it demands photos really.
> 
> They are UTTERLY superfluous with code, unless they are screenshots of a 
> GUI.
> 
> I have no particular ex to grind: usenet for chatting where its 
> appropriate, web forums for things that need pictures.

Over the last 20 years or so I find the number of newsgroups I'm subscribed to
hasn't changed much. However, the *type* of group I read has changed a lot.

The forums I'm subscribed to has slowly risen but they are quite different.
Several are web cartoons - including the obligatory xkcd :)

-- 
W J G

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#1715

On Saturday 06 April 2013 18:08, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the 
following to comp.os.linux.hardware...

> I have no particular ex to grind [...]
                       ^^

Freudian slip? :-D

-- 
= Aragorn =
  GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net

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#1718

On 06/04/13 17:28, Aragorn wrote:
> On Saturday 06 April 2013 18:08, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the
> following to comp.os.linux.hardware...
>
>> I have no particular ex to grind [...]
>                         ^^
>
> Freudian slip? :-D
>
absolutely. I never deny anything.

-- 
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to 
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the 
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are 
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a 
diminishing number of producers.

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#1716

In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1304061139400.4909@darkstar.example.org>,
Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Gordon Henderson wrote:
>
>> In article <5k60m8h413hq0s097fto0ll2jlh96mlehr@4ax.com>,
>> Nick Odell  <gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
>>> because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
>>> a pre-beginner, really.
>>
>> While I'm all for Usenet, etc. this group is coming over a year after the
>> Pi went on-sale and as such, there is a years worth of information in the
>> forums on rasperrypi.org, as well as an FAQ and many wiki pages - not to
>> mention many many websites that have sprung up giving out information,
>> software, selling hardware and so on for the Pi.
>>
>That's the issue.  People jump to the web forums, when really it's a slim 
>replication of Usenet.  But since the traffic is there, a new space won't 
>necessarily have traffic.
>
>If this newsgroup can't be seeded with useful information to begin with, 
>then it won't lure people and it will just be a blank newsgroup.
>
>> (And #raspberry pi exists on Freenode, and has been there for over a
>> year too)
>>
>> Unless you've a real aversion to the interwebs then start on the forums,
>> you'll find far more there than anywhere else right now.
>>
>SOme of us do.  I remember the whining over fifteen years ago about 
>usenet, but then those people never came.  Instead they bought into the 
>web as a passive experience, until forums became common, at which point 
>they talked about "web 2.0".  They claim the forums are so much better, 
>yet crossposting, spam, all the "lol's", that stuff comes from decades of 
>networking on Usenet.  It makes us invisible.

I whinged too, but I mostly moved on. There are still a small number
of usenet groups I read, but everything else - it's rinky dinky webby
forums, blogs, etc. Either move with it, or be left out. And you don't
need to make effort to visit them either - there are RSS, etc. feeds
than can bring it all to you.

I watched a very active SCUBA mailing list actually mostly move to usenet
in the late 1990's then within a year or so, vanish almost completely
when the web forums took over.  You can't stop it... You can ignore
it, but when what? All the good Pi information right now is on the
raspberrypi.org forums. The people on usenet? Well, that'll mostly be
the RISC-OS crowd, won't it?

Someone will gateway the forum to usenet at some point no-doubt, but look
at the whinging and bleating that goes on on uk.d-i-y regarding the
diy-banter forum...

>I don't want to see your photo, I don't want informationa about you, I 
>want to see what you have to say.

These days I do want accountability - and that for me includes a photo
and background information. Without accountability, you're just an
anonymous handle on the intertubes. At a conference thing a few weeks
ago someone came and said hello to me - introduced as his real name
(as that was what was on his badge), but I didn't give him much time -
turned out he was someone I really did want to talk to, but all I knew
was his online "handle". The price for being pseudo-anonymous online?

And that's progress, as they say...

Gordon
-- 
Gordons Projects in Devon, UK
  Projects, Internet Technology, Sysadmin and Training
https://projects.drogon.net/    twitter: @drogon

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#1717

On 06/04/13 18:07, Gordon Henderson wrote:
> All the good Pi information right now is on the raspberrypi.org
> forums.

Those forums exist because the RPi Foundation started them as part of 
their educational project. They could hardly send six-year-olds to 
Usenet. There's also a lot of more specialised information in blogland, 
the sort of thing which the same kind of people wrote about on dialup 
BBs years ago.

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#1719

 > (from comp.sys.raspberry-pi) It depends on how evangelical you are
 > feeling. If the group is only for the cognoscenti then you don't need
 > much.

 > If on the other hand, you are trying to encourage people like
 > me (I only know about the Pi from what I've read in TheRegister)

I'm actually hoping a Usenet group /would/ be something off-road from
the existing RPi world.. The reason the webforums suck so much is
they're full of hopeless mouthbreathers-- "hAY gUISE! eVEN tHOUGH tHE
rASPBERRY pIE hAS bEEN sPAMMED aCROSS tHE bLOGOSPHERE aND tECHNEWS
sIGHTS cONSTANTLY fOR tHE lAST tWO yEARS, i'VE oNLY jUST hEARD oF tHEM!!
... i'M 52, aND i wAnt tO gET iNTO cOMPUTERS!"

Another thing that sucks about webforums is the heavy censorship on
negative opinions, such as pointlessly expensive shit like the Gertboard
and other ManToys that don't even try to hide the cost that totally
excludes them from the Foundation's supposed charter of getting
teenagers into self-directed programming. (/SMD/ soldering?)

 > I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
 > because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
 > a pre-beginner, really.

"Hay Guise! I'll give you lots of Internet backpats for putting up with
my questions filling the newsgroup that I could've solved in seconds if
I cared to use Google, but I'm a social person, and I wanna Interact
Over Internets~~"

-- 
Chris

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#1720

On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 06:10:41 +1000
Chris Baird <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
> On 06/04/13 14:01, Nick Odell wrote:

<snip>

>  > I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
>  > because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
>  > a pre-beginner, really.
> 
> "Hay Guise! I'll give you lots of Internet backpats for putting up with
> my questions filling the newsgroup that I could've solved in seconds if
> I cared to use Google, but I'm a social person, and I wanna Interact
> Over Internets~~"

On the other hand, I remember my first stumbling attempts on usenet some 20
years ago. Fortunately it was some time before I met up with anyone as
aggressive as you seem to be.

P.S.
O/P reference restored.

-- 
W J G

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#1722

 > Fortunately it was some time before I met up with
 > anyone as aggressive as you seem to be.

It's day 7159 of Harsh week 1993.

-- 
C,,

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#1721

On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Chris Baird wrote:

>
> > (from comp.sys.raspberry-pi) It depends on how evangelical you are
> > feeling. If the group is only for the cognoscenti then you don't need
> > much.
>
> > If on the other hand, you are trying to encourage people like
> > me (I only know about the Pi from what I've read in TheRegister)
>
> I'm actually hoping a Usenet group /would/ be something off-road from
> the existing RPi world.. The reason the webforums suck so much is
> they're full of hopeless mouthbreathers-- "hAY gUISE! eVEN tHOUGH tHE
> rASPBERRY pIE hAS bEEN sPAMMED aCROSS tHE bLOGOSPHERE aND tECHNEWS
> sIGHTS cONSTANTLY fOR tHE lAST tWO yEARS, i'VE oNLY jUST hEARD oF tHEM!!
> ... i'M 52, aND i wAnt tO gET iNTO cOMPUTERS!"
>
> Another thing that sucks about webforums is the heavy censorship on
> negative opinions, such as pointlessly expensive shit like the Gertboard
> and other ManToys that don't even try to hide the cost that totally
> excludes them from the Foundation's supposed charter of getting
> teenagers into self-directed programming. (/SMD/ soldering?)
>
You mean, like the "starter kit" from "Make" that's only $129.99, and 
gives you all you need to get started, a book, an SD card, some cables, an 
AC adapter, a case, a breakout box, and actual Pi?  There's no sense 
having a $35 board if you are in effect telling people they can't get 
started without all this other junk.  It's actually making a statement,
and one which goes completely against the concept of a $25 or $35 board,
and it really is about profit, not "being helpful".

Wait for an SD card to go on sale in one of the flyers, dig around in the 
garbage until you find a suitable AC adapter, or run it off some scrapped 
power supply from a computer or something else, wait to find a desired 
cables at a garage sale, or go to a dollar store. Be actually helpful so 
the kid can make do with what he can find or scrounge, having spent all 
his allowance on the Raspberry Pi board.


> > I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
> > because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
> > a pre-beginner, really.
>
> "Hay Guise! I'll give you lots of Internet backpats for putting up with
> my questions filling the newsgroup that I could've solved in seconds if
> I cared to use Google, but I'm a social person, and I wanna Interact
> Over Internets~~"
>
It's the new internet, everyone is supposed to have a place, so we dumb 
things down, like that $129.99 "starter kit" that means people can enter 
without any effort (except spending money).

In some circles, that's exactly what the Pi is being used for, not to 
"hack" (ie learning through experience) but buying off the shelf to 
replicate what someone else has done.  For a lot of things, the Pi will be 
overkill, but since it's cheap people will use it for mundane things where 
a simple logic IC might do the job, for virtually nothing, except that 
requires soldering skill and learning.

   Michael

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#1723

On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:23:56 -0400, someone wrote:

> I'm actually hoping a Usenet group /would/ be something off-road from
> the existing RPi world.. The reason the webforums suck so much is
> they're full of hopeless mouthbreathers-- "hAY gUISE! eVEN tHOUGH tHE
> rASPBERRY pIE hAS bEEN sPAMMED aCROSS tHE bLOGOSPHERE aND tECHNEWS
> sIGHTS cONSTANTLY fOR tHE lAST tWO yEARS, i'VE oNLY jUST hEARD oF tHEM!!
> ... i'M 52, aND i wAnt tO gET iNTO cOMPUTERS!"
>
> Another thing that sucks about webforums is the heavy censorship on
> negative opinions, such as pointlessly expensive shit like the Gertboard
> and other ManToys that don't even try to hide the cost that totally
> excludes them from the Foundation's supposed charter of getting
> teenagers into self-directed programming. (/SMD/ soldering?)

Yes, perhaps that's inevitable since it's privately owned/controlled.
So I THANK the persons who initiated this USEnet group.

One thing about ASKING and using some else's experience rather than
searching [on google] is that 1. rPi is new and not all questions
have been fielded yet; 2. even though the fact of serial-txt output
from the 'header pins' is listed somewhere already in the docos;
in my case I didn't REMEMBER that RS232 is not just TTL-levels.
So it seems to me that directly connecting to a PC-ser-port is not 
feasible. But I expect the rPi's 3.3V to be able to drive a parallel
port [perhaps 4?5 bits wide].

Another interesting observation, is that no one will reply to my
query "if scratch/squeak CAN write scenarios/action-sequences,
which will demonstrate the alternate/[IFThenElse] and looping
constructs?". I haven't got access to a running rPi lately.

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#1696

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:34:56 +0100, Theo Markettos wrote:

> In comp.sys.raspberry-pi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK, thanks. Where's the spec for this GPIO. It'll obviously be simpler
>> than the GPIB, which is better. BTW Ohm's law is also ancient.
> 
> 'GPIO' is general purpose I/O.  It's not a specific interface, there is
> no standard, it's whatever the manufacturer feels like.  That's why it's
> general purpose!  Here's the Pi version:
> 
> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
> 
> Theo
OK, thanks. I expect it to be like the old 8-bit uProc-ports.
That's why I mentioned `plip`.
Memories of connecting 2 PC via 'nul-modem-cable' [very simple], wrongly
led me to think I could do the same for rPi. But some of the PLENTY 
on-line docos point out that rPi's ports are 3.3V.
IMO 3.3V would drive par-ports on PCs.

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#1700

In article <kjjfae$avs$1@dont-email.me>, dog@gmail.com says...
> 
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:23:34 +0100, Dave Higton wrote:
> 
> > In message <kjgf3d$f1b$1@dont-email.me>
> 
> >> > > It has however a GPIO port [?IEE488]. A driver for RS232 would be
> >> > > easy to drive the GPIO port. I think plip is even simpler, and
> >> > > there's linux info for it.
> >> 
> >> It's IEEE488
> > 
> > What?
> > 
> > The Raspberry Pi has some GPIO (General Purpose Input/Output) lines.
> > IEEE-488 is the officially standardised version of the ancient GPIB, the
> > General Purpose Interface Bus, which is an entirely different thing, one
> > you're very unlikely to need.
> > 
> > Dave
> 
> OK, thanks. Where's the spec for this GPIO.
> It'll obviously be simpler than the GPIB, which is better.

GPIB cabling termination and software control, let alone controller is
EXPENSIVE, most cables are more expensive than a Pi.

Remembers first seeing GPIB in late 1970's

> BTW Ohm's law is also ancient.

So is Newtonian physics and Pythogarus theorum, but that is basics not
a specific application in a manner few people use except mainly ATE.

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