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  How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-27 19:49 +0000
    Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 16:01 -0400
    Re: How To Improve This Group vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 20:23 +0000
      Re: How To Improve This Group pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:45 +0000
      Re: How To Improve This Group Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-28 11:30 -0400
    Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 19:00 +0000
      Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-09 20:55 +0000
        Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 23:40 +0000
          Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 19:47 -0400
          Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-09 20:02 -0400
            Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-10 12:58 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 09:02 -0400
              Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-10 09:48 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> - 2025-04-10 14:01 +0000
                  Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 10:04 -0400
                    Re: How To Improve This Group rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> - 2025-04-10 16:36 +0000
                  Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-10 10:13 -0400
                    Re: How To Improve This Group rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> - 2025-04-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 07:02 +0000
                  Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 03:06 -0400
                  Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:49 -0400
                    Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 13:44 +0000
                      Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 11:22 -0400
                        Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:40 +0000
                          Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 19:30 -0400
                            Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-12 02:59 +0000
                              Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 08:00 -0400
                        Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 06:40 +0000
                          Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 08:55 -0400
                            Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 23:06 +0000
                              Re: How To Improve This Group vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-13 00:38 +0000
                              Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-13 08:47 -0400
            Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-10 18:00 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:42 -0400
          Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-10 11:08 +0000
            Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-10 13:03 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-10 20:06 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 07:10 +0000
                  Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:50 -0400
                    Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 12:58 +0000
                      Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 09:18 -0400
                      Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-11 15:16 +0000
                      Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:46 +0000
                      Re: How To Improve This Group Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-12 09:41 +0000
                        Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 10:17 +0000
                          Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 09:02 -0400
                            Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 22:58 +0000
                              Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-13 08:44 -0400
                                Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-13 19:15 +0000
                                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-14 11:52 +0000
                  Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:42 +0000
                    Re: How To Improve This Group bill_wilson <bill_w@aol.com> - 2025-04-11 14:34 -0400
                      Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 14:38 -0400
                        Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 11:41 -0700
                          Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 14:51 -0400
                            Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 12:12 -0700
                      Re: How To Improve This Group Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-11 20:47 +0000
            Re: How To Improve This Group Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-12 09:34 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-12 19:58 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-12 13:07 -0700

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#688249 — How To Improve This Group

How can we improve this group?

First, get rid of that nonentity "Joel."  This idiot
is a total, unequivocal ZERO.

Second, get rid of that "Crude Sausage."  This loser,
amazingly, is both a "boorish bore" and a "boring boor." 
Whew!  What a degenerate!

Third, promote C.O.L.A. on "social media" to attract more
knowledgeable and enthusiatic people.

Get going!

Must I use a horse whip?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!


-- 
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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#688251

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

>How can we improve this group?
>
>First, get rid of that nonentity "Joel."  This idiot
>is a total, unequivocal ZERO.


No, dumbshit, YOU are the "zero", with your retarded caseless Gentoo/
LFS lousy system.  You need to get a damn clue.


>Second, get rid of that "Crude Sausage."  This loser,
>amazingly, is both a "boorish bore" and a "boring boor." 
>Whew!  What a degenerate!


He's better than you.


>Third, promote C.O.L.A. on "social media" to attract more
>knowledgeable and enthusiatic people.
>
>Get going!
>
>Must I use a horse whip?
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!


Good luck ...

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688253

On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 19:49:29 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
<pan$790a1$48e9af87$bea83f88$c410c059@linux.rocks>:

> Must I use a horse whip?

I did not know that you identified as a horse.

Good to know.

> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "How long will a floating point operation float?"

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#688267

On 2025-03-27, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 19:49:29 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
><pan$790a1$48e9af87$bea83f88$c410c059@linux.rocks>:
>
>> Must I use a horse whip?
>
> I did not know that you identified as a horse.
>
> Good to know.
>
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
ROTFLMAO ! 


-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#688306

vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 19:49:29 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
> <pan$790a1$48e9af87$bea83f88$c410c059@linux.rocks>:
>
>> Must I use a horse whip?
>
> I did not know that you identified as a horse.

Reminds me of a Groucho Marx quip:

    "He should be horse-whipped! And if I had a horse I'd do it!"

> Good to know.

-- 
A violent man will die a violent death.
		-- Lao Tsu

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#688810

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 19:49 this Thursday (GMT):
> How can we improve this group?
>
> First, get rid of that nonentity "Joel."  This idiot
> is a total, unequivocal ZERO.
>
> Second, get rid of that "Crude Sausage."  This loser,
> amazingly, is both a "boorish bore" and a "boring boor." 
> Whew!  What a degenerate!
>
> Third, promote C.O.L.A. on "social media" to attract more
> knowledgeable and enthusiatic people.
>
> Get going!
>
> Must I use a horse whip?
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!


Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#688815

On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> 
> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>

Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
goes back to at least 1975.

I am sick of these assholes who denigrate a medium simply because
it's origin goes back a few decades.

Communication protocols don't have "best buy" dates.  They are
valid forever.

I am reminded of the Micro$oft strategy that tried to discredit
Linux because it was based upon Unix which is an "ancient" OS.

Fuck Micro$soft and fuck YOU.

Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
is for more people to start using it -- again.

The case is closed.





-- 
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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#688820

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> 
>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>
>
> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
> goes back to at least 1975.

Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.

> I am sick of these assholes who denigrate a medium simply because
> it's origin goes back a few decades.
>
> Communication protocols don't have "best buy" dates.  They are
> valid forever.

I agree, but the whole "brand new shiny tech" pull is a very strong pull
for some.

> I am reminded of the Micro$oft strategy that tried to discredit
> Linux because it was based upon Unix which is an "ancient" OS.
>
> Fuck Micro$soft and fuck YOU.

sorry

> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>
> The case is closed.


I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
"precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#688822

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>
>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>> goes back to at least 1975.
>
>Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.


My email addresses are M$ and Google, I have both set up in
Thunderbird, it's not bad.  In Win11, I used the free Outlook they
were promoting, which was pretty good.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688823

On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>
>>
>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>> goes back to at least 1975.
> 
> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.

I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If 
my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it 
incredibly inconvenient.

< snip >

>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>
>> The case is closed.
> 
> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.

Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on 
there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people 
three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are 
doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently 
isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a 
proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.

To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds 
of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with 
sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid, 
superficial cretins on modern social media.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688837

On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>>> goes back to at least 1975.
>> 
>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.
>
> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If 
> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it 
> incredibly inconvenient.
>
>< snip >
>
>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>>
>>> The case is closed.
>> 
>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
>
> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on 
> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people 
> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are 
> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently 
> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a 
> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>
> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds 
> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with 
> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid, 
> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>

IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).

I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
back.  There are no good mobile clients...

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#688839

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on 
>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people 
>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are 
>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently 
>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a 
>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>>
>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds 
>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with 
>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid, 
>> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>
>IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
>messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
>of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
>client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
>what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
>
>I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
>want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
>back.  There are no good mobile clients...


https://www.irccloud.com/

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688841

On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>>>> goes back to at least 1975.
>>>
>>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.
>>
>> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If
>> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it
>> incredibly inconvenient.
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>>>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>>>
>>>> The case is closed.
>>>
>>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
>>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
>>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
>>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
>>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
>>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
>>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
>>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
>>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
>>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
>>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
>>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
>>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
>>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
>>
>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on
>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people
>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are
>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently
>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a
>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>>
>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds
>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with
>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid,
>> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>>
> 
> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
> messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
> of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
> client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
> what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
> 
> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
> want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
> back.  There are no good mobile clients...

Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to 
be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in 
favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I 
wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a 
bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688843

On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>>>>> goes back to at least 1975.
>>>>
>>>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.
>>>
>>> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If
>>> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it
>>> incredibly inconvenient.
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>>>>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case is closed.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
>>>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
>>>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
>>>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
>>>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
>>>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
>>>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
>>>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
>>>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
>>>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
>>>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
>>>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
>>>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
>>>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
>>>
>>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on
>>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people
>>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are
>>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently
>>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a
>>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>>>
>>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds
>>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with
>>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid,
>>> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>>>
>> 
>> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
>> messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
>> of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
>> client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
>> what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
>> 
>> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
>> want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
>> back.  There are no good mobile clients...
>
> Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to 
> be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in 
> favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I 
> wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a 
> bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship.
>

+1 and the worse part of Discord is closed source, they mine your data,
they sell your data, you need a phone number to subscribe in many cases
and the list goes on and on ... see any privacy forum and you will see.
there are other options:
- Revolt.chat  Is open source self hosted or you can use the developers
  official host, is a discord clone with out the privacy issues.
- Matrix Spaces (not matrix but Matrix Spaces) the best with e2ee
  encryption, voice/video chat(in beta the old one is not that great)
- of course good old IRC.

Happy Hacking 

ReK2

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#688844

rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> wrote:

>+1 and the worse part of Discord is closed source, they mine your data,
>they sell your data, you need a phone number to subscribe in many cases
>and the list goes on and on ... see any privacy forum and you will see.
>there are other options:
>- Revolt.chat  Is open source self hosted or you can use the developers
>  official host, is a discord clone with out the privacy issues.
>- Matrix Spaces (not matrix but Matrix Spaces) the best with e2ee
>  encryption, voice/video chat(in beta the old one is not that great)
>- of course good old IRC.
>
>Happy Hacking 
>
>ReK2


You are clearly living in the underground Internet, I live above
ground, with Linux as if it was Winblows, better than the real thing.
It's fun.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688848

On 2025-04-10, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>+1 and the worse part of Discord is closed source, they mine your data,
>>they sell your data, you need a phone number to subscribe in many cases
>>and the list goes on and on ... see any privacy forum and you will see.
>>there are other options:
>>- Revolt.chat  Is open source self hosted or you can use the developers
>>  official host, is a discord clone with out the privacy issues.
>>- Matrix Spaces (not matrix but Matrix Spaces) the best with e2ee
>>  encryption, voice/video chat(in beta the old one is not that great)
>>- of course good old IRC.
>>
>>Happy Hacking 
>>
>>ReK2
>
>
> You are clearly living in the underground Internet, I live above
> ground, with Linux as if it was Winblows, better than the real thing.
> It's fun.
>

I do not think is an option between above or underground but between,
open/decentralized vs closed/abusived/paywalls/centralized  the internet
is all above ground, is not that I'm suggesting to use TOR/i2p etc that
I can see how people can say is "underground" ;), 7 years a go people
will said the same about mastodon and the fediverse and there are
millions of people using it, yes like usenet is not a company so they
not going to bomb you with marketing, paid news on mass media, and paid
deviced/people using it on movies(yes apple and microsoft do pay movies
to show their stuff) etc but as usenet is having a comeback the internet
is changing back to normal(decentralized) yes of course you can not
expect the people that are not tech and use their phone(not an actual
real computer with a keyboard) to actually have any interest on
non-discord options but you will be surprised how fast things change
sometimes, when discord block russians 8 months a go or so revolt.chat
had a influx of thousands of users (not just russians, is because the
russians and their guild mates non-russians) all were forced to find
alternatives and revolt.chat is the best option for an open platform for
gamers. I myself prefer usenet/lemmy/forums but I do admit we have our
collective on Matrix spaces so we can watch movies/documentaries
together and I can help new people coming into computer security etc
live with out having to use discord/facechat/zoom and all those evil
platforms, and you will be surprised when people have an intereset how
they will actually install "element"(is the easiest one for them) to
join us to learn offensive security etc, and then they stay because they
like the platforms but I guess you are right people will not use this
"underground" since you called this way, platforms with out a good
motive first... heck Im happy that usenet is having a comeback can't
complaint, we got rid of google now we just need less trolls :D :D 

PD: sorry for my English. 

Best regards
Happy Hacking
ReK2

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#688846

On 2025-04-10 10:01, rek2 hispagatos wrote:
> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>>>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>>>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>>>>>> goes back to at least 1975.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.
>>>>
>>>> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If
>>>> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it
>>>> incredibly inconvenient.
>>>>
>>>> < snip >
>>>>
>>>>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>>>>>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case is closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
>>>>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
>>>>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
>>>>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
>>>>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
>>>>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
>>>>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
>>>>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
>>>>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
>>>>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
>>>>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
>>>>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
>>>>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
>>>>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on
>>>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people
>>>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are
>>>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently
>>>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a
>>>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds
>>>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with
>>>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid,
>>>> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>>>>
>>>
>>> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
>>> messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
>>> of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
>>> client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
>>> what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
>>>
>>> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
>>> want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
>>> back.  There are no good mobile clients...
>>
>> Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to
>> be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in
>> favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I
>> wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a
>> bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship.
>>
> 
> +1 and the worse part of Discord is closed source, they mine your data,
> they sell your data, you need a phone number to subscribe in many cases
> and the list goes on and on ... see any privacy forum and you will see.
> there are other options:
> - Revolt.chat  Is open source self hosted or you can use the developers
>    official host, is a discord clone with out the privacy issues.
> - Matrix Spaces (not matrix but Matrix Spaces) the best with e2ee
>    encryption, voice/video chat(in beta the old one is not that great)
> - of course good old IRC.
> 
> Happy Hacking
> 
> ReK2

Thanks for the recommendations, and I might go back to chatting one day. 
However, my desire to talk to people live has died. I much prefer forums 
like this one.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688847

>> 
>> +1 and the worse part of Discord is closed source, they mine your data,
>> they sell your data, you need a phone number to subscribe in many cases
>> and the list goes on and on ... see any privacy forum and you will see.
>> there are other options:
>> - Revolt.chat  Is open source self hosted or you can use the developers
>>    official host, is a discord clone with out the privacy issues.
>> - Matrix Spaces (not matrix but Matrix Spaces) the best with e2ee
>>    encryption, voice/video chat(in beta the old one is not that great)
>> - of course good old IRC.
>> 
>> Happy Hacking
>> 
>> ReK2
>
> Thanks for the recommendations, and I might go back to chatting one day. 
> However, my desire to talk to people live has died. I much prefer forums 
> like this one.


Me to, is why I came back to usenet around 2 years and go and with me I
have bring arouned 40-50 people by word of mouth, etc. 

Happy Hacking 
ReK2

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#688864

On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>>>>> goes back to at least 1975.
>>>>
>>>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.
>>>
>>> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If
>>> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it
>>> incredibly inconvenient.
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>>>>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case is closed.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
>>>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
>>>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
>>>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
>>>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
>>>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
>>>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
>>>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
>>>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
>>>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
>>>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
>>>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
>>>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
>>>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
>>>
>>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on
>>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people
>>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are
>>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently
>>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a
>>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>>>
>>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds
>>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with
>>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid,
>>> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>>>
>> 
>> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
>> messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
>> of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
>> client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
>> what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
>> 
>> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
>> want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
>> back.  There are no good mobile clients...
>
> Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to 
> be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in 
> favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I 
> wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a 
> bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship.
>

People use their phones a lot for chat. Some chat places I hang out on,
I'd say MOST are on their phone.  Someone younger asked me how I
responded with lng replies so quickly, and I said I was using my laptop.
They thought I was *WEIRD*!  It wasn't IRC, but still, the point is
people just pull out their phones and use that, rather than a keyboard.
The phone is "just there".  I think its a devolution, a backwards step
in communication, but thats what is happening.

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#688866

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote:
>>> 
>>> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
>>> messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
>>> of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
>>> client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
>>> what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
>>> 
>>> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
>>> want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
>>> back.  There are no good mobile clients...
>>
>> Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to 
>> be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in 
>> favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I 
>> wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a 
>> bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship.
>
>People use their phones a lot for chat. Some chat places I hang out on,
>I'd say MOST are on their phone.  Someone younger asked me how I
>responded with lng replies so quickly, and I said I was using my laptop.
>They thought I was *WEIRD*!  It wasn't IRC, but still, the point is
>people just pull out their phones and use that, rather than a keyboard.
>The phone is "just there".  I think its a devolution, a backwards step
>in communication, but thats what is happening.


I use my phone for IRC and other chat apps, it's not as easy as the
computer, but it's in my pocket, not only at home.  With IRCCloud, you
have seamless switching between devices, and some great features that
ZNC or whatever wouldn't as readily provide.  I embrace modern, but
then again I'm not Larry's retarded ass.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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