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Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut

From Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.hardware, comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut
Date 2013-04-06 20:23 -0400
Organization National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Message-ID <alpine.LNX.2.02.1304062015410.5874@darkstar.example.org> (permalink)
References (4 earlier) <W8y*aY3vu@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> <alpine.LNX.2.02.1304042116220.1608@darkstar.example.org> <kjp3pd$k65$1@speranza.aioe.org> <5k60m8h413hq0s097fto0ll2jlh96mlehr@4ax.com> <uf8v4v5sji.fsf@brushtail.apana.org.au>

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Chris Baird wrote:

>
> > (from comp.sys.raspberry-pi) It depends on how evangelical you are
> > feeling. If the group is only for the cognoscenti then you don't need
> > much.
>
> > If on the other hand, you are trying to encourage people like
> > me (I only know about the Pi from what I've read in TheRegister)
>
> I'm actually hoping a Usenet group /would/ be something off-road from
> the existing RPi world.. The reason the webforums suck so much is
> they're full of hopeless mouthbreathers-- "hAY gUISE! eVEN tHOUGH tHE
> rASPBERRY pIE hAS bEEN sPAMMED aCROSS tHE bLOGOSPHERE aND tECHNEWS
> sIGHTS cONSTANTLY fOR tHE lAST tWO yEARS, i'VE oNLY jUST hEARD oF tHEM!!
> ... i'M 52, aND i wAnt tO gET iNTO cOMPUTERS!"
>
> Another thing that sucks about webforums is the heavy censorship on
> negative opinions, such as pointlessly expensive shit like the Gertboard
> and other ManToys that don't even try to hide the cost that totally
> excludes them from the Foundation's supposed charter of getting
> teenagers into self-directed programming. (/SMD/ soldering?)
>
You mean, like the "starter kit" from "Make" that's only $129.99, and 
gives you all you need to get started, a book, an SD card, some cables, an 
AC adapter, a case, a breakout box, and actual Pi?  There's no sense 
having a $35 board if you are in effect telling people they can't get 
started without all this other junk.  It's actually making a statement,
and one which goes completely against the concept of a $25 or $35 board,
and it really is about profit, not "being helpful".

Wait for an SD card to go on sale in one of the flyers, dig around in the 
garbage until you find a suitable AC adapter, or run it off some scrapped 
power supply from a computer or something else, wait to find a desired 
cables at a garage sale, or go to a dollar store. Be actually helpful so 
the kid can make do with what he can find or scrounge, having spent all 
his allowance on the Raspberry Pi board.


> > I subscribed to the new group, not because I know about the Pi but
> > because I want to know about it. Don't think of me as a beginner, I'm
> > a pre-beginner, really.
>
> "Hay Guise! I'll give you lots of Internet backpats for putting up with
> my questions filling the newsgroup that I could've solved in seconds if
> I cared to use Google, but I'm a social person, and I wanna Interact
> Over Internets~~"
>
It's the new internet, everyone is supposed to have a place, so we dumb 
things down, like that $129.99 "starter kit" that means people can enter 
without any effort (except spending money).

In some circles, that's exactly what the Pi is being used for, not to 
"hack" (ie learning through experience) but buying off the shelf to 
replicate what someone else has done.  For a lot of things, the Pi will be 
overkill, but since it's cheap people will use it for mundane things where 
a simple logic IC might do the job, for virtually nothing, except that 
requires soldering skill and learning.

   Michael

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  Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-02 15:12 +0000
    Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-04-03 05:35 +0000
      Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-03 12:04 +0000
        Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-03 17:56 +0000
          Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2013-04-03 18:11 +0000
          Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-03 20:28 +0000
            Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-03 23:27 -0400
              Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-03 21:35 -0700
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2013-04-04 20:15 +0000
              Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-04-04 08:36 -0400
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                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-05 07:53 +0000
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-05 15:50 +0000
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-05 09:17 -0700
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-05 18:38 +0000
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-05 19:57 +0100
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi "Nick B." <nick@replytoisnot.invalid> - 2013-04-05 22:12 +0000
                Re: Kernel console output on the serial port for headless rPi J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-05 21:24 +0000
  Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-02 13:43 -0400
    Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-04-03 05:35 +0000
      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-02 23:02 -0700
        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-04 06:41 +0000
          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-04-04 11:53 +0000
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2013-04-04 08:20 -0700
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-04-04 11:08 -0500
              Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-04 09:45 -0700
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-04 13:43 -0400
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-04-04 14:43 -0500
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-04 13:43 -0700
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-04-04 16:28 -0500
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-04-04 16:03 -0700
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-04 21:15 -0400
      Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2013-04-03 21:23 +0100
        Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-04 08:57 +0000
          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2013-04-04 22:34 +0100
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-04 21:17 -0400
              Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2013-04-06 13:17 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Nick Odell <gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> - 2013-04-06 14:01 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2013-04-06 15:42 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2013-04-06 15:31 +0000
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-06 11:51 -0400
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-06 17:08 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2013-04-06 17:27 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-04-06 18:28 +0200
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-04-06 19:54 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2013-04-06 17:07 +0000
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2013-04-06 18:54 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Chris Baird <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> - 2013-04-07 06:10 +1000
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2013-04-06 22:11 +0100
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Chris Baird <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> - 2013-04-07 18:01 +1000
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-04-06 20:23 -0400
                Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-07 16:42 +0000
            Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-04-05 06:18 +0000
          Re: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2013-04-05 13:38 +0100

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