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  Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 15:53 -0400
    Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 16:03 -0400
    Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-03-28 20:37 +0000
      Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 16:47 -0400
        Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 00:47 +0000
          Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 21:32 -0400
            Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 11:42 +0000
              Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-29 08:06 -0400
                Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 23:47 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-30 07:14 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-01 10:00 +0000
              Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 13:15 -0400
      Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 06:14 +0000
        Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-29 15:13 +0000
          Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 23:49 +0000
            Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-30 02:31 +0000
              Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-30 06:51 +0000
            Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-30 07:15 -0400
    Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 06:12 +0000
      Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-29 07:54 -0400
        Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-30 07:00 +0000
          Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-30 07:22 -0400
            Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 06:10 +0000
              Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-31 09:17 -0400
                Re: Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 05:38 +0000

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#688316 — Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account

... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.

It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway. 
Linux will be the last remaining option.

<https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688318

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

>... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>
>It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway. 
>Linux will be the last remaining option.
>
><https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>


Wintendo.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688321

On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
> 
> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
> Linux will be the last remaining option.
> 
> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>

As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 

Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
option.

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#688326

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59?PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>> 
>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>> 
>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>
>As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
>Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 
>
>Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
>option.


I really love how *this* is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
computing soul to M$.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688335

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
On 2025-03-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59?PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>>> 
>>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>>> 
>>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>>
>>As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
>>Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 
>>
>>Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
>>option.
>
>
> I really love how *this* is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
> computing soul to M$.
>

Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
paradigm though, which is why it stands out.

The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.

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#688338

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
>> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
>> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
>> computing soul to M$.
>
>Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
>helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
>privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
>clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
>what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
>systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
>paradigm though, which is why it stands out.
>
>The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
>online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.


I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
to bear.

* I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688362

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
On 2025-03-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
>>> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
>>> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
>>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
>>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
>>> computing soul to M$.
>>
>>Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
>>helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
>>privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
>>clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
>>what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
>>systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
>>paradigm though, which is why it stands out.
>>
>>The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
>>online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.
>
>
> I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
> PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
> utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
> to bear.
>
> * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.
>

What advantages does the MS account offer?  I have one for email, but
thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days.  In fact, I used Hotmail
when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.

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#688370

On 2025-03-29 7:42 a.m., Borax Man wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
> On 2025-03-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
>>>> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
>>>> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
>>>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
>>>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
>>>> computing soul to M$.
>>>
>>> Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
>>> helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
>>> privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
>>> clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
>>> what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
>>> systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
>>> paradigm though, which is why it stands out.
>>>
>>> The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
>>> online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.
>>
>>
>> I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
>> PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
>> utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
>> to bear.
>>
>> * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.
>>
> 
> What advantages does the MS account offer?  I have one for email, but
> thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days.  In fact, I used Hotmail
> when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.

1) Synchronization of content saved to OneDrive across all devices.
2) (Theoretically) unlimited storage for e-mail.
3) Synchronization of your calendar across every device connected 
through your Microsoft account.
4) Free content creation (fifteen images a day) on Microsoft Designer.
5) Free use of basic Microsoft Office applications on office.com.

I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that come to mind right now.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688401

On 2025-03-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-29 7:42 a.m., Borax Man wrote:
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>> On 2025-03-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
>>>>> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
>>>>> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
>>>>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
>>>>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
>>>>> computing soul to M$.
>>>>
>>>> Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
>>>> helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
>>>> privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
>>>> clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
>>>> what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
>>>> systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
>>>> paradigm though, which is why it stands out.
>>>>
>>>> The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
>>>> online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
>>> PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
>>> utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
>>> to bear.
>>>
>>> * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.
>>>
>> 
>> What advantages does the MS account offer?  I have one for email, but
>> thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days.  In fact, I used Hotmail
>> when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.
>
> 1) Synchronization of content saved to OneDrive across all devices.
> 2) (Theoretically) unlimited storage for e-mail.
> 3) Synchronization of your calendar across every device connected 
> through your Microsoft account.
> 4) Free content creation (fifteen images a day) on Microsoft Designer.
> 5) Free use of basic Microsoft Office applications on office.com.
>
> I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that come to mind right now.
>

These may be useful, but I don't see why one would need to use an
account to INSTALL Windows.  If one wants to use these features, simply
enable them in Windows, if not, don't sign up.  IT could even be an
installation open, asking the user whether they want to sign up for
these features.  But making it difficult to sign up seems to be the thin
edge of the "OS as a service" future MS may be trying to push through.

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#688429

On 2025-03-29 7:47 p.m., Borax Man wrote:
> On 2025-03-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-29 7:42 a.m., Borax Man wrote:
>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>> On 2025-03-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
>>>>>> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
>>>>>> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
>>>>>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
>>>>>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
>>>>>> computing soul to M$.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
>>>>> helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
>>>>> privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
>>>>> clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
>>>>> what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
>>>>> systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
>>>>> paradigm though, which is why it stands out.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
>>>>> online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
>>>> PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
>>>> utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
>>>> to bear.
>>>>
>>>> * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What advantages does the MS account offer?  I have one for email, but
>>> thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days.  In fact, I used Hotmail
>>> when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.
>>
>> 1) Synchronization of content saved to OneDrive across all devices.
>> 2) (Theoretically) unlimited storage for e-mail.
>> 3) Synchronization of your calendar across every device connected
>> through your Microsoft account.
>> 4) Free content creation (fifteen images a day) on Microsoft Designer.
>> 5) Free use of basic Microsoft Office applications on office.com.
>>
>> I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that come to mind right now.
>>
> 
> These may be useful, but I don't see why one would need to use an
> account to INSTALL Windows.  If one wants to use these features, simply
> enable them in Windows, if not, don't sign up.  IT could even be an
> installation open, asking the user whether they want to sign up for
> these features.  But making it difficult to sign up seems to be the thin
> edge of the "OS as a service" future MS may be trying to push through.

I agree. However, a lot of these features are a response to Apple 
offering them to buyers of their computers. A lot of them have privacy 
implications, but having access to basic versions of Office is a 
necessity when you're looking at your competition and it's bundling its 
own office suite with the purchase of a computer.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688543

On 2025-03-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-29 7:47 p.m., Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2025-03-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-29 7:42 a.m., Borax Man wrote:
>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>> On 2025-03-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
>>>>>>> online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
>>>>>>> bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind
>>>>>>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time.
>>>>>>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
>>>>>>> computing soul to M$.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back.  I was
>>>>>> helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
>>>>>> privacy intrusions and the like.  But an online account, that is a very
>>>>>> clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore.  The rest of
>>>>>> what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
>>>>>> systems for years.  Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
>>>>>> paradigm though, which is why it stands out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an
>>>>>> online account, it is a REAL pain to do so.  Quite difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
>>>>> PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
>>>>> utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
>>>>> to bear.
>>>>>
>>>>> * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What advantages does the MS account offer?  I have one for email, but
>>>> thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days.  In fact, I used Hotmail
>>>> when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.
>>>
>>> 1) Synchronization of content saved to OneDrive across all devices.
>>> 2) (Theoretically) unlimited storage for e-mail.
>>> 3) Synchronization of your calendar across every device connected
>>> through your Microsoft account.
>>> 4) Free content creation (fifteen images a day) on Microsoft Designer.
>>> 5) Free use of basic Microsoft Office applications on office.com.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that come to mind right now.
>>>
>> 
>> These may be useful, but I don't see why one would need to use an
>> account to INSTALL Windows.  If one wants to use these features, simply
>> enable them in Windows, if not, don't sign up.  IT could even be an
>> installation open, asking the user whether they want to sign up for
>> these features.  But making it difficult to sign up seems to be the thin
>> edge of the "OS as a service" future MS may be trying to push through.
>
> I agree. However, a lot of these features are a response to Apple 
> offering them to buyers of their computers. A lot of them have privacy 
> implications, but having access to basic versions of Office is a 
> necessity when you're looking at your competition and it's bundling its 
> own office suite with the purchase of a computer.
>

I don't really buy this.  Microsoft could very easily advertise these
features during install, make them opt in, make it clear why you are
setting up the account and what it gives you.  Instead, it just demands
it, and says little else.

This is more about control.

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#688377

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this
>> PC.  It was a feature.  Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
>> utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted
>> to bear.
>>
>> * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.
>
>What advantages does the MS account offer?  I have one for email, but
>thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days.  In fact, I used Hotmail
>when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.


I wanted the features that logging in with an MS account enables.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688348

On 2025-03-28, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>> 
>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>> 
>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>
> As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
> Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 
>
> Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
> option.

But doesn't Windows have to be installed to restore this option? Is this a 
Catch-22 situation?

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#688373

On 2025-03-29, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-03-28, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>>> 
>>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>>> 
>>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>>
>> As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
>> Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 
>>
>> Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
>> option.
>
> But doesn't Windows have to be installed to restore this option? Is this a 
> Catch-22 situation?

I just ran into this problem with a relative's brand new laptop that had Windows 11 home
on it.
Out of the box when you kick off the install you ultimately reach a screen where
it's asks for your Microsoft account but unlike the professional version there
is no choice to set up a local account.

A little Google work and I found a solution that still works as Microsoft
has disabled most of the older ones. 

The workaround is to open a command prompt and enter a command or two and
voila a local account option is set and the install can be continued.

A real PITA and since there is so much outdated/wrong information on the
net it takes time to find the one that will work ATM.  



-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#688403

On 2025-03-29, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> On 2025-03-29, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-28, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>> On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>>>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>>>
>>> As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
>>> Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 
>>>
>>> Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
>>> option.
>>
>> But doesn't Windows have to be installed to restore this option? Is this a 
>> Catch-22 situation?
>
> I just ran into this problem with a relative's brand new laptop that had Windows 11 home
> on it.
> Out of the box when you kick off the install you ultimately reach a screen where
> it's asks for your Microsoft account but unlike the professional version there
> is no choice to set up a local account.
>
> A little Google work and I found a solution that still works as Microsoft
> has disabled most of the older ones. 
>
> The workaround is to open a command prompt and enter a command or two and
> voila a local account option is set and the install can be continued.
>
> A real PITA and since there is so much outdated/wrong information on the
> net it takes time to find the one that will work ATM.  
>
>
>

I found this too.  I had to use some "hacks" to get around it.
Microsoft is basically forcing their accounts, whether you want it or
not.  Because it is doing this at the OS installation level (you can't
install without an account), they're ensnaring users.

Reason # 9393 to hate Microsoft...

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#688412

On 2025-03-29, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-03-29, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-29, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-28, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDThttps://nypost.com/2025/03/27/real-estate/l-a-approves-4-permits-to-rebuild-in-pacific-palisades-after-fires/, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>>>>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>>>>
>>>> As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
>>>> Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down". 
>>>>
>>>> Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
>>>> option.
>>>
>>> But doesn't Windows have to be installed to restore this option? Is this a 
>>> Catch-22 situation?
>>
>> I just ran into this problem with a relative's brand new laptop that had Windows 11 home
>> on it.
>> Out of the box when you kick off the install you ultimately reach a screen where
>> it's asks for your Microsoft account but unlike the professional version there
>> is no choice to set up a local account.
>>
>> A little Google work and I found a solution that still works as Microsoft
>> has disabled most of the older ones. 
>>
>> The workaround is to open a command prompt and enter a command or two and
>> voila a local account option is set and the install can be continued.
>>
>> A real PITA and since there is so much outdated/wrong information on the
>> net it takes time to find the one that will work ATM.  
>>
>>
>>
>
> I found this too.  I had to use some "hacks" to get around it.
> Microsoft is basically forcing their accounts, whether you want it or
> not.  Because it is doing this at the OS installation level (you can't
> install without an account), they're ensnaring users.
>
> Reason # 9393 to hate Microsoft...

Agreed.
They push the so called advantages of having a Microsoft account, mostly
syncing data between multiple machines, but that kind of stuff is
available from other companies as well.
This kind of stuff is much too intrusive for me.



-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#688423

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 02:31:27 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

> They push the so called advantages of having a Microsoft account, mostly
> syncing data between multiple machines, but that kind of stuff is
> available from other companies as well.
> This kind of stuff is much too intrusive for me.

I have the corporate OneDrive at work which has more storage available 
than the consumer version and it is handy since I do work on multiple 
Windows boxes. I never set it up on my personal laptop. It's my only 
Windows box so there is nothing to sync to.

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#688430

On 2025-03-29 7:49 p.m., Borax Man wrote:
> On 2025-03-29, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-29, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-28, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>>>>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
>>>>
>>>> As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise
>>>> Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down".
>>>>
>>>> Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this
>>>> option.
>>>
>>> But doesn't Windows have to be installed to restore this option? Is this a
>>> Catch-22 situation?
>>
>> I just ran into this problem with a relative's brand new laptop that had Windows 11 home
>> on it.
>> Out of the box when you kick off the install you ultimately reach a screen where
>> it's asks for your Microsoft account but unlike the professional version there
>> is no choice to set up a local account.
>>
>> A little Google work and I found a solution that still works as Microsoft
>> has disabled most of the older ones.
>>
>> The workaround is to open a command prompt and enter a command or two and
>> voila a local account option is set and the install can be continued.
>>
>> A real PITA and since there is so much outdated/wrong information on the
>> net it takes time to find the one that will work ATM.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I found this too.  I had to use some "hacks" to get around it.
> Microsoft is basically forcing their accounts, whether you want it or
> not.  Because it is doing this at the OS installation level (you can't
> install without an account), they're ensnaring users.
> 
> Reason # 9393 to hate Microsoft...

I imagine that the main reason is because they want people's data to be 
on their servers. I imagine that the other is because they want to use 
that data, as well as data on their use of applications like Edge, to 
monetize the users who otherwise don't pay for the operating system.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688347

On 2025-03-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>
> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway. 
> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>
><https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>

The final reason to not install Windows on any partition at all. Zero 
interest in a Microsoft account and about the only time I boot into Windows 
(already) is to update it. So, basically, if you don't have a connection to 
the Internet you can't install Windows. Another win for Linux. 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#688364

On 2025-03-29 2:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.
>>
>> It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
>> Linux will be the last remaining option.
>>
>> <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
> 
> The final reason to not install Windows on any partition at all. Zero
> interest in a Microsoft account and about the only time I boot into Windows
> (already) is to update it. So, basically, if you don't have a connection to
> the Internet you can't install Windows. Another win for Linux.

The concept of non-local accounts is actually unnatural to a lot of 
people who aren't too familiar with the way computers work. As I was 
doing the tech meeting for my school board a few weeks ago (I'm one of 
two tech representatives for my school), I noticed that a few teachers 
were complaining that Windows automatically displayed personal photos to 
the students (since the computer is connected to a projector in class) 
whenever the machine would go to sleep. I replied that it might not be a 
good idea to put personal content on the OneDrive account. They had no 
idea what I was referring to. Then, another teacher complained that they 
had taken a screenshot on one computer and that the screenshot was then 
available on another. They thought it was hacking or something. I had to 
inform them that logging into Windows is done through a Microsoft 
account, in this case the one tied to the school board. If they take a 
screenshot or add any content to their personal folders, those folders 
are synchronized with the web and then back to whatever computer they 
use on which they use their Microsoft account. I also informed them that 
this was a _feature_, same as it on Macs that do the same thing, and 
that they actively have to disable it. I then explained how they could 
do so.

I'm rambling, but it shows how people expect content to remain on the 
computer it was created or saved. The content of synchronization across 
devices, for better or for worse, doesn't seem right. Obviously, it has 
lots of benefits because it is available to you wherever you are and 
whatever device you use. However, it also means that Microsoft (or 
Google or Apple) has access to that content as well. At best, they will 
store it on their servers and not bother you; at worst, they will scan 
your content for politically correct wording and edit it for you or call 
the authorities because a cute photo you took of your naked one-year-old 
is believed to be child pornography. There used to be an option to opt 
out at installation, not anymore. You can opt out from within the system 
later on, but finding the option to do so might be a lot more 
complicated than you expected.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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